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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:02 PM
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YouTube Is Dead
 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RAEWdCz0eY
 
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Posted on DU: December 05, 2008
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YouTube is making changes that amount to censorship. Please listen to this video.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:07 PM
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1. YouTube has been "dead-to-me" since late 2006...
...when Google started deleting members who uploaded old Comedy Central video. It's all been down hill from then.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 08:57 AM
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19. Most of us found that forgiveable due to copyright law.
This is different.
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Rosetteismyname Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 10:19 PM
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21. fair use act and freedom of information act
there is also fair use act and freedom of information act which allows for educational uses...

One could easily argue a non-profit educational use...but that isn't the issue...profiteering/corporatism/facism....all facets of greed...ridicuoulous
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:58 PM
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2. I only pretty much use YouTube for sports and music videos.
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Richd506 Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:00 PM
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3. I recognize the voice
I think this is the same guy that battled against that idiot creationist VenomfangX on, of all places, Youtube. Venomfangx had a way with welcoming debates but then censoring anyone that didn't agree with him.
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Autonomy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:59 PM
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12. Yep thats Thunderf00t
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:23 PM
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4. I don't understand the ratings thing
but it seems to me people who have similar interests could manage to keep together. They took away the bulletin feature for some reason. And they put all this silly hearts and markers to show what you favorited, like something teenagers would want.
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:53 PM
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5. Oh good gravy
I think a corollary to Godwin's Law needs to be coined wherein the first whiner to cry censorship when a private website does something they don't like gets theirself an immediate and irrevocable suspension of all internet services except for a self-hosted e-mail account subscribed to every spam operation in the world. And they have to administer their own damn mail server.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 06:08 AM
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16. The internet
is far more important then a company.

Here is the problem. Currently on TV 5 companies control everything you see. So they have a sudo power to create what people think.

On the internet you tube, google, MS, and a few others could potentially control what you see.

So the question is not does a private company have the right to censor content on their site, the question is if they choose to censor, then would not the people have the right to take that option away from them. Quite simply, if a company can control information, then they should be under constraint by the people.

Unless you want a few CEO's to try and rule the world. Which of coarse always fails, but where to we draw the battle lines and how soon do we choose to engage in the battle.

The private sector could theoretically fix this itself, if a company tried to change cultural norms. Then another company could pop up and say they are not doing that. Here is the catch, if a group has a lock on information, then that group would never let people know about the new company. So again, it becomes in the interest of people to actively stop companies from censoring content. You could argue trust like litigation against agreed norms being set by many companies with same ideology.

A open source competitor, with algorithms that are open for review would stop this. And if it was deemed necessary, government could even fund the project in the interest of free flow of information. Same reason government protects libraries, or use to when they were key source of information. In lieu of government funding, private institutions could handle parts of the projects if they agreed to the content selection protection.

PS Ask dot com is a search engine that was started by same people that started fox news, you can see the slant in that engine easily. And the temptation to slant to further a persons personal thoughts is almost more then can be allowed to be in the hands of a few executives. The assumption that they will do what is best for all, does not have a good track record.

also your comment, I am replying to, has in it the exact misuses of power that needs to be prevented.

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DemzRock Donating Member (824 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 04:15 PM
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6. Although yt remains king, there are TONS of other video sites
Edited on Fri Dec-05-08 04:16 PM by glenhappy
out there. Eventually, their draconian rules will lead to a major rise of alternatives. Hey, remember the browser wars? There was a time when it looked like IE would never have any rivals again. Now we have firefox, opera, and chrome (and others). I don't trust google chrome, but it's great to have alternatives. There are a ton of new video sites.
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AzNick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 05:23 PM
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7. Boo hooo hoooo... whiney whiney whiney...
I suggest this person starts his own Youtube and stops whining about the limitations of a free service.
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Rosetteismyname Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 10:22 PM
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22. what YT is doing is wrong point blank
this person gets paid for his service on YT...He recognizes others who make vids - that they will be left out...creating this video could only hurt him and not help him...

YT started out as a forum where it could be open...other services don't offer the same audience and you know it...this country was founded by people who didn't like the way it was and changed it, they didn't go somewhere else, so telling people to go somewhere else is insane...people all over the world consider america the free world and with democracy in hand, what YT is doing is wrong point blank
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 05:41 PM
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8. Does anyone else see the irony in that this video is being hosted by YouTube?
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AzNick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:41 AM
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15. Yes, my point as well...
There are people who will always bitch about this or that, and how horrible Youtube is to censor videos.

Nobody will prevent you from hosting your video on your own Web site, nor will they prevent you from paying the bandwidth for it either, because as far as we know, Google is still not making a buck out of Youtube.

Unless I missed something.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 06:15 AM
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17. The power is never from complete censorship
it is keeping certain content up front where everyone sees it, and putting the stuff you don't want seen on the top shelf in the back of the room.

There is always a 10% that will know whats going on. True propaganda realizes this and uses that 10% to test for leaks, and tolerances of systems. If you try and get to 100% info control, you get back lash, and build up. If you allow 10% you can economically freeze out that percentage, or alice them by directing to false info.

This allows for control that seems unseen. It is subtle, and goes unchallenged. Other methods are used, point the 90% at the 10% with tin foil hat comments. And bubblies the communities so the 10% does not leak over into general population.

This is where the analogy of virus come in, and quarantines and jail for containing ideas that are not approved of.

Lots of stuff, it doesn't even have to be that organized, one power player can put a TV add up letting others know the ideology they like or don't like, others usually fall in line if they have consigned there power to the controllers of the advertisement through respect.
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 06:05 PM
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9. You Tube used to have porn
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 07:49 PM
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11. www.youporn.com
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 06:36 PM
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10. YouTube has anime and martial arts. Thats good enough for me.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 10:53 PM
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13. It is censorship and they need to be sued for it
the You Tubers are well aware of it
and have already figured out how to go around it

and mums the word on how we are getting around it
:)
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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:08 PM
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14. Isn't YouTube privately owned. They can do whatever they want.
Don't use it if you don't want to play by their rules. Simple.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 06:20 AM
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18. Yea that privatly owned finance system
Worked out great to. You are thinking as you are taught.
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Rosetteismyname Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 10:25 PM
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23. it is about censoring out people that
It isn't about playing by the rules, it is about censoring out people that don't have a huge fan base like thunderfoot does...He has a huge base and gets paid for his vids, this video only hurts his potential profits should people actually scream...but tell you what, you upload vids, and see how it is....
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Rosetteismyname Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 05:34 PM
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20. YT stinks!!!
"they serve the public interest only when it serves there financial interest"

But now it isn't anymore...with YT live

YouTube live is corporatism at its best...Also, one can click only for partner vids...it is ridiculous!
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