Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Countdown: NSA Whistleblower- Bush Administration Spying on Journalists- Recording

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Political Videos Donate to DU
 
debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 09:55 PM
Original message
Countdown: NSA Whistleblower- Bush Administration Spying on Journalists- Recording
 
Run time: 11:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osFprWnCjPA
 
Posted on YouTube: January 21, 2009
By YouTube Member:
Views on YouTube: 0
 
Posted on DU: January 21, 2009
By DU Member: debbierlus
Views on DU: 5820
 

The leaks begin...

Probably the biggest story lost in the excitement of the inauguration excitment....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 10:03 PM
Response to Original message
1. K&R.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 11:41 PM
Response to Reply #1
14. "ALL COMMUNICATIONS" is what my informant said too!
Deja DU: Are ALL COMMUNICATIONS routed overseas to circumvent US law and the Constitution?
Nov-09-07 - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 10:14 PM
Response to Original message
2. I am curious what the freepers will be saying about this video.
Somehow I think they will declare this man a terrorist.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 10:16 PM
Response to Original message
3. Thanks for posting it.
:thumbsup:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 10:17 PM
Response to Original message
4. The plot is thickening
!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 01:36 AM
Response to Reply #4
23. Instead of "thickening" say "SICKENING".
:cry:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 11:21 AM
Response to Reply #23
46. Sickening -- so is spinach
Now, eat your spinach.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 10:27 PM
Response to Original message
5. They monitored the journalists. What else did they do to them?

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 04:49 PM
Response to Reply #5
62. The ones I know say "a lot more"
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 10:44 PM
Response to Original message
6. Keith was wrong: we've known all along that the spying was probably this bad. No surprise.
The guy said that he would be willing to share more information with Obama's administration.

Betcha it has to do with congresspeople.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 10:53 PM
Response to Original message
7. Gotta wonder if they spied on Dems before the Iraq War Resolution and..
if they were spying illegally before the Iraq War Resolution, how did they miss 911???
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dennis Donovan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 11:25 PM
Response to Reply #7
10. They were caught bugging th UN before the war...
...I'm SURE they spied on Dems!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 11:31 AM
Response to Reply #10
49. I almost forgot about that.
What part of THIS did they NOT violate?

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

They should be tried for treason.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 10:56 PM
Response to Original message
8. I'm trying to get my arms around this...
There are so many questions surrounding this.

So...ok, they were spying on Americans. As Tice said they were listening in on our phone conversations, looking
at emails, faxes, etc--just to look. So, what were they ultimately doing?

Were they trying to find illegal activities...or were they trying to identify people who were against the Bush
Administration? Who knows?

Isn't that a big waste of time?? If you're going to spy on everyone--your going to waste a lot of time listening
to a lot of junk--about grocery lists, Aunt Penny's bursitis and my-boss-is-an-asshole gossip among friends. How
in the world could such an operation be productive, if they're randomly selecting Americans on which to spy?

Bizarre!

I also find it interesting that Tice was kept in the dark. He was the guy collecting the intelligence, but the
powers-that-be kept him in the dark about what he was collecting and why.

Who are these people--calling these shots?

I look forward to hearing more answers, because this sounds completely nutty.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 11:29 PM
Response to Reply #8
11. In one word: Blackmail.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MinM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 12:14 AM
Response to Reply #11
17. The CIA essentially blackmailed itself into existence...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 12:43 AM
Response to Reply #17
18. Good point.
Edited on Thu Jan-22-09 12:43 AM by Kaleko
That one sentence just takes the lid off a big ball of old, rotten cheese.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 01:17 AM
Response to Reply #11
20. You think they're blackmailing average citizens?
From what Tice said, they were spying on average-Joe in Kansas.

Do you think they were blackmailing average citizens?

I can understand blackmailing reporters and other politicians--in order to pressure them
into doing what you want...but average citizens?

I'm not understanding how that would work.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 01:28 AM
Response to Reply #20
21. They've collected data on everybody.
That means, every single person CAN be blackmailed as soon as they stick out their necks too far in any corner of the pond and made to shut up.

The CIA/NSA preemptively own every single one of us, you see?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 08:14 AM
Response to Reply #21
39. They don't own me, that's for sure!
It's kind of hard to blackmail someone for talking about the latest sale at Cub Foods.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 11:23 AM
Response to Reply #39
47. You may be the most saintly person in the world
Edited on Thu Jan-22-09 11:26 AM by Kaleko
with nothing to hide. But perhaps you have a son or husband who visited certain porn sites while at work? Or some tax returns were not quite up to snuff? Now their careers could potentially be destroyed if you, let's say, were to testify truthfully or become a juror in a certain trial. Would you want the destruction of a loved-one's career on your conscience?

Everyone can be blackmailed simply by threatening to expose someone else's guilt with whom they had some kind of prior association.

Today I'm hopeful though, that this will change with the Obama administration.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Best_man23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 02:01 PM
Response to Reply #39
56. But I guarantee they've collected your post
As well as the past posts of EVERY person who has EVER logged onto DU. :scared:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 03:26 AM
Response to Reply #20
29. Many many watch lists. The idea is to gather opportunities to arrest/disrupt



NSA Spying

The U.S. Government, with assistance from major telecommunications carriers including AT&T, has been engaging in a massive program of illegal dragnet surveillance of domestic communications and communications records of millions of ordinary Americans since at least 2001.

more:

http://www.eff.org/issues/nsa-spying



ACLU Releases First Concrete Evidence of FBI Spying Based Solely on Groups' Anti-War Views

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
March 14, 2006


PITTSBURGH - The American Civil Liberties Union and the ACLU of Pennsylvania today released new evidence that the Federal Bureau of Investigation is conducting investigations into a political organizations based solely on its anti-war views.

Two documents released today reveal that the FBI investigated gatherings of the Thomas Merton Center for Peace & Justice just because the organization opposed the war in Iraq. Although previously disclosed documents show that the FBI is retaining files on anti-war groups, these documents are the first to show conclusively that the rationale for FBI targeting is the group's opposition to the war.

more:

http://www.aclupa.org/pressroom/firstconcreteevidenceof...




Much more more about other kinds of surveillance programs over these years at these websites.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 03:38 AM
Response to Reply #29
31. DU can be a treasure trove thanks to people like you.
:hi: Death to the Borg Machine!!! Heh heh heh.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 04:35 AM
Response to Reply #31
32.  :- ) We all just keep each other alert --
since the MSM and the high school history books won't/don't do it.

(My bookmarks are so stuffed with the incredible research of DUers' labors-
those DUers could easily publish a small town library's worth of expose'. Their encyclopedic minds and dedication are amazing. )

Death to the Borg Machine! Free the Press!!

:hi:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 07:08 AM
Response to Reply #8
35. "your going to waste a lot of time listening to a lot of junk"
Well actually analysts listen to maybe 0.0005% of the data collected in a day.They record everything

a targeted group/organization or individual have exchanged but it's the computers who "decide"

what data is worth being analyzed be an actual human being.It search for keywords or use voice

recognition to put that data in the pile to be read or listened to.For example if you say to

someone on the phone: "assassination, conspiracy, primers, detonators, initiators, main charge,

nuclear charges" you're sure to be on the list.(Actually by typing those words my post is now on

that list).

Those are actual ECHELON keywords that copied here:

http://planetquo.net/References/ECHELONKeywords.html

For a dragnet surveillance operation they record everything and store it for lather use but

for data retrieving on a particular individual they use the computers in pretty much the same way.






Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
caraher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 10:11 AM
Response to Reply #35
41. That keyword list is gonna pull in a lot of noise
Some of my favorite entries:

Sex, W, Privacy, Tools, Bubba, Bugs Bunny, Dictionary, Daisy, Tie-fighter, quarter, rain, cards, beef, garbage, veggie, freedom, joe

So what would Agent Mike make of the following?

"Hi Bubba. I just grabbed a cup of joe and I'm watchin' Bugs Bunny. Plans? Daisy and I finally have a little freedom and privacy with the kids off at the grandparents... Sex at last! Anyway, we thought we'd drop by with the tools I borrowed and maybe bring some burgers to grill - beef, not that veggie garbage - that is, if it doesn't rain. If it does, we could just play cards or maybe Scrabble. Did you ever find the missing W? Good. I guess we'll grab our dictionary and see you at about a quarter past four. See ya!"
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 10:25 PM
Response to Reply #41
67. Lol!
That's so true ! And your "conversation" is hilarious. :rofl:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 11:18 AM
Response to Reply #8
44. Data-mining.
Patterns for the masses...
direct listening and
potential blackmail for the politically
vulnerable.

I have NO doubts.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 03:30 PM
Response to Reply #8
59. It's not like somebody has to sit & listen to it all.
I believe they have quite sophisticated data mining information, and can scan for certain words, phrases, etc. I mean, just look what you can do with cheap, off-the-shelf Dragon Naturally Speaking in terms of converting words to text, for example.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
canichelouis Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 12:38 AM
Response to Reply #8
68. 24-ish
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 11:04 PM
Response to Original message
9. I just watched this for a second time--
Actually I was just listening to the audio portion.

One thing I noticed was the catch in his voice at times.
I am frankly frightened for this man.


"I've had the FBI all over me like flies on s--t."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 11:48 PM
Response to Reply #9
15. and added it to my YouTube Favs, and Facebook. Rec'ed on YouTube too.
This will go VIRAL!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 08:18 AM
Response to Reply #9
40. I was thinking that Keith should have kept him in the studio then
taken him home with him.He should hire bodyguards to protect him before and after he testifies.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 10:52 AM
Response to Reply #9
42. notice his jaw
muscle clench when he says "depending on what might be of interest". 4:10

think about it.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dccrossman Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 11:39 PM
Response to Original message
12. K&R
:kick:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 11:41 PM
Response to Original message
13. They were "collecting" information.....
Listen to his words.

"Collecting" vs. actually "Listening" or "Reading"

If you were a criminal enterprise involved in illegal wars and fearful of prosecution, who would you spy on?

1. Politicians.
2. Employees.
3. Journalists.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 11:49 PM
Response to Reply #13
16. so they would know if anyone had evidence about how the JUNTA was accomplished!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 02:50 AM
Response to Reply #16
26. Yes, so they would know who might need to be pre-emptively "dealt with".
Edited on Thu Jan-22-09 02:52 AM by chill_wind
Agree.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
trthnd4jstc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 01:01 AM
Response to Original message
19. That was nice. Thanks for the post. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Piewhacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 01:29 AM
Response to Original message
22. Criminal enterprise.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
freeradicalm Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 01:50 AM
Response to Original message
24. K&R
A True Patriot! Keep the information coming to unravel this ball of shit. Keep the pressure on to indict, convict and incarcerate and ultimately execute these rat bastards for the treason they have committed!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 01:57 AM
Response to Original message
25. The snowball that hopefully starts an avalance.
Best thing he can be doing right now is as many shows as possible, and lying low.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Titonwan Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 02:52 AM
Response to Original message
27. I KNEW IT!
Now I know why Cheney had the gonads to sneer and Junior had that shitty assed smirk on his face all the time. These criminals had blackmail files on EVERYONE!
You wonder why the news anchors were falling all over their selves fawning over these jerks? NOW you know! You ever wonder why Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid were such pussies? NOW you know! Boy, this just keeps getting better and better! We're going to see some major shit break down pretty quick. Watch.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 03:02 AM
Response to Original message
28. In Iraq, they just shot at them and blew up their hotels.
And denied it or made excuses. That pretty much took care of truthful reporting by any independents. So much simpler, there.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 03:29 AM
Response to Reply #28
30. it's sick to think about, but you and I know it's true, they've had to have ordered the
deaths of any people that they felt were going to out their plans who had evidence (like the IT guru in his plane).
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 05:03 AM
Response to Original message
33. yep...
and more is coming... i wonder if they will release the names these creeps spied on or intimidated in any way?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bulloney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 06:36 AM
Response to Original message
34. But Keith...Hannity had and EXCLUSIVE interview with RUSH LIMBAUGH!
Why aren't you digging up REAL news? :sarcasm:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 07:11 AM
Response to Original message
36. This is so Nixonesk - When you think about it BUSHnco controlled what "we" heard!
This is really not that surprising, but it is very disturbing. Wonder if anyone got threats if they published something? How far did this go? I wonder if DU was a part of it? I wonder if they took names and controlled more then we know about? Will we ever know the full truth?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 07:25 AM
Response to Reply #36
38. Dan Rather lost his job because he had the guts to keep his integrity.
The corporations have the same interests as Big brother so they keep "their" journalists with a

tight leash around their necks.


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 07:17 AM
Response to Original message
37. I remember watching a documentary about 15 years ago on PBS...
And they were talking about the consequences of the end of the cold war on the Intelligence

community.One retired CIA analyst basically said "Now that the cold war is over they will have

to justify their budget but what will they do?Who will they spy on if the KGB is not a menace

anymore? Well they will turn on us".

That man sure knew what he was talking about.


(Of course they're still spying on the Russians,the Chinese and pretty much everybody else).

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HillWilliam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 10:58 AM
Response to Original message
43. I wonder how many other former ASA are thinking
we knew what buddyfuckers were way-back-when.

This is so much more massive.

But we knew it was happening and we knew this shit was coming. Where else would the efforts of 30 years ago have led. As a poster said up-thread, when they couldn't spy outside any more, they will turn on us. After the Cold War, that's exactly what happened. Poppy grabbed the buddyfucker machine a long, long time ago for a political tool and grew it into the monster we have today.

Ray Charles could have seen this coming 30 years ago. A lot of us did and couldn't say anything. We wouldn't have been believed if we did.

There is good reason Tice had fear in his voice last night. G'dde be with him.

This story has been festering to break for years now. I hope, oh, G'd I hope the truth finally comes all the way out. If it does, there will be some freakyass revelations, but I believe our constitution, our resolve, and our desire for the return of the rule of law are strong enough that we will weather the 10.0 earthquakes that'll hit DC and survive as a nation.

Vigilant Always.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AFSCME girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 11:18 AM
Response to Original message
45. Thanks so much for posting this..
I just added it to my Facebook page! :hi:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 11:27 AM
Response to Original message
48. One day after BushCo is gone,

we begin hearing the truth, from an insider,
about the NSA's surveillance and warrantless
wiretapping of us.

I watched this interview last night.

Now that it is safe to do so, I expect to hear
more come forward and expose this.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 11:44 AM
Response to Reply #48
50. How about Sibel Edmonds and others like her seizing the opportunity
to come forward in droves?

Looks like an avalanche of truth is poised to snowball down the slopes.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 11:51 AM
Response to Reply #50
51. Yes, indeed!

And I am very glad that it is coming.

:-)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 12:29 PM
Response to Original message
52. They are collecting everything
I think we already knew that but it is now pretty much official

This would explain a lot of how they got some things through the legislature and in the press. The threat of knowing something is much more effective than actually knowing it-that's politics.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 12:42 PM
Response to Original message
53. fascism
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 01:33 PM
Response to Original message
54. Fucking criminals, the more exposure the better.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 01:43 PM
Response to Original message
55. did they FIND anything
in the haystacks? and you know they did kerry and all his people.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
syrius Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 02:08 PM
Response to Original message
57. You have to wonder if...
By chance..."They"(the old regime) have targeted this site. "They" have to be worried about the new sheriff in town. Actually, It would be beautiful to see the new sheriff crack open the shell and start frying some eggs. I hope Obama retains the Bush powers for us all and allow the people to start watching "them". Just a thought...the French did storm the Bastille, didn't they?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 02:24 PM
Response to Original message
58. All of the above spying electronically on Americans
go's through several companies centered in I$ra@l whose very existence is payed for by we the taxpayer; One of which is Amdo@; Making Ari@l Sh@rons comment "We the I$ra@li's control the United States", less fantastic and just a tetch more believable.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 04:10 PM
Response to Original message
60. Bush on the Constitution: Its just a goddamned piece of paper ...
Nuff Said !
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
robish518 Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 04:47 PM
Response to Original message
61. what is the matrix
He made a point to talk about how they didn't have the computing power to monitor every form of communication for every citizen. I think they merely have access to do it from certain locations like in SF.

In my law class last summer we learned about this act that the government passed to put in place devices that can monitor communication. It's not something that's on auto pilot and agencies still need to get a warrant to wire tap, but this law requires that institutions must put those devices in place. (I can't remember what it is called, I'd have to look in my notes).

What else was interesting was how DUers are suspecting reasons why they would "blackmail" the average Joe the six packin plumber-sam in Kansas. I would like to suggest they are not blackmailing anybody (err... maybe politicians, journalists, anybody with an outlet to the public and a progressive voice). Data collection, computer algorithms, and processing power can only mean one thing. You are stuck in the Matrix.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 06:15 PM
Response to Original message
63. This is great news of course, but it's old news. As far as leakers coming out of the
woodwork and a snowball effect that turns into an avalanche, it's ALL under the control of the media. If the corporate media decide it's too hot to handle they will kill it.

We've been hearing about this stuff on progressive radio, Countdown and sites like DU for years but it has never gained traction because the corporate-media-fed masses are not getting the exposure to it. One two-minute piece on CBS or NBC or CNN is not going to generate the outrage. It will take massive exposure on all forms of media to make this a big-ticket item.

Since all of these bastards are thick as thieves: telecoms, networks, NSA, FBI, CIA, it's gonna be a tough nut to crack. Rest assured that people will die over whether this sees the light of day in an effective way.

Just my $.02 worth.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
girl_interrupted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 06:47 PM
Response to Reply #63
64. K&R
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 06:56 PM
Response to Original message
65. Just watched this it's INCREDIBLE...Please do the SAME!
CHECK IT OU! Major Media along with the Rest of Us being scoured for where we searched and what we did on the "Internets" since Iraq Invasion. Which "Phone Company" do you TRUST...is the question.

:-(
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 09:56 PM
Response to Original message
66. Obama should order those records destroyed.
Speaking as a journalist who investigated Cheney and corrupt GOP leaders, I don't want my personal cell phone calls, IMs, etc. out there for anyone to misuse and potentially compromise protected sources/whistleblowers.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec 18th 2014, 10:29 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Political Videos Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC