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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 10:53 AM
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Tristan Anderson, 37 year old Californian, shot by Israeli soldier
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You can hear an American woman wailing and crying, "Oh god, say something," to the unconscious and brutally-wounded Tristan Anderson on this graphic video taken by the International Solidarity Movement of the shooting of the 37-year-old Californian by an Israeli soldier during nonviolent protests of the Israeli wall in Ni'lin yesterday. Maybe it's Anderson's companion Gabrielle Silverman. Praying for his good health.

http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/03/what-will...

On March 13th, 2009, Tristan Anderson, from Oakland, California, was critically wounded in the village of Ni'lin after Israeli forces shot him in the head with a high-powered tear-gas canister. Tristan is a dedicated activist and reporter who has long been committed to social and environmental justice in the U.S. and abroad in places such as Oaxaca, Iraq, and Palestine. Tristan has posted his reports to Indybay since 2001.

As a result of his injuries, Tristan Anderson, 38 years old, has been taken to Israeli hospital Tel Hashomer, near Tel Aviv. Anderson is unconscious and had been bleeding heavily from the nose and mouth. He sustained a serious injury to his forehead where he was struck by the canister. He is currently being operated on.

"Tristan was shot by the new tear-gas canisters that can be shot up to 500 meters," reports Teah Lunqvist (Sweden) with the International Solidarity Movement. "I ran over as I saw someone had been shot, while the Israeli forces continued to fire tear-gas at us. When an ambulance came, the Israeli soldiers refused to allow the ambulance through the checkpoint just outside the village. After 5 minutes of arguing with the soldiers, the ambulance passed."

Tristan Anderson was shot as Israeli forces attacked a demonstration against the construction of the annexation wall through the village of Ni'lin's land. Another resident from Ni'lin was shot in the leg with live ammunition. Several other demonstrators against the wall have been killed or rendered brain dead as a result of IDF use of rubber-coated steel bullets and live ammunition in the villages of Ni'ilin and Bil'in.

Other ISM activists killed or injured by Israeli forces: Rachel Corrie, killed by a bulldozer in 2003; Brian Avery, shot in the face in 2003; and Tom Hurndall, shot to death in 2004.

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2009/03/13/18576814.ph...
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  - he wasn't shot  davidinalameda   Mar-14-09 10:56 AM   #1 
  - Crass use of semantics. Tear gas canister to the forehead, bleeding from orifices  Malikshah   Mar-14-09 10:59 AM   #3 
  - Face it -- the OP pulled a fast one and got called. He was not shot.  Buzz Clik   Mar-14-09 12:39 PM   #20 
  - Face it. The protestor was shot and those who argue othewise are playing a sick  Malikshah   Mar-14-09 01:02 PM   #22 
     - No. Being "shot by a soldier" has a very specific, implied meaning. It does NOT include...  Buzz Clik   Mar-14-09 02:08 PM   #31 
        - a random object that was SHOT by the soldier.  Truth2Tell   Mar-14-09 03:02 PM   #51 
        - It is very strange indeed as if less violence were involved. nt  Mithreal   Mar-14-09 04:55 PM   #65 
        - Objective achieved  EJSTES2005   Mar-14-09 05:33 PM   #69 
        - Wow. The obfuscation and complete lack of compassion is astounding.  Malikshah   Mar-14-09 11:56 PM   #80 
           - Are you capable of separating your compassion for the injured from the lie in the title of the OP?  Buzz Clik   Mar-15-09 08:10 AM   #87 
              - What actually happened was the protestor was hit in the head with a projectile  Malikshah   Mar-15-09 09:46 AM   #89 
                 - Exactly. And if the author of the OP had said that, then our conversation would not be happening.  Buzz Clik   Mar-15-09 10:06 AM   #90 
  - the headline to the thread is wrong  davidinalameda   Mar-14-09 01:45 PM   #28 
  - He was shot  beardown   Mar-14-09 11:20 AM   #8 
  - What he said.  Hepburn   Mar-14-09 02:21 PM   #36 
  - Actually they didn't fire the teargas container into the crowd.  Truth2Tell   Mar-14-09 03:05 PM   #53 
     - and anybody who refers to the "israeli gestapo"  paulsby   Mar-14-09 04:57 PM   #66 
  - do semantics matter?? the man is injured and bleeding from a projectile  MrsBrady   Mar-14-09 01:21 PM   #23 
  - "He had a large hole in the front of his head, and his brain was visible."  grassfed   Mar-14-09 02:14 PM   #33 
  - Shot by Israeli soldier? That doesn't match your second link.  MADem   Mar-14-09 10:59 AM   #2 
  - This thread is intentionally misleading and incindiary.  Buzz Clik   Mar-14-09 12:41 PM   #21 
     - Bullshit. Look at his face at 1:20.  The Doctor.   Mar-14-09 01:33 PM   #25 
     - 100% bullshit. Intentional bullshit, and many responding here agree.  Buzz Clik   Mar-14-09 02:10 PM   #32 
        - "He had a large hole in the front of his head, and his brain was visible."  grassfed   Mar-14-09 02:20 PM   #35 
        - I never suggested he wasn't injured.  Buzz Clik   Mar-14-09 02:54 PM   #48 
           - Enjoy your fascist moment in the sun while you can. It won't last forever.  grassfed   Mar-14-09 03:00 PM   #50 
              - OMG! GRASSFED JUST SHOT A FELLOW DUer!!!!  Buzz Clik   Mar-14-09 03:31 PM   #57 
                 - LOL...  The Doctor.   Mar-14-09 07:12 PM   #77 
                 - What exactly is the proper term for someone who fires this...  countryjake   Mar-15-09 04:39 AM   #84 
                    - Nice try.  Buzz Clik   Mar-15-09 08:15 AM   #88 
        - Yes, of course... that makes what happened to him ok then.  The Doctor.   Mar-14-09 07:09 PM   #76 
     - What part of 'SHOT' do you take exception to?  Usrename   Mar-14-09 04:20 PM   #63 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-14-09 11:04 AM   #4 
  - "keep title as is"... agenda much?  elias7   Mar-14-09 11:23 AM   #11 
  - no more agenda...  Howardx   Mar-14-09 11:27 AM   #13 
  - I have a Jewish background....  Hepburn   Mar-14-09 02:23 PM   #37 
     - it's frigging ridiculous  paulsby   Mar-14-09 05:00 PM   #67 
  - It is accurate. To argue othewise is wear one's agenda as a disgraceful badge  Malikshah   Mar-14-09 12:31 PM   #18 
  - So facts and accuracy mean nothing to you?  ProgressiveProfessor   Mar-14-09 11:26 AM   #12 
     - It is a 'fact' that they shot a tear gas grenade and it hit him in the head.  The Doctor.   Mar-14-09 01:36 PM   #26 
  - Hit by teargas,not shot.  Swede   Mar-14-09 11:05 AM   #5 
  - Hit with a tear gas CANNISTER, not just tear gas. Busted his skull open...  keepCAblue   Mar-14-09 12:21 PM   #17 
  - TEAR DOWN THE WALL, MR. NETANYAHU  trungpa ricochet   Mar-14-09 11:11 AM   #6 
  - Don't think of it as stealing land....  JohnyCanuck   Mar-14-09 11:54 AM   #14 
  - Then frogmarch NUTanyahu and Olmert before the Hague.  Union Yes   Mar-14-09 12:14 PM   #16 
  - The wall works pretty well at keeping terrorists out  GoesTo11   Mar-14-09 01:33 PM   #24 
     - the wall is a land theft tactic  grassfed   Mar-14-09 01:52 PM   #30 
     - Not a single pizzaria or coffee shop blown up since it went up.  Swede   Mar-14-09 02:45 PM   #46 
     - AGREED! THE GUY SUSTAINED A POTENTIALLY LIFE THREATENING INJURY!  DaLittle Kitty   Mar-14-09 08:12 PM   #79 
     - Well, if the wall followed the pre-'67 border...  burning rain   Mar-14-09 06:06 PM   #72 
  - Ahhh.....no big whoop.  Smarmie Doofus   Mar-14-09 11:18 AM   #7 
  - Isn't getting hit part of the plan?  GoesTo11   Mar-14-09 11:20 AM   #9 
  - So Israeli tear-gas fire just exists, and you plan to be hit by it to become a martyr?  mikelgb   Mar-14-09 02:24 PM   #38 
     - If you're with a group of people throwing stones at Israeli soldiers  GoesTo11   Mar-14-09 02:28 PM   #40 
        - Tristan was not near the children throwing stones.  grassfed   Mar-14-09 02:30 PM   #41 
        - Not a violent protest - the ISM is a NON-VIOLENT resistance movement  grassfed   Mar-14-09 02:33 PM   #43 
           - Apparently they like to keep it ambiguous  GoesTo11   Mar-14-09 02:46 PM   #47 
              - Richard Perle's Telegraph? What, is Front Page down?  grassfed   Mar-14-09 02:55 PM   #49 
                 - Would you guys stop throwing the word fascist around at everyone you disagree with?  GoesTo11   Mar-14-09 03:02 PM   #52 
                    - this is about Tristan, not your fragile sensitivity to epithets  grassfed   Mar-14-09 03:12 PM   #54 
                       - Get well soon, Tristan.  GoesTo11   Mar-14-09 03:17 PM   #55 
                          - Not going to happen, with a good piece of his frontal lobe removed.  burning rain   Mar-14-09 06:02 PM   #71 
  - What a good thing that Arabs never kill Americans.  aquart   Mar-14-09 11:22 AM   #10 
  - Many, many people now don't buy the official 9/11 story and consider it to be a lie. n/t  balantz   Mar-14-09 12:31 PM   #19 
  - what a stupid thing to say.....what does it have to do with the OP  NavyDavy   Mar-14-09 06:44 PM   #75 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-14-09 11:55 AM   #15 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-14-09 01:37 PM   #27 
  - Zionists = Jews who support Israel?  mikelgb   Mar-14-09 02:25 PM   #39 
     - Mostly, yes.  GoesTo11   Mar-14-09 02:31 PM   #42 
     - Well, strictly speaking...  burning rain   Mar-14-09 06:19 PM   #73 
  - I know this Zionist does  davidinalameda   Mar-14-09 01:45 PM   #29 
  - shot, struck, nailed, struck, assaulted, maimed  mikelgb   Mar-14-09 02:16 PM   #34 
  - Focus on semantics=strawman  dgibby   Mar-14-09 02:34 PM   #44 
     - Red herring is more to the point  Jack Rabbit   Mar-14-09 03:48 PM   #59 
  - fuckers  leftchick   Mar-14-09 02:36 PM   #45 
  - "Valiant Israeli soldier defends country"  boppers   Mar-14-09 03:18 PM   #56 
  - True enough. One side lies, so let's all lie. What the hell.  Buzz Clik   Mar-14-09 03:32 PM   #58 
     - Well, it's often the partisans who insist that the other is "lying".  boppers   Mar-14-09 03:52 PM   #60 
        - Multiple versions of the truth? Interesting.  Buzz Clik   Mar-14-09 04:01 PM   #62 
           - If somebody aimed a weapon in your direction, and sent you to the hospital with an injury...  boppers   Mar-14-09 04:40 PM   #64 
              - The injured party did not write the title to the OP. The lack of objectivity was purposeful.  Buzz Clik   Mar-14-09 06:44 PM   #74 
                 - The OP was clear.  boppers   Mar-15-09 01:01 AM   #82 
                    - The title was misleading. Intentionally misleading.  Buzz Clik   Mar-15-09 08:05 AM   #85 
  - The point is that Israelis don't give a damn about anyone but themselves  Grinchie   Mar-14-09 03:58 PM   #61 
  - Objective achieved  EJSTES2005   Mar-14-09 05:29 PM   #68 
  - there's no confusion - they shot a projectile that they know can kill, the guy standing near the  Divine Discontent   Mar-14-09 05:59 PM   #70 
  - You can argue over semantics but the bottom line is  MadMaddie   Mar-14-09 07:49 PM   #78 
  - Are you suggesting that this man was intentionally shot in the head by a tear gas cannister?  Buzz Clik   Mar-15-09 08:07 AM   #86 
  - Stupid. All sides of the conflict are just so fucking stupid. nt  anonymous171   Mar-15-09 12:23 AM   #81 
  - Yet another journalist eliminated by Israeli Occupation Forces...  countryjake   Mar-15-09 03:14 AM   #83 
  - Locking  petersond   Mar-15-09 10:45 AM   #91 
 
davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 10:56 AM
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1. he wasn't shot
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 10:59 AM
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3. Crass use of semantics. Tear gas canister to the forehead, bleeding from orifices
But still not shot....

Yup. He wasn't "shot". OK.....
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 12:39 PM
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20. Face it -- the OP pulled a fast one and got called. He was not shot.
Edited on Sat Mar-14-09 12:40 PM by Buzz Clik
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 01:02 PM
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22. Face it. The protestor was shot and those who argue othewise are playing a sick
game of semantics to suit whatever sick purpose they have.

Reality sucks; better get used to it.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 02:08 PM
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31. No. Being "shot by a soldier" has a very specific, implied meaning. It does NOT include...
... being struck by some random object.
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 03:02 PM
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51. a random object that was SHOT by the soldier.
It doesn't matter if you get shot by a beanbag, or a bullet, or a scud missile, or a rock from a slingshot, or a piece of dog poo - you have still been SHOT in every instance.

I wonder why someone would want to make it seem as though this guy was NOT shot? What agenda would that kind of dishonest semantic gymnastics serve? Weird.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 04:55 PM
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65. It is very strange indeed as if less violence were involved. nt
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EJSTES2005 Donating Member (261 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 05:33 PM
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69. Objective achieved
The defenders and sympathizers of apartheid are out in full force as usual. 75% of this thread is full of bullshit trying to distract from the reality of what really happened. Sad thing is that if he was not American it wouldn't even be news worthy. Palestinians are TERRORIZED by the IDF and crazy fucking RUSSIAN settlers all over the occupied territories everyday.



"You can’t talk to me about terrorism, I was a terrorist."
Uri Avnery
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 11:56 PM
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80. Wow. The obfuscation and complete lack of compassion is astounding.
Too bad. I remain optimistic that the majority of people will actually feel for other humans in the future.

There will always be those, I guess, who refuse for whatever deluded reason.

More's the pity.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 08:10 AM
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87. Are you capable of separating your compassion for the injured from the lie in the title of the OP?
Would you have been less compassionate for the injured man if the author of the OP accurately related in his title what really happened?

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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 09:46 AM
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89. What actually happened was the protestor was hit in the head with a projectile
that was ejected at a rapid rate.

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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 10:06 AM
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90. Exactly. And if the author of the OP had said that, then our conversation would not be happening.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 01:45 PM
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28. the headline to the thread is wrong
just pointing it out

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beardown Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 11:20 AM
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8. He was shot
Edited on Sat Mar-14-09 11:21 AM by beardown
Your own link states "struck in the head by a tear gas canister fired by Israeli troops". He was shot, just not by a bullet.
Before I could get my reply up someone threw in a 'intent' disclaimer that at least the soldiers didn't fire bullets. There is less lethality than a bullet, but firing a teargas canister into a crowd is very dangerous and in normal usage can cause skin burns and fatal pulmonary edema. Non lethal intent has left 4 Palestinians dead and 12 seriously injured at the wall over the last year. The ambulance Anderson was being carried in was delayed 15 minutes at an Israeli checkpoint while on the way to his surgery where skull fragments and a portion of his right frontal lobe were removed. Again, this is all from the link posted to show that he wasn't 'shot'. I can't imagine what I'd read from a link posted to condemn the attack.

Next, I suppose I'll read it's not a wall keeping the Paly's from their olive grove, but a vertical sidewalk and the Israelis are up for the Nobel peace prize because they are only shooting civilians with 22 caliber bullets now.
They shot him as he was walking away, they held up his ambulance, and four other Palestinians have been killed there. Intent? I don't think you should go there.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 02:21 PM
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36. What he said.
BTW: Welcome to the DU! :hi:
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 03:05 PM
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53. Actually they didn't fire the teargas container into the crowd.
Anderson was standing peacefully and separate from the crowd trying to report on the events as a journalist. The police officer fired the tear gas canister directly at him from close range. It was not a random event. It was yet another deliberate attempt to kill a critical journalist by the Israeli Gestapo.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 04:57 PM
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66. and anybody who refers to the "israeli gestapo"
shows they have no credibility
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MrsBrady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 01:21 PM
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23. do semantics matter?? the man is injured and bleeding from a projectile
but miriam webster says the first definition is

"to eject or impel or cause to be ejected or impelled by a sudden release of tension"

seems to me the canister was ejected or impelled by a release of tension
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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 02:14 PM
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33. "He had a large hole in the front of his head, and his brain was visible."
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 10:59 AM
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2. Shot by Israeli soldier? That doesn't match your second link.
He was hit by a tear gas cannister that was fired at the group by an Israeli soldier.

There's a difference in INTENT, there, plainly.

Your subject line conjures up images of an Israeli commando drawing a bead on a helpless protester, and that's not the case.

It's like trying to suggest that the Boston Police intended to murder that girl in front of Fenway who was hit with a beanbag in the eye.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 12:41 PM
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21. This thread is intentionally misleading and incindiary.
This borders on violating DU rules of posting information known to be untrue.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 01:33 PM
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25. Bullshit. Look at his face at 1:20.
He was 'shot' with a tear gas grenade to the head.

Intent is irrelevent, they SHOT a tear gas grenade and it hit him in the head.

It really doesn't get much more simple than that.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 02:10 PM
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32. 100% bullshit. Intentional bullshit, and many responding here agree.
The title of this farce should have read "Tristan Anderson, 37 year old Californian, struck by cannister fired by Israeli soldier". That's accurate. Saying he was shot was not just "semantics", it was a lie.
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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 02:20 PM
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35. "He had a large hole in the front of his head, and his brain was visible."
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 02:54 PM
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48. I never suggested he wasn't injured.
Edited on Sat Mar-14-09 02:55 PM by Buzz Clik
I've had a serious head wound, and I wasn't shot, either.

(what a friggin' joke)
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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 03:00 PM
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50. Enjoy your fascist moment in the sun while you can. It won't last forever.


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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 03:31 PM
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57. OMG! GRASSFED JUST SHOT A FELLOW DUer!!!!
grassfed, long-time DUer, became enraged during a heated discussion with Buzz Clik, another DU veteran. grassfed lost control and shot Buzz Clik a saucy remark.

Film at 11


Isn't this fun?

(fascist, Gracie? gawd.)
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 07:12 PM
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77. LOL...
That would be 'shot Buzz Clik with a saucy remark'. More impact that way. ;)

So... how much money are you leaving DU when you die from his sharp tongue?
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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 04:39 AM
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84. What exactly is the proper term for someone who fires this...


directly at a peaceful protester, fracturing his skull and penetrating the brain?

Sadist? Whacked? Trigger-happy? Hateful? Plain Stupid?

All of the above?

Maybe, but the neo-fascist policy of that tiny little macho militant oasis is without a doubt the reason that this particular tragedy has occurred. Tell me, what gives Israel the right to declare any Palestinian land an off limits "military zone", does he think that the existence of the village of Ni’lin is such an incredible threat that it needs to be eliminated? And what gives the IOF the right to fire any "projectiles" of any sort into that village?
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 08:15 AM
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88. Nice try.
That isn't my point, and my point is perfectly clear.

But I do like this:

Maybe, but the neo-fascist policy of that tiny little macho militant oasis is without a doubt the reason that this particular tragedy has occurred. Tell me, what gives Israel the right to declare any Palestinian land an off limits "military zone", does he think that the existence of the village of Ni’lin is such an incredible threat that it needs to be eliminated? And what gives the IOF the right to fire any "projectiles" of any sort into that village?


Excellent rant! I haven't seen that kind of hate on a leftwing board before. Feel better now?
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 07:09 PM
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76. Yes, of course... that makes what happened to him ok then.
:eyes:

Yes, the OP could have been more explicit, but would that have made what actually happened less tragic?

The answer is of course 'no'.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 04:20 PM
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63. What part of 'SHOT' do you take exception to?
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shoot <1>
1shoot
Pronunciation: \ˈshüt\
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): shot \ˈshät\ ; shoot·ing
Etymology: Middle English sheten, shoten, shuten, from Old English scēotan; akin to Old Norse skjōta to shoot
Date: before 12th century
transitive verb
1 a (1): to eject or impel or cause to be ejected or impelled by a sudden release of tension (as of a bowstring or slingshot or by a flick of a finger) <shoot an arrow> <shoot a spitball> <shoot a marble> (2): to drive forth or cause to be driven forth by an explosion (as of a powder charge in a firearm or of ignited fuel in a rocket) (3): to drive forth or cause to be driven forth by a sudden release of gas or air <shoot darts from a blowgun> <a steam catapult shoots planes from a carrier> (4): to propel (as a ball or puck) toward a goal by striking or pushing with part of the body (as the hand or foot) or with an implement ; also : to score by so doing <shoot the winning goal> <shoot a basket> (5): to throw or cast off or out often with force <shoot dice> <the horse shot his rider out of the saddle> b: to cause (as a gun or bow) to propel a missile c (1): to utter (as words or sounds) rapidly or suddenly or with force <shoot out a stream of invective> (2): to emit (as light, flame, or fumes) suddenly and rapidly (3): to send forth with suddenness or intensity <shot a look of anger at them> d: to discharge, dump, or empty especially by overturning, upending, or directing into a slide
2: to affect by shooting: as a: to strike with a missile especially from a bow or gun ; especially : to wound or kill with a missile discharged from a bow or firearm b: to remove or destroy by use of firearms <shot out the light> ; also : wreck , explode...








Which particular part do you think is inappropriate?
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elias7 Donating Member (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 11:23 AM
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11. "keep title as is"... agenda much?
whining self-appointed censors are completely right in this case. But why be accurate when you can be emotional and misleading. Spin away...
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 11:27 AM
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13. no more agenda...
than the ones demanding a change. considering he was SHOT by a tear gas canister its not actually inaccurate at all just prejudicial towards israel.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 02:23 PM
Response to Reply #13
37. I have a Jewish background....
...and I agree with the title.

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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 05:00 PM
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67. it's frigging ridiculous
yes, it meets the technical definition of "shot", but when you say somebody was shot by a soldier, ANY reasonable person would assume they fired a bullet at him.

is there ANYBODY who saw the title of the thread and didn't assume it was referring to a bullet?

it's an incredibly disingenuous title, and anybody with an understanding of CONTEXT understands this.

when you put the words "shot" and "soldier" together, it implies a bullet .

period.

the level of sophistry here is amazing.
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 12:31 PM
Response to Reply #11
18. It is accurate. To argue othewise is wear one's agenda as a disgraceful badge
of honor.

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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 11:26 AM
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12. So facts and accuracy mean nothing to you?
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 01:36 PM
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26. It is a 'fact' that they shot a tear gas grenade and it hit him in the head.
That translates accurately to 'shot'. Just because you are only capable of picturing bullets as being 'shot' doesn't mean people don't shoot arrows, RPGs, and tear gas canisters as well.

See index 1:20.
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 11:05 AM
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5. Hit by teargas,not shot.
Edited on Sat Mar-14-09 11:13 AM by Swede
Kinda misleading.
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keepCAblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 12:21 PM
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17. Hit with a tear gas CANNISTER, not just tear gas. Busted his skull open...
The CANNISTER was shot from a gun and thus was the projectile which critically injured the victim. The Israeli soldiers then delayed the Palestinian ambulance from taking the victim to the hospital.
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trungpa ricochet Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 11:11 AM
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6. TEAR DOWN THE WALL, MR. NETANYAHU
To paraphrase the Great Communicator, the wall is pure bullshit. Israel is stealing land every day, and it is nor about to stop. Bibi hates Palestinians and wants them all to be deported to points beyond. The United States is merely a big stooge for the Likudniks. Even Obama is afraid to challenge these guys. They are fascists, plain and simple. :mad:
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 11:54 AM
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14. Don't think of it as stealing land....
It's just the making of another pastrami sandwich.

Winston S. Churchill III, grandson of the famed British prime minister, recalled last October at the National Press Club here a telling encounter he had had in 1973 with the hawkish Ariel Sharon, now the Israeli prime minister, about Zionist objectives. "What is to become of the Palestinians?" Churchill asked. "We'll make a pastrami sandwich of them," Sharon said. Churchill responded, "What?" "Yes, we'll insert a strip of Jewish settlements in between the Palestinians, and then another strip of Jewish settlements right across the West Bank, so that in 25 years' time, neither the United Nations nor the United States, nobody, will be able to tear it apart."

http://cosmos.ucc.ie/cs1064/jabowen/IPSC/php/art.php?ai...
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Union Yes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 12:14 PM
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16. Then frogmarch NUTanyahu and Olmert before the Hague.
Try them for the war criminals that they are.

Also the top brass from the IDF. The whole lot-war criminals.
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 01:33 PM
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24. The wall works pretty well at keeping terrorists out
Do you remember the flurry of attacks the year before it started? Buses, pizzerias, cafes, malls. That was the Palestinian leadership announcing to the world that there should be a wall keeping them out of Israel. They got what they wanted, as they often do.

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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 01:52 PM
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30. the wall is a land theft tactic
"Tristan was hit and fell to the ground," Jenson was quoted as saying in an ISM statement. "He had a large hole in the front of his head, and his brain was visible."

Why the protests?
"Ni'lin was 57,000 dunums in 1948, reduced to 33,000 dunums in 1967, currently the town’s land is 10,000 dunums and will be 7,500 dunums after the construction of the Wall."

"Ahmed Mousa (10) was shot in the forehead with live ammunition on 29th July 2008. The following day, Yousef Amira (17) was shot twice with rubber-coated steel bullets, leaving him brain dead. He died a week later on 4 August 2008. Arafat Rateb Khawaje (22), was the third Ni’lin resident to be killed by Israeli forces. He was shot in the back with live ammunition on 28 December 2008. That same day, Mohammed Khawaje (20), was shot in the head with live ammunition, leaving him brain dead. He died three days in a Ramallah hospital."

http://phillyimc.org/en/isms-tristan-anderson-shot-head...
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 02:45 PM
Response to Reply #30
46. Not a single pizzaria or coffee shop blown up since it went up.
Works for me.
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DaLittle Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 08:12 PM
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79. AGREED! THE GUY SUSTAINED A POTENTIALLY LIFE THREATENING INJURY!
IN THE USA Tristan would be a transported by air ambulance to a level 1 or 2 trauma center based on his condition in the video. The Israelis are seriously in need of redress by this country. Not likely to happen however given the influence/control over our political class by AIPAC! :think:
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burning rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 06:06 PM
Response to Reply #24
72. Well, if the wall followed the pre-'67 border...
and Israel withdrew its West Bank settlers, I'd find it acceptable, but that is not that case.
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 11:18 AM
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7. Ahhh.....no big whoop.
>>>>>>>Anderson's skull was fractured and some of the bone fragments entered his brain, Pollack said.

Anderson underwent surgery to have part of his frontal lobe removed and it "went relatively well," said Pollack, who was at the Tel Hashomer hospital in Tel Aviv to monitor the surgery.>>>>>

Just had his skull crushed and part of his brain taken out.
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 11:20 AM
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9. Isn't getting hit part of the plan?
Why put yourself in harm's way if there isn't a chance of being harmed? This way, either he dies and gets to be a martyr, or he lives and gets to be a hero! Either serves the cause.
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 02:24 PM
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38. So Israeli tear-gas fire just exists, and you plan to be hit by it to become a martyr?
brilliant plan I guess
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 02:28 PM
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40. If you're with a group of people throwing stones at Israeli soldiers
you are definitely putting yourself in harm's way. You are hoping and expecting that they'll fire tear gas and rubber bullets, if you're lucky there will be a bulldozer. Was he planning to be hit? No, he figured maybe he would be hit and maybe he wouldn't be and could have the satisfaction of participating in a violent protest.
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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 02:30 PM
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41. Tristan was not near the children throwing stones.
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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 02:33 PM
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43. Not a violent protest - the ISM is a NON-VIOLENT resistance movement
The International Solidarity Movement (ISM) http://palsolidarity.org
is a Palestinian-led non-violent resistance movement committed to
ending Israel's illegal occupation of Palestinian land. We call for
full compliance with all relevant UN resolutions and international
law.
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 02:46 PM
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47. Apparently they like to keep it ambiguous
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Solidarity_M... gives background on their vocal embrace of non-violence as well as their willingness to flirt with violence.


The 'peace' group that embraces violence

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/is...

"In a 2002 article, the movement's co-founders, Adam Shapiro, a New York Jew, and Huwaida Arraf, a Palestinian Christian, urged: 'The Palestinian resistance must take on a variety of characteristics, both non-violent and violent.'"

So they see non-violence as a tactic, not a principle. Whatever.
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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 02:55 PM
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49. Richard Perle's Telegraph? What, is Front Page down?
A peace activist is dying while you scan for fascist support docs.
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 03:02 PM
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52. Would you guys stop throwing the word fascist around at everyone you disagree with?
Wikipedia again:

"Fascism is a radical, authoritarian nationalist ideology that aims to create a single-party state with a government led by a dictator who seeks national unity and development by requiring individuals to subordinate self-interest to the collective interest of the nation or race."

I am beginning to think that a lot of self-proclaimed leftists believe this. For example, they would be delighted with Hamas, which this describes pretty well.
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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 03:12 PM
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54. this is about Tristan, not your fragile sensitivity to epithets
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 03:17 PM
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55. Get well soon, Tristan.
Happy?
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burning rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 06:02 PM
Response to Reply #55
71. Not going to happen, with a good piece of his frontal lobe removed.
That ever happened to me, I'd hope to be euthanized.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 11:22 AM
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10. What a good thing that Arabs never kill Americans.
Oh, wait.
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 12:31 PM
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19. Many, many people now don't buy the official 9/11 story and consider it to be a lie. n/t
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NavyDavy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 06:44 PM
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75. what a stupid thing to say.....what does it have to do with the OP
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 02:25 PM
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39. Zionists = Jews who support Israel?
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 02:31 PM
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42. Mostly, yes.
From Wikipedia,

"Zionism is the international Jewish political movement that originally supported the reestablishment of a homeland for the Jewish People in Palestine. The area was the Jewish Biblical homeland, called the Land of Israel (Hebrew: Eretz Yisra'el). Since the creation of Israel, the Zionist movement continues primarily as support for the modern state of Israel.

Zionism is largely based on the concept of historical ties and religious traditions linking the Jewish people to the Land of Israel, where the concept of Jewish nationhood first evolved somewhere between 1200 BCE and the late Second Temple era (i.e. up to 70 CE).<2><3> The modern movement was mainly founded by secular Jews, beginning largely as a response by European Jewry to antisemitism across Europe.<4> It is a branch of the broader phenomenon of modern nationalism.<5> Initially one of several Jewish political movements offering alternative responses to assimilation and the position of Jews in Europe, Zionism grew rapidly and after the Holocaust became the dominant power among Jewish political movements."

There can be non-Jewish Zionists as well, but most are Jewish.

What do you think Zionists are?



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burning rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 06:19 PM
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73. Well, strictly speaking...
Zionists are those who support a Jewish state in Palestine, but that is now a fait accompli in the eyes of most Westerners (of course there remain some few who still advocate the dissolution of Israel as a Jewish state, but they're highly marginialized). So "Zionist" is now often used to refer to those who favor territorial expansionism on Israel's part, especially within parts of Palestine not included within pre-'67 Israel (especially Judea and Samaria, as right-wingers especially like to say). This second definition of Zionism is in my opinion the more meaningful one now. There are certainly a lot of non-Jewish (type two) Zionists, especially America's Christian Zionists, fundamentalists who believe we must support Israel uncritically because it's necessary (1) to fulfill Biblical commandments, (2) to keep the US in God's good graces, and (3) to bring about the End Times. These nutcases are more than willing to fight to the last Israeli.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 01:45 PM
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29. I know this Zionist does
Edited on Sat Mar-14-09 01:46 PM by davidinalameda
whatever




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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 02:16 PM
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34. shot, struck, nailed, struck, assaulted, maimed

Anderson was _________ with a tear gas launcher.

how does the fucking verb matter?

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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 02:34 PM
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44. Focus on semantics=strawman
Takes everyone off topic instead of addressing the real problem.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 03:48 PM
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59. Red herring is more to the point
A strawman is a fake argument used to put down one's opponent, only it only bears the slightest resemblance to what the opponent is actually saying.

A red herring is is the assertion of a fact (and it may be a real fact, but not necessarily) that really has nothing to do with issue at hand. If Mr. Anderson does not survive his wounds, let's ask his friends and family if it makes any difference if he was hit in the head with a bullet fired from an Uzi or a tear gas canister shot (that is the proper word) from a tear gas gun (that's what they're called).
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 02:36 PM
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45. fuckers
racist fuckers.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 03:18 PM
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56. "Valiant Israeli soldier defends country"
"Unfortunate injury happens to person being used as human shield by terrorists"

Yeah, we've seen the way this gets spun before.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 03:32 PM
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58. True enough. One side lies, so let's all lie. What the hell.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 03:52 PM
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60. Well, it's often the partisans who insist that the other is "lying".
That's the funny thing about myopic perspectives.... they don't allow for multiple versions of truth to be considered.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 04:01 PM
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62. Multiple versions of the truth? Interesting.
In this case, claiming that the victim was "shot" is not a version of the truth; it is simple hysteria.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 04:40 PM
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64. If somebody aimed a weapon in your direction, and sent you to the hospital with an injury...
...perhaps you might consider yourself "shot".

Or perhaps you might not.

Thus, different truths.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 06:44 PM
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74. The injured party did not write the title to the OP. The lack of objectivity was purposeful.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 01:01 AM
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82. The OP was clear.
When one's objectivity is questioned, or when questioning the objectivity of others, there's a useful question to ask:

Is my perspective clouded?
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 08:05 AM
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85. The title was misleading. Intentionally misleading.
Perhaps you can tell us what my perspective is on the Israeli-Palestinian issue. You must be the fifth or sixth poster on this thread to suggest that I have some bias (other than a strong distaste for misleading titles), so ... what is my perspective that you claim is so clouded?
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 03:58 PM
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61. The point is that Israelis don't give a damn about anyone but themselves
Does anyone need any more proof that collateral damage means nothing to them?

It's collateral damage, and inn the end they see it justifying their means. What kind of society can raise individuals to follow orders and blindly kill and maim others, while at the same time stealing their land, building walls sequestering themselves into a fortified compound, and continue to thumb their nose at the world.

The Israeli's need a good dose of "There's no more money for you" ASAP.
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EJSTES2005 Donating Member (261 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 05:29 PM
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68. Objective achieved
The defenders and sympathizers of apartheid are out in full force as usual. 75% of this thread is full of bullshit trying to distract from the reality of what really happened. Sad thing is that if he was not American it wouldn't even be news worthy. Palestinians are TERRORIZED by the IDF and crazy fucking RUSSIAN settlers all over the occupied territories everyday.



"You can’t talk to me about terrorism, I was a terrorist."
Uri Avnery

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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 05:59 PM
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70. there's no confusion - they shot a projectile that they know can kill, the guy standing near the
protesters was hit by the projectile that contained tear gas that the Israeli Army shot their way - how is that not shot? He had his brains visible - goodness, some of you are mentally unfit for society when you are against simple physics. The projectile was shot - and you're lacking in intellect if you do not think it will kill if you get struck by it - and they know it can very well strike someone when they shoot it - even if they don't 'intend' to, but I'm betting they hope they hit someone - they're military.

My comment has nothing to do with the vicious attacks each side take upon each other - I'm talking about THIS MAN'S death caused by a projectile shot his way.

God bless him...
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 07:49 PM
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78. You can argue over semantics but the bottom line is
the training to shoot these cannisters into a crowd, not to take aim at a human head and shoot off the cannister.

There was a case in New York a couple of years ago when an American woman was killed by a rubber bullet to the eye.

Whether it's an American cop or an Israeli soldiar it's a misuse of equipment.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 08:07 AM
Response to Reply #78
86. Are you suggesting that this man was intentionally shot in the head by a tear gas cannister?
It's not clear.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 12:23 AM
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81. Stupid. All sides of the conflict are just so fucking stupid. nt
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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 03:14 AM
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83. Yet another journalist eliminated by Israeli Occupation Forces...
Edited on Sun Mar-15-09 04:03 AM by countryjake


Sending powerful thoughts of strength, recovery and peace on to Tristan and the rest of the villagers of Ni'ilin and to those who are also under attack in Bil'in.


New "extended range" high-velocity teargas canister used by the israeli Occupation forces against Palestinian civilians


Those who are completely helpless against this illegal aggression desperately need our help (firing high-powered tear-gas directly at the bodies of any demonstrators is against all israeli military regulations...tho that is only one of the infractions that the israeli Occupation forces have been guilty of since last Dec. when they stepped up their campaign of neo-fascist repression aimed at any and all Palestinians) and the land-grabs being accomplished in the West Bank must be put to a stop! Those who are trapped in the devastated ruins of the Gaza are also crying out for aid, relief from the blockade. Palestinians all over Occupied Palestine need more brave souls such as Tristan Anderson to stand with them for Justice!

When the IOF picks off one here, another there, they think this a cunning strategy to weaken support for their victims. Please don't let that happen with Tristan...remember why he was there!

I stand with Tristan Anderson and the International Solidarity Movement in resisting the Occupation of Palestine!

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