Rachel Maddow on Meet The Press - Sums up Obama's legacy on health care effort

[wundermaus]

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[Buzz Clik]

1. His legacy? How much bullshit is in that single phrase?

Is the health care debate over? Has the bill been passed?

Can one establish a legacy based on something in the future?

The hysteria at DU is immeasurable.

[valerief]

10. LOL!

:rofl:

[bluethruandthru]

2. That's the truth!

Is Obama really going to spend all this policital capital on a plan that does next to nothing to help people, save money, or change much of anything?

[dbmk]

9. But it does not sum up anything

It predicts on a given outcome given a certain result.

It will only be the truth IF there is no public option. As post #1 said: There is no legacy to sum up on yet. And that is not what Rachel Maddow was doing there either.

[scentopine]

3. She is right about this and brave for saying it. Dem leadership cowardly.

[Ninga]

4. Answer me this, DU sages. Why are there noises coming from the WH saying

that a compromise will be fashioned and that the public option will not be included?

How does this serve the debate?

What will be achieved? And who is better served?

[Overseas]

21. I'm hoping the Sibelius comment was intended to get a flood of pro-public option messages

and people like me demanding Single Payer Now.

If Sibelius' comment that a public option wasn't essential gets a flood of angry mail and calls to the administration, then they'll have more evidence of strong demand for reform with meaningful public options to combat the fake "grass roots" shout-downs against reform.

I've already written each of my representatives several messages in support of Single Payer over the past year or so. Sent another set recently.

Today I also wrote to my president.

So sometimes I wonder if those more conciliatory, compromising statements from President Obama's team are meant to get us to speak out more and push for what we want. So his team can say, "Sorry, diehard privatizer billionaires, I've got millions of folks pushing for this Single Payer thing, so I can't eliminate a meaningful, effective public option from the mix."

[Aslanspal]

5. Are you listening Mr. President??

You need to get out in front and yes .....FIGHT!!! CAMPAIGN MODE...because the right wing sore losers never got out of it..and they have bullied us nearly off the field.

In fact we all need to get back into campaign mode.

[peace13]

6. Thank you Rachel! n/t

[theFrankFactor]

7. Hyesteria? Bullshit!

Solid majorities in the House and Senate, our man Barack campaigned on health care reform and Americans said FUCK YES. He's fucking himself and us and I don't give a good god damn who doesn't want to hear it.

Democrats are on the road to the shitter... AGAIN!

Clearly, to even the most sycophantic, this is turning to shit. I have to admit, I would love for once to see Barack say, as Bush did, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT... and then fucking do it! Democrats are masochists. I'm ashamed to have to associate with the party and I MEAN THAT!

Look at us. Pussies!

I said in one of my videos while Bush was in office and the Democrats were busy lickin' his balls- If you want to se how to be an effective MINORITY watch the Republicans when they're a minority. A GOD DAMMIT I WAS RIGHT!

We're a fucking stranglehold on both houses and the Executive branch and how do we rise to the occasion. By BENDING THE FUCK OVER!

[rhett o rick]

8. This isn't and never has been a fight between republican and Democrat.

This is a fight between corporate fascism and the people. The repukes lock step support fascism and some Democrats. Maybe not all but those that don't are to few and too weak to fight. 50 million people without health care is nothing. Wait until there is 100 million. Maybe then we will get some outrage.

[izquierdista]

11. There are 100 million

They just THINK they have coverage. Wait until they try to submit a claim.

[Buzz Clik]

12. Let's take a quick look at this:

Solid majorities in the House and Senate, our man Barack campaigned on health care reform and Americans said FUCK YES. He's fucking himself and us and I don't give a good god damn who doesn't want to hear it.

Democrats are on the road to the shitter... AGAIN!

Clearly, to even the most sycophantic, this is turning to shit. I have to admit, I would love for once to see Barack say, as Bush did, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT... and then fucking do it!

Frank, exactly how is Obama supposed to execute "THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT... and then fucking do it"?

[theFrankFactor]

14. Let Me Help You Understand.

Did you live in America between 2000 and 2008? Yes? Good. You may recall Republicans were in power for six of those eight years. What did they do? Ask Democrats for consensus? Encourage input form the "other side of the isle"? Ummm, no. The answer would be no.

Did we, as Democrats, like that?

No.

Did Democrats fight tooth and nail against Republican policy?

Umm, no.

Point #1: CONGRESSIONAL DEMOCRATS CAN SUCK MY COCK.*

Did the Republican majority give the Executive branch what they wanted?

Umm, Yes.

Point # 2: CONGRESSIONAL DEMOCRATS CAN SUCK MY COCK.*

Suggestion #1

I am not a Senator, a Representative, a Constitutional Scholar and have not made politics my life but I might suggest that:

A. Don't fill your Cabinet with a bunch of fucking assholes (a real good place to start)

B. Enact the policies you campaigned AND WON on.
- How do you do this?
-Surround yourself with like minded staff.
-Don't ask "mother may I" (Obama has done this, remember the 'bipartisan' bullshit)
-Strong arm the Congress (talk, talk and more talk)
-Show that you can't be pushed around
-He too easily relinquished his strength to Congress

Honestly, I don't have the answers but I can tell you this, IF REPUBLICANS WANTED "SOCIALIZED MEDICINE & HEALTH CARE" WE"D FUCKING HAVE IT BY NOW.

You tell me what you plan is?

*That would be starting with the "Blue Dogs" and proceeding to all but Dennis Kucinich and Bernie Sanders.

[elias7]

17. Party loyalty means different things to a Democrat and to a Republican

I agree with your assessment; it would be advantageous to have a stronger whip system to keep the Dem party in line- lock stock and barrel like the Repubs- if longterm policy change was determinable by a central Dem authority. If ever it should be IMO, a president with an overwhelming mandate and a lot of political capital would have my backing to do it (a la FDR)... Maybe he still can, it depends how strong a politician he is...

[theFrankFactor]

22. Good Point - Bad Result

I agree 100%. I am a Liberal, in part, because I, like many here, have a deep and nuanced view of the world BUT... and it's a BIG BUTT, we have GOT to learn to achieve our goals. We need to be more result oriented and less involved in capitulation and appeasement.

It has been clearly established what kind of "enemy" we are dealing with. These people are killers. They are vast hordes of violent, blindly raging morons combined with soulless greedy assholes. You don NOT reason with these people. (PERIOD).

It is and will be a fight all the way.

#1 We have to get the policies enacted... BIG HURDLE for the self flagellating Dems.

#2 The Republicans will dedicate themselves to sabotaging the outcome of these policies... Requiring MORE FIGHT.

The signs at present tell me that Liberalism will fail for all of it's "civilized" tactics and its cowardly and incompetent self defense.

[Buzz Clik]

19. We agree on some things, disagree on others. Some things will play out in time.

First, thank you for saying quite clearly that nearly every Dem in Congress should have been voted out of office. All of them with the exception of maybe two who stuck to their ideals should have been flushed at the primary level. Generally, it was a Republican who show some spine on some issue or another and loudly buck President Bush; for a while, that was John McCain. Regardless, the Dem Congress from 2000-2008 was inexcusable.

Actually, I find Obama's cabinet to be pretty fascinating. Every appointment seemed to have a logical reason behind it, and each brings some strength to the position. As such, I also disagree that a President should be surrounded by like-minded people. A strong, secure leader needs to have immediate access to an unfiltered diversity of opinion. An intelligent leader with good insight can sift through the ideas quickly because he/she has been exposed to a balanced view. In the absence of hearing these alternatives, he's left to his own devices to provide balance.

The bipartisan approach in the beginning was critical to avoid unnecessary confrontation. We'd had eight years of that.

Now, strong-arming Congress and showing he can't be pushed around has not happened yet, but it will happen. Health care reform is the big ticket item he must get through before the midterm election cycle begins in earnest. We won't have to wait long; it will happen.

In my heart of hearts, I also believe that once health care is done, Obama will start addressing those items near and dear to our hearts that require no bipartisanship. Those controversial goodies that can be solved with an executive order will be solved: "don't ask don't tell" will go away; we'll start getting our environment cleaned up; etc.

Be patient, but don't be quiet. Continue to scream loudly in favor of the things we want. And I know you will, Frank. I love your passion. Wailing in anticipation of defeat will get us jack shit.

[theFrankFactor]

23. Good Points, Well Taken...

I might take issue with this though:

The bipartisan approach in the beginning was critical to avoid unnecessary confrontation. We'd had eight years of that.

You're obviously an intelligent and thoughtful person... but honestly, do you think we have avoided " unnecessary confrontation"?

His bipartisan song and dance did nothing but weaken him. Republicans don't "play".

On the rest.. I can only hope.

[Buzz Clik]

24. Keep it coming, Frank. We're paying attention.

[Capt. America]

13. Testify brother! The Dems are surrender monkeys.

[Wizard777]

15. That was a very sound analysis Obama can take to the political bank.

[Buzz Clik]

20. True. But, she started it with the word "if". It was a warning.

[Wizard777]

25. Wait until Obama finds out Nonprofit Insurance = B Corporation Tax Shelter for the A Corp. Profits.

[swilton]

16. Loses political capital @ 2

He has not only angered the far right but if 'reform' does not succeed, he will have also further alienated his progressive political base who up to now have been holding their noses and hoping they were wrong about the forerign policy choices Obama has been making as evidenced by misadventures in Afghanistan and behavior toward Honduras.

[theFrankFactor]

18. It was critical to set the stage from the beginning and he's failed...

he's weak. Republicans can fight, Democrats are professional losers. This Health Care issue will be as some have already suggested, a dud. By not showing himself a strong and dedicated leader it may be just a matter of time until he's Clintoned.

Let's please not forget how Republicans pissed in our faces with the Clinton/Whitewater mission. It was a smashing success!

Democrats on the other hand, have given Bush and Cheney a dozen roses and a blow job.

[eagertolearn]

26. Thank-You Rachel. Can someone make a commercial out of that and send it to the WH.

[Triana]

27. She's damn right. n/t