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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 01:03 PM
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BUSH ADMIN LIED ABOUT TORTURE -BE PREPARED TO LISTEN TO THE EVIDENCE-Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI)
Edited on Wed Jun-10-09 01:37 PM by kpete
 
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Sheldon Whitehouse: “No Further Actionable Intelligence Was Obtained” from Abu Zubaydah by Waterboarding
By: emptywheel Wednesday June 10, 2009 10:51 am

Sheldon Whitehouse gave a barnburner of a speech last night, in which he described how egregious Dick Cheney's lies about torture have been.
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Whitehouse says that the torture used on Abu Zubaydah after he was turned over to the CIA contractors for good, no further actionable intelligence was gained through those methods.

So for a third time he was returned to the FBI and CIA agents, again for professional interrogation, but by now he had been so compromised by the techniques that were applied to him that even they were unsuccessful in getting further information. And as best as I have been able to determine, for the remaining sessions of 83 waterboardings that have been disclosed as being associated with his interrogation, no ... further ... actionable intelligence was obtained. And yet the story has been exactly the opposite. The story over and over has been that once you get these guys out of the hands of the FBI and military "amateurs" and into the hands of these "trained CIA professionals" who can use these tougher techniques, that's when you get the information. In this case at least, the exact opposite was the truth. And this was a case cited by the Vice President by name.

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I want my colleagues and the American public to know that, measured against the information I've been able to gain access to, the story-line that we have been led to believe, the story-line about waterboarding that we have been sold, is false in every one of its dimensions, and I ask that my colleagues be patient and be prepared to listen to the evidence when all is said and done before they wrap themselves in that storyline.


One more point about this. Whitehouse (and Feingold, and possibly Levin) are speaking as people who have been involved in SSCI's apparently meticulous review both of what was done to these detainees and what intelligence we got from that torture. Whitehouse's statement--and his description of the difficulties Senators have in declassifying important information--suggest these views come at least partly out of that SSCI review.

At the heart of all these falsehoods lies a particular and specific problem: The "declassifiers'' in the U.S. Government are all in the executive branch. No Senator can declassify, and the procedure for the Senate as an institution to declassify something is so cumbersome that it has never been used. Certain executive branch officials, on the other hand, are at liberty to divulge classified information. When it comes out of their mouth, it is declassified because they are declassified. Its very utterance by those requisite officials is a declassification. What an institutional advantage. The executive branch can use, and has used, that one-sided advantage to spread assertions that either aren't true at all or may be technically true but only on a strained, narrow interpretation that is omitted, leaving a false impression, or that sometimes simply supports one side of an argument that has two sides--but the other side is one they don't want to face up to and don't declassify.


This suggests Whitehouse has learned something, probably in that SSCI review, that totally debunks the claims that the Bush Administration made, but which he is prevented from revealing.

http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/10/sheldon-whitehouse-no-further-actionable-intelligence-was-obtained-from-abu-zubaydah-by-waterboarding/#more-4277

TRANSCRIPT:
Senator Whitehouse on Torture: It's Worse Than Everybody Thinks
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/43462

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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 01:14 PM
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1. Whata relief
to hear this from a congress person. Seems to me that the general public has been well aware of this
business for eons. Finally! It's about time someone in power has taken up the battle cry.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 01:16 PM
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 01:16 PM
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2. knr!!
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 01:16 PM
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3. knr!!
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 01:30 PM
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4. As much as I appreciate Sen. Whitehouse, why is torture the decisive factor in prosecution?
How is it that the discussion doesn't revolve around ATTACKING A COUNTRY THAT HAD NO INTENTION OF HARMING US?

To be honest, as long as we aren't approaching prosecution (yes, prosecution) from the standpoint of attacking a nonthreatening country, we are never going to go anywhere with the majority of the crimes that happened under Bush's administration. Torture is just one small fraction of what happened. But then we'll take what we can get.
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 02:47 PM
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5. Pitiful, huh? The lack of critical thinking going on in America in the majority of people.
I am so grateful for DU. 
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 03:45 PM
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6. kpete, thank you so much for providing such a good
summary and transcript for those of us with hearing loss, who cannot listen to the videos. I wish others would be as thoughtful and considerate as you are!
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 04:35 PM
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8. but of course...
emptywheel always breaks it down so well too.
thanks, and
peace, kp
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 03:54 PM
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7. Sen. Whitehouse: Bush/Cheney LIED about TOTURE = 15:00 speech
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 07:00 AM
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9. K&R
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:46 AM
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:54 AM
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11. I love Sheldon good work and keep on digging
you can see how pissed he is.
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