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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 12:58 PM
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TYT: Pittsburgh Shooter Home Tour Video--Can We Learn From It?
Edited on Sat Aug-08-09 01:54 PM by ihavenobias
 
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Summary: Cenk plays a video of a 'home-tour' given by the PA shooter who tragically shot and killed women at a fitness center. He then ponders what we can learn from it and how as a society we have unrealistic expectations with regard to the superficial qualities of our potential mates.

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Demoiselle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 01:18 PM
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1. This lost soul clearly had no friends of either sex.
Surely conversations with male friends growing up and going on into his adult life might have helped clear his head given him some perspective.
The trouble with madness (and he was surely mad) is that it isolates you, makes you impossible to talk to. And, of course,the isolation makes you even crazier.
What a horrible story this is.

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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 01:40 PM
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2. Very strange
That house had no personality whatsoever other than some reading material.
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 02:08 PM
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5. I made this same point in a post a couple of days ago. This guy was
Edited on Sat Aug-08-09 02:17 PM by Nay
an empty shell -- I don't know how to put it, really. The house looked like a badly-decorated model home. No pix of vacations or friends, favorite art work, hobby materials, plants, pets, nothing. I would wager that if he had had a dog or a cat, he would have been immeasurably happier with or without women. If I had accepted an invitation to this house and been treated to this tour, I would be wondering if I was going to get out alive and/or unraped.

It would be interesting to know how many women at his workplace had been asked out on a date by this fellow. I would bet he never asked one of them out. Not one. Why not? Either he was deathly afraid of women (a source of many men's bad luck with women) or none of them measured up to the impossible ideal woman he was searching for. I would also be interested if he had EVER asked ANY woman of his acquaintance out on a date. I do hope that if any women had ever been out with him that they would come forward to talk about this guy. We really need to know more.

As far as we know now, he seems to be someone who was so totally obsessed with having sex that he couldn't find anyone to have sex with! If he had realized that his obsession was going far beyond normal and he learned to dial it back a few notches, he could very well have connected with someone by the normal methods. He would never be attractive to me, or probably very many women, because he did have a creepy vibe and was very stunted in personality, intellect and interests, but there is a segment of women out there who would be happy with a guy who had a job, house, and was not abusive -- so that's why I think he simply lived in his head and rarely or never asked anyone out.

As for the possibility of this man being befriended by someone who could have helped him -- well, it's a nice thought, but anyone who has inadvertently been latched onto by a person such as this man knows that one invites disaster when one tries to help someone who has already gone over the edge. Obsessive ppl end up stalking you, etc. And frankly, in the news reports, it does mention that he was invited out after work by coworkers, etc., so he was not totally isolated. I do suspect he was unable to make close friends with anyone because he probably always gave out an obsessive vibe of some sort and no one wanted to deal with the problems that would inevitably cause.

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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 02:30 PM
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7. It reminded me of a furnished rental
and it was excessively neat. He even seemed apologetic for mess that wasn't even there.

It seems that his obsession with younger, attractive women was a way to assure his rejection, making him a misunderstood victim.
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Joe the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 01:42 PM
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3. That guy had everything.....
He had a good paying job, a house of his own, a car and furniture, everything except a girl friend or wife. If I had all that I'd be happy regardless if there was a woman in my life or not.
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Richd506 Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 01:42 PM
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4. I know what he did was wrong and unacceptable
Edited on Sat Aug-08-09 01:42 PM by Richd506
but I can see how something like this can happen. Our society has a black and white mentality. We like to believe that the world is divided strictly between good and evil and we deal only with the immediate consequences of our problems. To get rid of a weed, we have to pull it by the root. Instead we only trim weeds, offering no comprehensive solutions.

With this man who suffered years of social rejection, someone could have helped him. Someone could have given him counseling or been a friend to him or just to simply listen. We should have pulled it from the roots. Instead we waited and allowed his personal suffering to blind him of better ways. And it turned him into a monster.

Instead, we'll see Bill Oreily yapping on about how he was a deranged pervert and the likes and advocate for the right to carry a gun for personal protection. Same old story over and over again and I can't help but feel like a helpless spectator in it all.
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Hulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 02:13 PM
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6. Yeah...I think you might have gone a little too far there, Cenk.
These are problems with ANY society, in my humble opinion. We ALL want something better. Nobody goes out looking for the grouchy, old, pathetic soul to attach to. We ALL want someone attractive...be it wealth, beauty, personality, etc.

You want younger...fine. You want older...fine. You want thin, fat, average...great. You want blond, brunette, asian, latin, caucasion....whatever. This guy was simply a social defect. He had NO social life with males or females. He relied on the media around him...and he felt inferior, obviously, to try to interact with anyone. A real nerd...a social "zero".

What Cenk was spinning off on was how we have expectations of finding someone "better than ourselves"..and I don't think that is so bad. Reality is part of the equation too. We aren't perfect..and we will find someone who isn't perfect as well..cause none of us are.

This is just one sad SOB that was coward enough to take some innocent people with his pathetic life. That is what is sad. He could have done things to help himself, but he didn't. He could have taken his own pathetic life, but he didn't. He wanted to go out with a bang of vengeance, and that is one sad story.
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Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 06:08 PM
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8. K&R
To far out of my frame of reference to provide any real insight, but interesting take on this tragedy. Terminal shallowness? Fucked up indeed.



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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 06:48 PM
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9. K&R n/t
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