MICHAEL RATNER
I have to say that, you know, to see these memos, to put it into that they were actually instrumentalized—this is not just theoretical; this is what was happening here for eight years, essentially a dictatorship—and then to see the response of many of the Democrats here to saying, “Oh, let’s just expose it and turn the page,” I mean, what we’re saying is that’s the way it’s going to happen again, because unless you prosecute people, there is no deterrence for not doing this again. And it’s out there, it’s public. If you’re going to do a commission—and I’m opposed completely to the Leahy type—if you’re going to do one, you can’t bury the issue of prosecution. You have to appoint a special prosecutor and make sure a commission of inquiry works together, because a commission can tear up and finish up prosecutions by giving immunity.
And in the face of what we’ve seen in this country, which is essentially a coup d’etat, a presidential dictatorship and torture, it’s essentially a mouse-like reaction to what we’ve seen.
And it’s being set up really by a liberal establishment that is really, in some ways, in many ways, on the same page as the establishment that actually carried out these laws.
And it’s saying, “OK, let’s expose it, and then let’s move on.”
JUAN GONZALEZ
And you think that there’s no essential difference between him and the Obama—the White House position at this point?
MICHAEL RATNER
You know, I don’t think he would be out there without the Obama administration at least saying this is maybe a way to go.
Look at, there’s a lot of pressure in this country right now for prosecutions.
I mean, the polls indicate that people want to see a criminal investigation.
We’ve had open—open and notorious admissions of waterboarding by people like Cheney.
And we know that waterboarding is torture, even according to Obama.
http://www.democracynow.org/2009/3/5/lawmakers_begin_debate_on_commission