Birthers: GOP WelcomesThe INSANE!

[Joanne98]

Run time: 03:38 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQyi4208vL0   Posted on YouTube: July 21, 2009 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: July 21, 2009 By DU Member: Joanne98 Views on DU: 2389

 

[eagertolearn]

1. OMG is this a a science fiction movie where the people have all been possessed by demons?

[TatonkaJames]

2. The dumbing down of America

Every time I see a video like this from so many different parts of the country I am frightened that there are so many misled or ignorant people out there.
These are the ones who believe in the Bush's and Cheney's who dodged wars and find fault with The Kerry's and Gores who enlisted. This is truly worrisome.

[DRex]

3. Listen to the extra emphasis on "UNDER GOD"

in the pledge of allegiance. They should do a poll of Americans and which text they value the most; the bible or the constitution. It would be interesting whatever your religious beliefs.

I remember when I moved to the US from the UK and entered kindergarten, they made us say the pledge of allegiance before class every morning.

I didn't know what the words meant. In fact, for the most part I didn't know where one word ended and another began. I just repeated it over and over.

It seems creepy to me now, especially knowing that the 'under god' part was never meant to be there, that it snuck its way in as the religious hammered away at the constitution trying to get Jesus a place in American government.

Do these people remember that their president Bush never even actually won his office? Is there any other part of the constitution they actually give a shit about?

Sorry for the aside, brought back memories. Haven't said the pledge in a long time. Canadian citizen now:)

[chasitynola]

4. I agree wholeheartedly.

I am a US citizen by birth, but as I got older, I found that the pledge of allegiance sounded so strange coming out of my mouth. I quit smoking cigarettes 10 years ago, and just as a cigarette in my hand feels foreign to me, the pledge does also.

And I am also astounded by how many Americans believe that the founding fathers were total bible-loving Christians. Not Freemasons. These men were not anything like the fundamentalists that run around misquoting Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson and George Washington.

When you do your homework, it all seems crazier and crazier!

And Obama had a birth notice, in a Honolulu paper, the day of his birth, submitted by his grandparents. That would be a very difficult thing to 'fudge' now, because he was trying to fake his way into citizenship.

Wow.

[DRex]

5. Absolutely.

When I moved to America at 5 years old, I loved it because I had never tasted grilled cheese or PB&J before, and because we had the Disney channel. I had never seen such abundance, such pride, such hyperbolic ambition. It was an amazing land! It was a caricature of itself, and it was a wonderland.

Now that I'm older, and have moved on to a few other countries, I realize that of all the great things I found there, the greatest thing the United States has ever offered the world was the promise of the United States itself. The great minds of Jefferson, Franklin, et al. created this promise with freethinking and the learned lessons of history. They were truly great men.

It is so disheartening to see people waving the stars and stripes, fervently rallying for some fundamentalist ideology, without seeming to have even the most basic understanding of what the USA was created for, what it is supposed to stand for.

PS. Congrats on 10 years of being smoke free.

[Norrin Radd]

19. My family moved to Georgia from Pennsylvania when I was six,

in 1979. In Georgia, at the time, a school kid had to pledge allegiance to the flag of the U.S. and to the Georgia state flag (which included the Confederate Naval Jack in its design). Bizarre and contradictory, huh?!

[chasitynola]

22. Yikes

I guess my Florida upbringing was slightly less harsh. There are few people from the Tampa Bay area, especially the beach side where I'm from, that are actually from Florida. It's like New England South.

I used to be afraid to drive through Georgia. Well, guess I still am!

[chasitynola]

23. Thanks

for the response and the congrats! And I do believe that you are correct. Very nicely worded, 'the promise of the United States itself'. Nice.

[Bette Noir]

6. I stopped saying the Pledge when I was 6 years old.

I was reading the Bible (precocious little brat!) and came across the proscription against idolatry. I left the Church decades ago, but still couldn't help cringing, when witnessing the blatant idolatry exhibited by the self-described "Christians" in that clip.

Here's a clue: if you're worshiping a piece of cloth, however much you admire its symbolism, you're not a Christian.

[optimal-tomato]

8. I think Flag Burning is an easy "Reasonable" test.

If anyone wants to ban and/or criminally punish flag burning, I instantly lose all respect for them.

The freedom to desecrate the flag is only 1,000,000% more important than the flag itself. To the extent that the flag represents that and other freedoms, it is worthy of respect. But if anyone thinks that flag is more important than freedom itself, then they are, at the end of the day, a fascist.

I've never burned a flag. Never wanted to. I doubt I ever will. My country was the first modern nation built around the core ideals of the Enlightenment, and because of that, I consider it a marvel. But the fondess I have for my country's symbols will never rival my belief in those basic ideals.

[tblue37]

12. You cannot desecrate that which is not sacred.

Since the flag is not sacred, because it is not a religious symbol, desecration is irrelevant to it. The idolatrous so-called Christians, though, seem to literally woship that flag.

[Shallah Kali]

15. too bad they don't show such reverance or at least respect to the Constitution

instead of idolizing a piece of cloth. Would-be theocrats like Huckabee want to replace the Constitution with the bible { Huckabee Calls For Amending US Constitution in Line With "God's Standards" http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/1/15/143054/151 }

While I don't *like* people who abuse or burn flags I am totally against making it criminal. to me the true obsenity is the groups trying to impose their religious beliefs upon others and then cry victim because they can't make everyone else follow their faiths rules.

[tblue37]

16. Flag abuse isn't a big problem here in the US. It just doesn't happen much. But although

I have never done anything to damage or dishonor a flag, if they were ever to pass an amendment saying that I don't have the right to express myself that way if I want to, then that very same day I would be out in the street burning a flag as a protest.

If they want people to burn flags, then they should pass an amendment criminalizing flag-burning, because then I guarantee there would be a lot of flag-burning going on all over the country, even among people like me who have never before felt the urge to burn a flag. But as long as they leave it alone, flag-burning just isn't going to happen much, if at all.

[Shallah Kali]

18. the westboro church regularly abuse the flag dragging it in the dirt

smearing it with fake blood even. That is the least of what is wrong with that crew but it does add one more grain of dislike and disgust for them to the mountain they already inspired.

As I said before I would never support a law criminalizing flag burning as much as I personally dislike it. I know it is rare and the issue such as it is is more the politicians seeking to make a name for themselves banning something that happens every couple of years at most.

[PDJane]

14. If you believe a country can be harmed

by burning a flag, you're practicing witchcraft.

[izquierdista]

21. Try saying it in French

My junior high French teacher decided that it would be a good way to learn some vocabulary. It wasn't. We learned the syllables by rote and they just kind of issued forth, with less comprehension than the English. And of course, when we got to that one part, it was "une-nation-sous-Dieu".

[snake in the grass]

7. Sickening.

These slugs are just plain useless. Did you hear the "crazy" in her voice? The best argument for Soylent Green if there ever was one.

[optimal-tomato]

"I want my country back!"

Run time: 03:38 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQyi4208vL0   Posted on YouTube: July 21, 2009 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: July 21, 2009 By DU Member: optimal-tomato Views on DU: 2389

 
I've heard it before, but I never know quite how to interpret it.

1) I felt something similar after the 2006 and 2008 elections. Like I was finally getting my country back. A rational, reasonable government. Maybe this woman just preferred the wacko pseudo-theocracy of warmongers. That's the country she wants back...

2) But when combined with the "Birther" movement, I can't help but think that she's rejecting the version of America that elected a black (multiracial) man with muslim familial connections. In her view of America, the lilly-white Christians are always in charge.

Beyond this, it just gets darker. What's the America she wants back? How has the last six months been different, really different than the last 8 years? It's been marginally more liberal, but not radical (in my view not radical enough). What has really changed so much that she feels that she's losing/lost her country?

[Number23]

9. "Some smart Democratic strategist should take credit for starting this movement."

A. MEN.

Rec'd

[wroberts189]

11. Haha :) ditto nt

[wroberts189]

10. Amazing indeed..

How does it go on? Who is organizing it?

[Seldona]

13. Unbelievable this is still an 'issue.'

These people are nutty.

[Shallah Kali]

17. Anyone else reminded of that God Warrior woman on one of those wife switching shows?

It is sad to see such fear, rage and paranoia knowing what kind of damage that does to their families and what it does to our country. While I don't believe people like these can take over America I do know they cause damage. After all it was between them and the have-mores that supported bush/cheney all the way giving them enough visible support to get away with stealing two elections. It is people like these who likewise help elect 'family values' & 'good Christians' like Bachman, Sanford, Ensign, Coburn, Tiahrt etc. ad nauseam.

[Ganja Ninja]

20. Bwahahahahah!

These people really bring the crazy. They've latched on to this and they aren't letting go anytime soon. Facts just bounce off of them.

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