Aussie TV EXPOSES HUBBARD'S CLASSIFIED Operating Thetan III OT3

[Azooz]

Run time: 05:06 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZAw6H6nuBg   Posted on YouTube: February 04, 2009 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: February 05, 2009 By DU Member: Azooz Views on DU: 1176

 
I found the clip on WikiLeaks, not it's usual subject matter but very interesting:

On 4 Feb 2009, the Australian TV news program "Today Tonight" aired a segment exposing the true beliefs of the Scientology cult, in what it called a "world exclusive". The segment was based on a secret 1968 tape of the cult leader, L. Ron Hubbard, released by Wikileaks.


http://www.wikileaks.com/

[Warpy]

1. I can imagine spending hundreds of thousands of dollars

on what is actually primitive unlicensed psychiatry only to find out I've been living in a sci fi story that was so totally dumb that Hubbard could never find a pulp magazine desperate enough for copy to print it.

I imagine I'd be royally pissed off at that point.

Unfortunately, I'd also know the "church" knew enough dirt by that time that they could very effectively blackmail me to shut me up.

I remember being buttonholed on street corners in the late 60s. I also remember my one word impression of these young and earnest $cientologists: desperate.

I would love to see this bunch nailed for practicing psychotherapy without a license. I think that's about the only way to do it at this point.

[time_has_come]

10. They appeared desperate because if they don't meet their $$ quotas

they get in big trouble.

Scientology is an evil brain-washing cult.

Anyone who doubts it needs to spend a couple hours watching the interviews on this site: http://xenutv.com/interviews/index.html

[tnlurker]

2. I'll watch this later

[Moonwalk]

3. Shrug. I'm a little confused as to why this is news. Not to defend Scientology but...

...is the Xenu story really any more outrageous then that tale about a virgin giving birth to a god who is killed and then comes back to life? Why find it shocking that people believe the Xenu story, or think that you'd pissed to discover that this was the story behind the faith if you were involved with it? (Frankly, I'd be surprised if anyone currently going into Scientology didn't know ahead of time what they were getting into. Between Battlefield Earth and Southpark's episode on Scientology, the Xenu story is a pretty open secret). From my perspective, all religions, all faiths believe in silly stories. A lot of them very badly written (just read the Book of Mormon sometime). In what way is Scientology different?

People who find happiness in their faith (or are just brain-washed by it) and because of this want to believe in a story...want to believe. Their critical thinking and judgement isn't there. So what does it matter if the story isn't a very good one? What does it matter if the villain of that story is a fallen angel named Satan or an extraterrestrial warlord named Xenu? What does it matter if human origins have to do with a divinity who makes a man out of dust and a woman out of a man's rib, or aliens from outer space dropping captives into volcanos?

In short, I find it completely hypocritical for a news show, or anyone else, to make a big deal out of Scientology's belief in this pulp fiction unless they're willing to give the same treatment to every other story believed, often literally, by each and every other religion on this planet.

[proud progressive]

5. good for you, brother! i could not have said that any better, myself.

funny how we are so willing to judge others who might be a little different

[Esra Star]

7. "Today Tonight" is not a news program

they just do fluff stories to feed the sheep.

[Moonwalk]

8. AH! I should have known.

No matter where in the world you go, all such programs look too much alike, don't they? Down to the handsome male-female pair running the circus...er, show.

[Esra Star]

15. Yes, I'm afraid we are all under the influence of the

dominant prevailing culture.
Fortunately we have the ABC (Oz Broadcasting Corp), so we do have sanity,
if you want that sort of thing.

[time_has_come]

14. Is the report innaccurate?

[Esra Star]

16. If you want to know whether L, Ron made up stuff....

Yes, yes he did. I don't know what his original motive was, but it would appear
that he just got totally into the story.
Maybe all science fiction writers move into their own fantasies. I don't know.

[time_has_come]

9. Perhaps you're missing the point....

...it's not so much the belief. People can (and do) believe anything they want.

The point is that this "xenu" story is withheld from scientologists until they're into the church for 100s of thousands of dollars.

With Christianity you're given the whole story up front, and you can show up at church everyday and practice without ever paying a dime.

If scientology just invited people in to practice dianetics and revealed all and didn't require and PRESSURE people for money, then that would be all well and good.

But since they DO pressure people for money, and lot's of it, this becomes a story. It's news because xenu is a hidden truth.

See what I'm sayin'?

The reality is this: scientology sucks people dry.

Go here: http://xenutv.com/interviews/index.html and watch the testimony of Maria Pia Gardini or the Woodcraft family and then come back and tell me scientology is no different than Christianity.

[Moonwalk]

12. I'm afraid I don't think that's really the point at all....

Because if it is, then, once again, a lot of religions are culpable. You can take classes from a Rabbi in Kabballah, Jewish Mysticism, and I promise you that you won't get to learn the most secret parts up front. You have to take the lower classes, then the mid-level classes, then the graduate classes before you get told those secret parts. There are a lot of religions with mysteries and secrets like this, that don't get revealed hose who enter into the church until after they've been with the church and payed money out of their pockets to the church--for years. This includes Momonism, some sects of Buddism and plenty of Hindu Gurus on Ashrams. And certain sects of Christianity come to that. Just because you can read the New Testament doesn't mean that every denominations of Christianity is going to let you in without paying, or reveal to you how to really talk to god without you being indoctrinated by them for a few years.

Religious mysteries go back to the caveman. Even Catholicism won't let you take communion without taking classes and being baptized a Catholic. So, I'm sorry, but Christianity doesn't have it's hands clean in this instance. Some of it's denominations play the same game. There's no condemning Scientology as if it's the only one pulling this thing--or as if it's central mystery is more ridiculous than others and no one should pay to learn it.

So why make a big deal about the "mystery" of Xenu in particular? Or that Scientologists don't get to learn about it up front? Religion is often about this. Some idea that there's a mystical secret at it's heart that can only be told after you've become one of the faithful--and often that includes paying to be one of the faithful.

[time_has_come]

13. You can make loose analogies with any religion, but none of those religions...

...misleed and abuse their members like scientology does in todays world.

If you want a glimpse into it, view the interviews on xenutv.com

If you're not interested, I don't blame you. Why bother? But understand, the human rights abuses and money-sucking tendencies are unlike any of the religions you cited.

[liberation]

4. The DU adbot about Dianetics.org I am seeing at the bottom is the pure definition of irony

Sometimes life is just too much fun. LOL

[sasquatch]

6. Hmm...

*Does his best Rorshach impersonation*

[Starry Messenger]

11. The cult's worst-kept secret.

I guess its good this is getting wider exposure.