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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:34 PM
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Frum on Maddow-10_13_08
 
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:35 PM
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1. He is full of it. Cry baby cry.
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bulloney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 06:27 AM
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80. How many of the speeches he wrote for Bush were hateful and divisive?
Now that he's seeing the polls showing McCain/Palin losing ground despite the violent tones of their rallies, he wants to be peacemaker and somehow equate Maddow's sarcasm with cries of bodily harm to Obama from the McCain/Palin rallies.
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 04:57 PM
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155. exactly. nt
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paulthomson Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 09:08 AM
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99. Frum-kin Pumpkin puddin' and pie
wrote bad speeches and people died

Oh! was that sarcasm?
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jkshaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:37 PM
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2. Frum needs a sense of humor implant.
Along with a completely functioning brain.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:39 PM
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3. And a soul.
He sold his original one to Satan a long time ago - at a discount.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:57 AM
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59. Frum incarnates the arrogance that blinded the Bush administration
to reality. What an obnoxious personality.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 12:38 PM
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125. Frum needs a sense of humor implant.
No he doesn't. Everything he said was BS.... and he knows it. He pulled a "palin"...he changed the subject. Rachel acknowledges that and then (God I love her!) brings up the equivalency problem.

Where was all this hand wringing from GOP operatives when Bush was calling any of us who didn't like the Iraq invasion traitors, un-american, siding with terrorists?
Where was all this sturm und drang back in the 1990s when Newty Gingrich was handing out lists of words like "traitor, deviant, elitist, dangerous, disaster" and instructions on how to associate them with "liberal"?

Don't tell Rachel to watch her step, Mr. Frum....spend a hour or so explaining why your GOP party has initiated and supported... even institutionalized.... the so called "politics of personal destruction" you guys practically invented. Oh sure, Dems aren't perfect and engage in such things....but not in such an organized, strenuous and disingenuous way as the GOP has for the past decade. There's that bothersome equivalency argument again! There's just no comparison.
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ejbr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:43 PM
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4. KPETE, Well done!
Very quick post. Thank you! I did see it as it happened and wasn't sure I heard him right. It wasn't until she confronted him on his comments that I was fully cognizant of what was going down. I am so proud of her. SO proud!
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Timbuk3 Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:44 PM
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5. "Now that we're behind...
...you need to play nice."

That's what I heard.
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morningglory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:53 PM
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18. Zackly!! nt
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:55 PM
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21. exactly!
What a hypocrite. Why didn't he get all sanctimonious about the need for a change in tone eight years ago?

Bullies like him always cry foul when they start to lose. :nopity:
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dothemath Donating Member (221 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:11 PM
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27. cut to the chase ............
Now that is what I call 'cutting to the chase'.
Well put, Timbuk.
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 12:00 AM
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48. The pretend 'high road'
He is thinking too hard trying to be intelligent, thoughtful while his mind is looking for an opportunity to throw in the little jabs of insults. And when he starts a spat - Rachel doesn't let him get away with the rhetorical bullshit!

At the end he smiles, trying to pretend to be humorous, and Rachel doesn't buy into it. She's too smart.

I love quick thinking intelligent people - Go Rachel!

One thing about Rachel's show: She is fair, but she will not let the guest frame the discussion. She doesn't get rattled. She doesn't fumble. She 'forces' them back to the topic. That is a lesson I wish those on the left would learn - but I truly believe her secret is her quick thinking intelligence and wit that enhances her wide range of knowledge.

I also love when she throws out her challenging questions - as in her story on Sarah Palin and Troopergate tonight: "and by truth you mean what exactly?"
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 02:18 AM
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61. absolutely. Spot on analysis.
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merbex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:24 AM
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92. Try to think of one other person besides Rachel Maddow who could have
handled that without cowering

She defended herself without getting defensive....never easy

Cheers and kudos to Rachel
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VWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:42 AM
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95. Yes. Compare this to the reception
that anyone on the left would get from O'Reilly.

Rachel's a class act, and her show is destined for greatness.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 11:17 AM
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115. That's exactly what the rest of us heard!
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cynthia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:46 PM
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6. Frum = what a creep
although he does admit that McCain is finished, that we will have a democratic president and congress. But what a jerk. For him to claim that satire is just as bad as threats of violence is appalling.
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liberal1973 Donating Member (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:47 PM
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7. Good job Maddow
That guy was full of shit. No surprise that the dumbass writes for the rag National Review and Bushco.

The POS would not answer any question.
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bookman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:47 PM
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8. Nice job Rachel.
We're proud.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:48 PM
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9. Thanks For Posting... But I Can't Get The Video To Run Correctly...
It keeps cutting out and takes too long. I did see it though, but guess I watch it again later.

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elzenmahn Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:49 PM
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10. Rachel is a pro, no doubt...
...and handled him with far more class than he deserved.

And how rude it was to disrespect the host and the show he is on...more "working the refs", I guess.

Now imagine if somebody spoke like that to Tweety (or Billo, for that matter.)!
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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:46 PM
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136. She is not afraid of the truth, unlike her guest.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:49 PM
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11. What Scum!
That is one sick, twisted puppy.
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:50 PM
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12. David Frum and other Jewish neocons are too stupid
to realize the utter disdain and hatred people like Sarah Palin and Pat Robertson hold for them. To the SP's of the Republican party David Frum is an intellectual city dweller who does not reflect the "small town" values she and they claim to hold so dear.

I hope he has an epiphany and leaves the Republican party.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:52 PM
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15. Where Would David Go Then?
Israel, Maybe...
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huckleberry Donating Member (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:55 PM
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19. how about back to Canada where he came from?
I think he's still a Canadian citizen.
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ClusterFreak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:58 PM
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23. No way!
We don't want 'em back...!! :P

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Caradoc Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:08 AM
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89. Don't Return to Sender!
As far as we Canadians are concerned, Frum has chosen the states. He's a bad fit for Canada and he knows it. His late mother, Barbara Frum, is still enshrined as a news icon at the CBC although 'why?' is probably the best question; she was never that great to me, but that's the MotherCorp for you...weak reporters/presenters get jobs for life and the talented ones get shuffled around until they give up. I support the CBC, but to anyone who has worked there you quickly recognize it as a virulently nepotistic atmosphere dominated by ego battles that are almost gladiatorial. There's also a considerable amount of, let's say, 'favouritism' as well as a large cadre of useless middle management kept on largely due to this favouritism. If Frum is ever forced to retreat to Canada, the CBC will give him a job.
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 09:49 AM
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105. Watch your mouth.
;)
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morningglory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:52 PM
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13. He looked destroyed. Said Rachel should be talking about serious
bi-partisan issues in a way that would bring us together, (and let the republics rule, lie, smear, steal with no danger of being made fun of, due to funny people like Rachel NOT HAVING A SHOW when the republics run the country the way it sposed to be). He said she was being sarcastic at a serious time in our country's history when we are in grave danger of Obama getting control and making government bigger. Mmmm hmmm. My heart bleeds.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:53 PM
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45. He likened Obama's support to people signing on "blindly"
Edited on Mon Oct-13-08 11:54 PM by rocknation
Maybe they're signing on because they can see McCain so clearly!

:headbang:
rocknation
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StopTheNeoCons Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:52 PM
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14. Rachel wasted him, he's a punk whiner
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Kalifornia.Kid Donating Member (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:53 PM
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16. Rachael Let This Fool Take Up Too Much Air Time
This fool got too much air time and had a platform for peripheral attacks on Dem's in general.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:46 PM
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43. He Can't Complain, Then.
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:53 PM
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17. Wow!
I don't have a TV these days, so I haven't really seen much of Rachel other than her being on Olbermann (which I watch over the internet). I am absolutely blown away by her thoughtful, intelligent discourse, the fact that she listened to Frum, understood what he was getting at, and refuted it firmly several times. I guess I'm going to have to watch her show on the internet now.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 12:49 PM
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128. other than her being on Olbermann (which I watch over the internet).
You can watch her on the internet too (though, strangely, the clips are not in order as shown on the TV like Olbermann's....huh?)

Go here:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908 /

to get started.
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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:55 PM
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20. These guys aren't used to being challenged without screaming
It actually feels awkward because it is so much different. I'm glad she didn't back down. When you think about it, it is astoundingly outrageous. He did, without any doubt, assert that her sarcasm was equivalent to calling a person a terrorist or calling for one's assassination.

I guess she won't get many visitors from the right. But that's OK. Just keep telling the truth and building the ratings. There will come a time when the cowards on the right will find they have to come out from their cozy little enclave at Faux.

Maybe the most extreme will never give up their fortress, but as time passes, there will be more and more moderate voices on the conservative end that they must engage Rachael on her terms -- which aren't really unfair. The only rule is that you can't talk nonsense and expect to get away without a challenge.
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chalky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:10 PM
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26. "These guys" are used to having some right wing host shield them
by shutting down the liberal. If there is screaming, it's due to the frustration of not being heard.
Yeah, I'm sure this was a real shock to his system. No one there to coddle him from the big, bad liberal and her scary, scary FACTS. No shouting to point at as proof that the big, bad liberal was unhinged. Just the cold hard reality that his cloak of moral superiority was made of rags.

My heart bleeds purple piss for him.

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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 03:42 AM
Response to Reply #26
73. Pumping My Fist In The Air For Your Post
It is our time. Fucking A! It is ABOUT time!
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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:21 AM
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91. We shall overcome !!!
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MarkvsAugustvs Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #26
127. I agree with you completely.
These guys always turn to gristle when confronted with an honest assessment of their actions. Just looking at him whine and squirm makes me want to pound his ass into the pavement. What a paralyzed pile of piss!
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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:55 PM
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22. Can we collect money to send him cheese?
There's plenty of whine where he comes from.
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MNBrewer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:09 PM
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24. What was up with his poultry-like body language?
Edited on Mon Oct-13-08 11:11 PM by MNBrewer
What does that indicate? It was very off-putting. It indicated that HE didn't take what he was saying seriously, to me.
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Buck Power Donating Member (329 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:32 PM
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37. LOL!
"poultry like".

I thought I heard a "cluck" or two.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 06:40 AM
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81. I thought he was having a seizure at one point, the way he flailed around
:evilgrin:
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:09 PM
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25. I lurves me some Rachel! She held her own with that jackass and would not
be intimidated or talked down or drawn into his "arena' of "logic".

GOOD for her! :applause:
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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:13 PM
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28. I just realized it took me a long time to download this at high speed internet BUT
it has been downloaded 500 times on the DU site and only 202 times on the youtube site. I wish more people were as obsessed with Rachel as we DUers are.
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Buck Power Donating Member (329 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:33 PM
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38. Nah
the counter is stuck. Happens all the time w/ high-demand vids.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:38 PM
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39. How did you download it? Thanks.
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 09:12 AM
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100. Use the Firefox browser. Get the DownloadHelper Add-On/Extension.
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Kalifornia.Kid Donating Member (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:14 PM
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29. Snotty Bastard
from "Georgetown cocktail parties."



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nadine_mn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:16 PM
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30. I had to send Rachel an email after watching that asshat
she was awesome... I would have lost my cool and challenged his punk ass to slap fest

sigh... its why she has a show and I don't (ok one of many reasons)


way to go!!
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:18 PM
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31. Rachel is one of the most serious broadcasters out there. Her humor is usually about the >
Edited on Mon Oct-13-08 11:21 PM by barack the house
absurdity of a lot todays politics even on our own side as she is genuinely fair and balanced. I don't' think she should take to heart anything they say as most times out of ten it's for political gain.
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trthnd4jstc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:18 PM
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32. Ms. Maddow knows how to deal with our political opponents. Well done, and thanks kpete for the post
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:19 PM
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33. Don't get me wrong, Frum is a smarmy snot of the first water . . .
But the notion of a more thoughtful debate about public issues is a good one.

Trouble is, the Hannities, O'Reillies, Limbaughs, and Savages of the world poisoned that well a long time ago, and clearing their taint from the dialectical groundwater is extremely difficult when they keep pumping the toxins in.
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:47 AM
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96. I tend to agree with you
Frum was sniffing around some good points, but the person making them was basically hypocritical for advocating them. He was part of "the problem" for much of his professional career. Ask him about Willey Horton and get back to us on "adult discussion".

That said, I thought Rachel was a bit back on her heals at first. To some extent she was in a tough position of not wanting to go off on a "guest", but also try to control the show a bit.

There has been a loss of "adult conversation" in our political discourse. It can be traced to many things, and one of them is the phenomenon of "entertainment news". Jon Stewart and SNL are fun, but they are not a replacement for more serious, thoughtful, and respectful discourse. Alternately, it was the media's attempt at "objectivity" which the right wing/conservatism used to their advantage to undermine intelligent discourse. Their attacks on education and reasoning (reality based thinking as a perjorative) was so outrageous that it was worthy of derision. But objective news shows tried to show deference, even to the absurd. In the name of objectivity, some highly accomplished academic would find themselves being placed on some equal footing with the political hack/surrogate of the day. This all came to a peak with the advent of Rush and Fox and all of the "opinion" shows which are nothing more than "propoganda" shows. But somehow the left is suppose to not participate in this area of public discourse.

Frum tried to do to Rachel what Stewart did to Tucker Carlson and company. The problem is, Stewart was in a position to make such a claim. He's a comedian saying "look, don't look to me as standard of discourse. I'm SUPPOSED to be funny and light weight. You're passing yourself off as serious discourse.". Frum on the other hand, was a guy that participated in the distruction of "adult political discourse" and is now somehow trying to climb on a high horse. And do it I might add with someone who could think her way around him on her worst day.
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rucognizant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 10:10 AM
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109. But the notion of a more thoughtful debate about public issues is a good one.
And Rachael Maddow achieved it on LIBERAL terms! Frum needs to take that statement to his ridiculous R. W. buddies who make a hash of any serious political discussion!
Maddow is a natinal treasure ad I hope she reads this, as I couldn't find access to e-mail her on the MSNBC site.
( My Mac without Outlook Express, won't allow me to e-mail in some set ups. I like CNN's format, that provides a box for commentary!)
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 03:01 PM
Response to Reply #109
141. E mail Rachel Maddow at Air America Radio
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theFrankFactor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:28 PM
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34. Rachael at Her Best! Fuck Frum!
What fucking asshole! Rachael handled that cocksucker in excellent form! That fucking douche bag is going to cry about civility... NOW? Bullshit! Go cry to Michael fuckin' Savage, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter and Bill O' pin head Reilly you fucking twerp. He was trying to provoke Rachael and it blew up in his smug ass face.

Bring that shit on mother fucker!
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:40 PM
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41. I think he looked deflated because he did not ruffle a single feather
on Rachel. She held her own and handled him like a pro pro.
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KSDiva Donating Member (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 11:51 AM
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120. And then she smiled at him and thanked him for coming
and looked like she completely enjoyed the discourse -- just like she always does with Pat (although I do think those two have become friends in addition to sparring partners). He didn't know what to think of someone who can disagree, argue intelligently without yelling and then say "whew, I enjoyed that, thanks! You should come again, man that was kinda fun." LOL
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Twinguard Donating Member (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 12:45 PM
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126. I love Rachel Maddow!
I have no doubt that she likes to have political discussions with the opposition. I am always game for an echo chamber discussion with like-minded people, but I think it's fun having an intelligent discussion with republicans. Note that I said INTELLIGENT discussion.

I can no longer talk politics with my dad, as he only listens to Faux News and conservative talk radio (including Squealer Limbaugh). When I (or my wife, or anyone else who disagrees with the rhetoric from those sources) present a different type of view, my dad completely shuts down and starts the accusations of us only listening to the liberal media. No matter how many times I explain to him that I get my news from lots of sources (and yes, some of those sources are conservative sources) he is unreceptive to any discussion. This is also the same man who thinks that Fox is often too liberal. That is not what I think of as intelligent discussion.

In contrast, my best friend and the best man at my wedding, is a hardcore republican. Not only that, but he is a lobbyist for an oil company in DC. I really enjoy political discussions with him. I don;t agree with much of what he says, but I know beyond the shadow of a doubt that he is incredibly smart. He always has interesting perspectives on the top issues, and he presents them in a way that is respectful and insightful. That creates what I think of as intelligent discussion.

Now, I know that Dr. Maddow doesn't always have the luxury of intelligent guests, but she has a knack of keeping her cool with whomever she interviews. I'm sure that she sees friendly debate with the opposition as mentally stimulating. I just wish that there could be more news talk shows with hosts with a demeanor like hers.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 03:41 AM
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72. Agreed
Frum suffers from the mental illness afflicting almost all Republicans, thought disorders compounded by loose associations resulting in uncontrollable lies spewing out like projectile vomit. Frums need a good punch in the face every time he starts bullshitting. With pain comes awareness.
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think4yourself Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 07:25 AM
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85. Wow!
That is so well-said. Thank you!
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dhpgetsit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:29 PM
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35. Where was the "concern" 4, 8, or 12 years ago?
He's a whining self-serving twit. Call a waaaaambulance.
I savor and relish in his misery.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:48 PM
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44. To call the wahham-bulance
Edited on Mon Oct-13-08 11:55 PM by rocknation
dial "whine-one-one!"


rocknation
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:31 PM
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36. He wanted to pick a fight. He really wanted to start something,
and it looks like he wasn't expecting to get such a calm reception from her.

Unimportant point: Does David Frum have a neck? He looks like he has osteoporosis.
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:39 PM
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40. I'm glad she had him on. Rachel can handle herself just fine. She doesn't want to debate push overs
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:42 PM
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42. bitter loser asshole, why doesn't the fucker join the military ?
i wish they would raise the enlistment age so these coward assholes could join.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 10:14 AM
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110. He has other priorities...
like staying home and crying in his beer because the Republican party and the Bush administration which he backed so energetically and with such enthusiasm have so totally, completely and undeniably FUCKED UP in a big way and made him and the rest of his neocons pals look like like the bunch of inept, warmongering, know-nothing arseholes they really are.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:57 PM
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46. Cannot see their own hypocrisy.Saying don't call me a terrorist is the same as the guy calling you
a terrorist???Noting when Palin lies and McCain inci8tes violence makes you as bad as them for criticizing them for doing it??? Nonsense.
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SanchoPanza Donating Member (410 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:57 PM
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47. Commissar Frum can kindly go fuck himself.
"(Paleoconservatives) have made common cause with the left-wing and Islamist antiwar movements in this country and in Europe. They deny and excuse terror. They espouse a potentially self-fulfilling defeatism. They publicize wild conspiracy theories. And some of them explicitly yearn for the victory of their nation's enemies.... War is a great clarifier. It forces people to take sides. The paleoconservatives have chosen and the rest of us must choose too. In a time of danger, they have turned their backs on their country. Now we turn our backs on them."

Triumphalists are always cowards in the end.
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funnymanpants Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 12:11 AM
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49. Frum a massive hypocrite
Thanks for looking up that quote. I was looking for quotes myself.

Look, everyone, forget how Rachel handled him or not. The gross hypocrisy of Frum almost defies absurdity. While Bush ran the most divisive government ever, shutting down all reasonable discourse, what did Frum do? He wrote Bush's speeches! He penned articles and editorials accusing those of who did not agree with him as being enemies to America. He wrote a book defending the Iraq war, a war clearly based on lies.

After doing all that, he accuses Maddow of coarsening the discourse? My guess is that Frum is not serious, that he still plays the neo-con, willing to tell lies and to dissemble in order to further his political goals.
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nugzie Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:45 AM
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55. that is an excellent point you make
too bad Rachel didnt call him on that. but thats okay. I was watching it and wasnt sure if he was actually being a snotnose at first or what. and then it became obvious he was. she did so well though. she didn't flinch! how dare he accuse of her not taking things seriously when all O'Reilly and Hannity can do is scream at their own guests, and about nonsense. Rachel's the best, she is!!
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 12:14 AM
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50. I find it hillarious that Frum and the other losers like him want
to play nice now that they are getting their asses kicked all over the place. They had complete control over everything, they shouted people down, they openly mocked the Democratic Party members and anyone who dared speak out against their plans for world dominination.

Fuck him and the rest of his pals....

Rachel held her own and called him to the carpet....he is a coward!


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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 12:25 AM
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51. Okay, are we gonna hear from more Republican grown ups now?
Edited on Tue Oct-14-08 12:26 AM by MrMickeysMom
... cause if Frum is any example, get your layette out and bring a shit load of PAMPERS!!!!111!!!
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dgauss Donating Member (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 12:32 AM
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52. Rachel Maddow is part of the Axis of Sarcasm?
Edited on Tue Oct-14-08 12:36 AM by dgauss
Thank you David Frum for alerting us to this danger.

Crap. That was sarcasm. I'm probably on a list somewhere now.
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 05:02 PM
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156. :-)
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 12:34 AM
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53. T H A T is how it is done. holy SHIT Rachel.
"Thanks for being on the show David. Oh by the way, here's your ass."

Olberman couldn't have done that, bless his heart, because his head would have exploded in the process.

Rachel Maddow is brilliant.

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Lena inRI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:12 AM
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54. Frum IS what his name means. . .by golly!
"The word "frum" can have other specific meanings depending on the context in which it is used. Often the terms frum and frei indicate one's social associations as much as his/her actual religious commitment.

Someone who is extremely frum or devout is known as a frummer. This term is generally used in a positive sense if he/she is frum "unto themselves" but does not force their frumness (frumkeit) on others.

"Frummer" can also have a negative connotation similar to "Hasid Shotah" (pious idiot), which is how the Talmud describes a man who sees a woman drowning, but will not save her lest he touch her. A frummer in that sense refers to someone who is more concerned with the technical aspects of religious achievement and displays outward signs of religiosity, but lacks a sense of ethics and/or respect for his fellow man; in other words someone who has their priorities mixed up with no sense of proportion. In this vein, the word "frum" has been said to be an acronym for "fiel rishus un veinig mitzvos" "much wickedness and few mitzvos." (See Backronym.)

Unlike the Yiddish word "ehrlich" ("honest") which also means "pious", and is always used in a positive sense; the word "frum" can be used in a negative sense for: "hypocritically pious", "holier-than-thou", "sanctimonious"; or in a positive sense for: "pious", "devout", "God-fearing" and "upright". A combination is sometimes used to describe someone as "frum and ehrlich", which captures all the positive attributes of these words and would roughly mean "upright" or "righteous" (tzadik). . . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frum

IOW. . .What a pompous ass!


And. . .Rachel Maddow was superbly relentless in exposing FRUM'S true-to-name self!

K U D O S R A C H E L !

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
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nugzie Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:46 AM
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56. haha wow
that's amazing. good find!
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 03:32 AM
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71. Thanks for that info. It is very interesting...really...
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 10:39 AM
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112. Lena - good work! Educational and fun!
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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:49 AM
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57. It's annoying as hell when assholes like Frum who wrote the crap for the Iraq war
that spewed from Bush's mouth start quoting Ghandi. Ghandi would have nothing to do with this man or any of the neocons. Rachel held her own and made him look an ass so good for her. She's top notch.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:56 AM
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58. He is sexist in his attitude.
He reminds me of the prospective boss who, during a job interview after I finished law school, said to me that he just did not think that I looked like I could read a balance sheet. I had written grants and done the budgets for a good-sized non-profit with properties and projects worth millions for years. I could not believe that a man could be so foolish as to assume that he is so superior for any reason.

This Frum is stuck on himself, arrogant. After 8 years of the divisiveness and hate-mongering of the Bush administration speeches (not to mention the partisan finger-pointing of the Clinton years), some of which he apparently wrote, he has a lot of nerve criticizing Rachel Maddow. Her wit must really hit home for him.

Of course, the people at the American Enterprise Institute with which Frum is apparently affiliated must really be embarrassed right now. They were so sure that their economic theories were the cure for all that ails the world -- and just look where they have led us. What is trickling down is not prosperity and happy days but bankruptcy and defeat for Republicans in the November election. Frum as much as admitted it.

I guess I should feel sorry for Frum. Like the emperor, he and his right-wing friends have been caught without their clothes on.
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 02:16 AM
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60. Oh she is SO my hero.
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Piewhacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 02:20 AM
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62. Frum is a perfect example...
Edited on Tue Oct-14-08 02:21 AM by Piewhacket
of what we mean by 'repuke garbage', and shows why a 'dialog'
with such garbage would be unproductive.

I was especially unfavorably impressed with his unprovoked
personal attacks directed at Rachael.

In the end he evaded discussing the subject of the interview entirely
by claiming he was uninformed and stupid.

And he dared mention Wolfowitz? That other piece of neo-con garbage?
Why would Rachel want anything from that discredited twit.

Their eight years are OVER. Into the trash
can of discredited ideas and repulsive people with them!


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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 02:22 AM
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63. 'I couldn't disagree with you more about...'
That's a great way in for her...(sans screaming)

and then the smile, and the dagger.

And the polite thanks for coming on the show.

Yes!!
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 02:31 AM
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64. Republican S.O.P. ... just like the bully finally getting his comeuppance ...
... calling uncle, and saying we should all just get along.

Or maybe I missed Frum's apology for the emotional "Axis of Evil" soundbite and his responsibility in creating our country's culture of fear. Truthfully, I was a little surprised that Rachel didn't lay into Frum for his responsibility in our current situation.
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concerned canadian Donating Member (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 02:35 AM
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65. his axel of evilness comes from intense envy of his mother
Edited on Tue Oct-14-08 02:37 AM by concerned canadian
Barabara Frum, a iconic Canadian television journalist who eventually had her own self-titled show and given the Order of

Canada. Rumour has it that her personal political views were more liberal than her budding fascist-minded son. She

died of leukemia at age 54, but the stress and disappointment of having a son like that must had her praying for

death.

Another thing, that struck me when I first heard that David Frum, a Canadian right wing idiot, was writing speeches

for the POTUS??? I mean, did that have to get out-sourced too? I see from his Wiki that he wasn't even a Naturalized

Citizen while he was writing those blatant lies.

So glad Rachel called him out.

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travelingtypist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 02:38 AM
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66. "Your little responsibility"???
What. The. Fuck???

He says we all need to be nice and then he insults the host?
Only in Republicanland.

:puke:
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 02:39 AM
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67. he is such a prick! n/t
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:59 PM
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140. it would be interesting if she had on Wolfowitz
she would kick him to the curb too.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 04:11 AM
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151. yes, but i don't think i could stand to watch another one of "those"
people on her show--at least not in the too near future.
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notthatone Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 02:47 AM
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68. oh man a few points.
for one, his idiocy couldn't be more potent. i need not go on with that comment.

second off, the democrats have no scope on the problems we face in the future? what about 9-11 and the current fiasco currently facing our economy. what about the easy to see failure of no child left behind? seems the republican track record is as faulty as the hanging chads in Florida.

thirdly, and finally, he was a former speech writer for Bush. his job for years was to avoid the point to try to drive a silly, one-sided view home. he's part of the reason there is zero confidence in the government at the moment.

oh, and kill them and bomb obama? you know, it would've been ironic had Maverick died at the end of Top Gun...
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 03:16 AM
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69. There's a new "serious" in town shit head!
And we're not hanging out at the AEI. Good bye Frum. You and you're ilk are finished.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 03:30 AM
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70. Does his face remind you of anything???
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davidlynch Donating Member (461 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 04:54 AM
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74. That was impressive, she is so damn good at that--she tells the truth!
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 05:01 AM
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75. Well done Rachel, as for David Frum he is the epitome of the conservative whiner
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 05:52 AM
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76. My Name is David Frum, and By Golly, People Like Me!
This individual is on the verge of a nervous breakdown. He better be, cause if this is an example of the constituents of a Republican think tank, the GOP is turning into warm Jello.

That in my opinion is a good thing, and I wish them the best of luck in the institution.

These losers are running very scared.
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corkhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 06:04 AM
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77. that dumbass needs to have this conversation with billow, hammity, and limpballs.
they are responsible for discourse being where it is, not Rachel.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 06:11 AM
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78. Attn. David Frum
If you are going for a "battle of wits" .... avoid
the Rhode's Scholars ..... they tend to be smart.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 06:21 AM
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79. She's excellent. What an asset to the media...finally. n/t
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Android3.14 Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 06:49 AM
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82. He quoted Gandhi?
That's a new one.
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 06:51 AM
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83. Yeah, he did. He said, "Be the change you want to see in the world"
- what a squirrel.

:evilfrown:
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 03:22 PM
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142. And Tah Dah....we are living through the change he wanted to be.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 06:59 AM
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84. Thanks for the lecture Frum now go crawl back under the rock you came from.
How dare any of these people lecture the left ON ANYTHING! Right wing hate radio has gone off a cliff and it's taken the lemmings with them. Their greatest weapon has blown up in their faces and it's nobody's fault but their own. Now this ass hat wants to lecture the left on divisiveness! Ha! Bite me Frum you scumbag! Tell it to Limbaugh & Coulter & Malkin & Beck & Savage & O'Reilly & Hannity & Dr. Laura and the never ending list of lesser hate radio wannabes that fill up the airwaves of this country from coast to coast 24 hours a day 7 days a week. Tell it to the pseudo-Christian preachers that in the name of Jesus Christ, harangue their feeble minded flocks with the same brand of despicable bigoted hate from the pulpits and studios of their mega-churches all across America.
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 07:42 AM
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86. you are so right
Rachel handled him with class but I wish she'd mentioned FIXED news and hate radio.

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Caretha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:01 AM
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87. He tried to use the ol' tactic
like children do, who get caught misbehaving, by pointing the finger at the other sibling and saying "he/she did it too". It is called misdirection. I also got the impression that he was saying, "we got caught acting out, could you just lay-off and not talk about it, it's making us look bad".
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proReality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:07 AM
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88. Give the man credit where credit is due
He had his talking point and he stuck to it.

Don't hold it against him that he was born without a sense of humor, the ability to laugh at himself and his party, or the mentality to see the difference between sarcasm and hate speech. It's a genetic thing. :shrug:
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D23MIURG23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:16 AM
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90. She handled herself quite well.
That obnoxious weasil would have been irritating to deal with.
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:25 AM
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93. That guy scares me.
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:39 AM
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94. What a professional she is. Talk about substantive and uplifting.
He's trying to drag it down and attack her show, repeatedly. She is unbelievably good, unbelievably in control of herself.
Such a contrast to the persistent anger and hatred coming from the so-called news anchors on the right.

Wow.
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bongbong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:54 AM
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97. ASDF
Q: How do you tell a rePIG knows Obama is going to win?
A: They start whining about "fairness", "niceness", etc, since they know they won't be running the political dialogue over the next 4 years.

Tell this whining baby to go on Oxy Limpballs' show and whine to him about his incredible hate-fest.

rePIGS: children, ignorant, and proud of it!
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 09:02 AM
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98. What an asshat!
David Frum is officially a WATB
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 09:13 AM
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101. Oh, boo hoo! Now the repukes are the victim? Ludicrous.
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feemee Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 09:27 AM
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102. What a nob
What an intelligent woman, so refreshing, the American media need more like her. And Frum is a first class Dickhead.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 09:41 AM
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103. He sounds like a typical NPR liberal, actually. Most listeners of NPR
and the BBC, et al, have told me they don't care for MSNBC's shows like KO and now Rachel Maddow, because they prefer more "serious" shows, just the news, etc. I have yet to hear a conservative make such an argument, and frankly, I welcome it. I mean, this is after all, a Fox News & right wing talk radio phenomenon. Keith's and Rachel's shows are rarely mean spirited, but they are a lot more about politics than issues. However, they would never exist if Fox News didn't exist.

I think David Frum has woken from his 8 year slumber, looked around, and doesn't like what he sees. Well, if he really wanted to be extra courageous, he would now go on Fox News and bring the same message. I doubt he would be allowed to talk, the way Rachel let him talk on her show.

I thought it was an interesting conversation. Unlike many bloggers, I don't see how Rachel smacked him down. She sounded defensive to me. Frankly, I wouldn't mind if she went a little more high browed on her show.
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husky92 Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 09:43 AM
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104. Frum(py!)
Boy, talk about a boring ass hole. I watched that interview and I wish Maddow would have dumped more crap on him. Condescending to the nth degree. I know Rachel had more important things to discuss but I wish she had pulled out both guns and leveled this ass. Talk about a typical Republican...a boring white guy who probably joined the Young Republicans in junior high and kept a photo of Ronald Reagan on his wall growing up. A perfect guy to carry a sport coat for someone like Cheney or Wolfowitz. What is with these guys! He'll get his come uppance on Nov. 4th.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 12:32 PM
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124. I feel the same way
but, she doesn't want guests to be too intimidated by her, otherwise they might not agree to be on her show! Republicans are scared to be on her show, already.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 09:51 AM
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106. arrogant,condescending, jerk who hates women, gays and thinks she is
undeserving of her own show.

His hatred ooozed out of every fiber of his being.

I have heard Frum said some true things about McCain Palin and I recall another time when I was shocked to hear him say the truth about Bush (I think it was about Bush) but last night he was disgusting.

And the call US elitist?

WTF?????
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 10:09 AM
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107. the man that coined the absurd provocation "axis of evil" is lecturing Maddow on civil discourse?
Is he kidding?
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 10:10 AM
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108. "former speech writer" Frum was fired because his wife boasted about his "axis of evil" line
in a Bush speech.

Wolfowitz!???!? :rofl:
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peequod Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 10:24 AM
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111. If any one would know how to spot an actor or in Palin's case, a mimic...
..it would be the inimitable, Sir John. He has this amazing ability, lately, to just pop up in the political roughhouse, throw a dead aimed beanball at Republican fatuousness, and then disappear.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 11:03 AM
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113. He so unfortunate. The word namby-pamby comes to me. Or 'Woe is me'. And
Edited on Tue Oct-14-08 11:05 AM by higher class
the poultry references are really interesting - but following that reference someone else said Rachel doesn't let him ruffle her feathers.

He does look like he is jerking his head out like a chicken. The unfortunate part is that his eyebrows turn down and the way he directs his words to the side and the tendency to whine - it all supports the 'woe is me' and 'woe are the Republicans' because of all the dirty things Dems do to the Republicans. He is all about appearing intellectual and superior, but his business is all about spreading hate and twisting reality - while maintaining an expectation that Republicans should be treated reverently (no matter what amount of death and debt they cause and the entire range of things they destroy - voting systems, soverign nations, Constitution, Bill of Rights, treaties, reputations, family health and the basics of life for some, veterans care, foreign relations, emergency follow through).

She listens, but doesn't allow his or others rubbish - she slows down the calculated twists of reality they are always spreading.

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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 11:09 AM
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114. More BS from Frum....
it's what he is paid to do....
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jjr5 Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 11:17 AM
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116. Slime
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onlyadream Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 11:38 AM
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117. Yikes! How uncomfortable!
Now, can Frum go on O'Reilly and give him the same?
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 11:39 AM
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118. I wish she had mentioned that Paul Wolfiwitz was wrong about
everything about the war and most of his PNAC stance.
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DirtyDawg Donating Member (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 11:42 AM
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119. What a weasel...
...Here's a guy who was at the core of the worst administration in history and is saying that a Democratic Administration, combined with a Democratic Congress, would be bad for the country. I mean how in hell much worse could we get compared to the pricks that Frum has been an enabler and scribe for? Wish Ms. Maddow had called him on that, then again she did pretty well as is...and she didn't even have to bring up Faux and the whole array of rightwing radio talkees that have, and continue to, rial the pot from the right.

As for Wolfowitzhisname. I would have loved for her to have said something like, 'When you talk about Wolfie, how else do you deal with the man that has been so wrong about so many things, including his girl-friend thing, who now believes that what we need is still more nuclear weapons on top of the thousands, or is it tens-of-thousands, that we already have? He's a joke and the more we try to make sure the country sees him as such, the better.
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ArmeniansForObama Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 11:53 AM
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121. He didn't even acknowledge her Olive branch at the end...
When Maddow said 'I hope you enjoyed being on the show anyway', he just grimaced and squeezed out a painful 'thank you'.
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 12:08 PM
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122. A photo response to David Frum
"We are seeing an intensification of the ugliness of tone in politics, this show is an example with it's...sneering....and heavy sarcasm"



Piss off you miserable hypocrite.


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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 05:09 PM
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146. ...
:thumbsup:
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 12:32 PM
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123. Rachel Maddow Rocks!
:kick:
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:12 PM
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129. He looks like he lost his dog......
....and needs to take a dump.

Poor David Bum.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:14 PM
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130. SFL
So fucking lame.
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TEXASYANKEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:16 PM
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131. Rachel Maddow is a breath of fresh air.
An educated, articulate, intelligent, charming, gracious breath of fresh air. I actually enjoyed her dialogue with Frum (a man I loathe) because she directed the conversation, did not back down, and made sure that there was no yelling or interruptions. What a change from most talk shows!

I loved her comment to Frum re:Wolfowitz that since McSame's campaign has only made one person available to her **for 3 minutes** that she didn't hold out hope that Wolfowitz would come on her show. I LOVE that she made it plain that these people are simply unwilling, for whatever reason, to appear on her show.

Rachel, if you're reading this, WE LOVE YOU!!!!
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:24 PM
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132. Mr AXIS of Evil ain't happy!!!!
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:27 PM
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133. Rachel did great this man oozes poison out of his mouth
he hates being on a losing side

they did not expect their program of hatred to fail

He reminds me of Glauraung the dragon that was evil that was he was attacked even when is mortally wounded and racked revenge
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:29 PM
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134. He looked like somebody pissed in his Cheerios
He came off creepy, I've seen him before where he wasn't nearly as weird.

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geardaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:30 PM
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135. Frum quoting Gandhi?
Oooh, that's rich.

:puke:
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:50 PM
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137. Rachel Dr. Maddow kicked him to the curb.
yes, what a jerk he was. Chip on his shoulder perhaps.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:51 PM
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138. Rachel sliced, diced and pulverized this windbag. THIS is the future of truth in media.
Edited on Tue Oct-14-08 01:55 PM by seafan
And it's been a vast and lifeless desert of nothing but lies from a right-wing owned and controlled media, until now. None of these greedy, self-centered egomaniacs will survive a visit with Rachel.


David Frum on Maddow-10_13_08 YouTube 8:09


To this date, Nancy Pfotenhauer is the only one from the McCain camp to agree to an interview with Rachel Maddow. Pfotenhauer lasted all of three minutes.



And one for you, Rush.



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WoodyD Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:52 PM
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139. I was cheering when I watched last night.
I love how Rachel didn't let him get by with it. "Sure, people are threatening Obama at McCain rallies, but you sometimes say funny things so you're just as bad." Huh? What an ass, and Rachel called him on it and wouldn't let him slide. Rachel rocks.
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chloesmom Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 03:26 PM
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143. I wrote to Rachel at MSNBC
Here's what I wrote to rachel@msnbc.com . I hope lots of people wrote in to support her!

Dear Rachel,

Thank you for keeping your cool and handling Frum's condescension with class and directness. What a pompous asshat! What a snob! Exactly what I have come to expect from the National Review.

This guy used to write speeches for GEORGE BUSH. He has no business pretending to be the serious "adult" on your show. He used to make his living spit-polishing turds for the dumbest (P)resident in the White House to regurgitate in public. He WISHES he had your brains and class.

I could not believe he had the temerity to ridicule you, his host, to your face, and obviously with no prior warning. I have never seen such rude behavior on a talk show by an invited guest - that's right, I don't watch Fox News. I was so proud of the way you went right after his false equivalences and knocked his arguments down to the ground and stomped on them. And then graciously thanked him for appearing on your show.

I would gladly kick this guy in the shins for you if it would give you any satisfaction. I know it would make ME feel a whole lot better.
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 04:00 PM
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144. He was pretty obnoxious, and I was glad to see Maddow stand up to him and throw it back at him....
Edited on Tue Oct-14-08 04:01 PM by George II
....quite frankly she made him look foolish.

Plain and simple - SHE won the "debate", hands down.

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namvet73 Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 04:27 PM
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145. Oh, now he wants US to play "nice?"
BRING BACK THE FAIRNESS DOCTRINE of broadcasting.

I'm sure he wouldn't want to do that.

Since when do the the Republicans play "nice?"

Jerk!
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 05:53 PM
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147. Hi Rachel!
Keep up the fine work! :hi:
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Johnboi70 Donating Member (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 05:56 PM
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148. Rachel is awesome...
I think she's very nice and jerks like Frum take that as weakness. I couldn't believe how rude he was criticizing her humor as inappropriate. What an ass.
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Doodler71 Donating Member (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 06:09 PM
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149. They are trying in everyway to avoid calling it what it is....
Hate filled race based attacks.

They are race baiting and they know it and yet they try to avoid calling it by it's real name.
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 12:37 AM
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150. FRUM is a Punk and a coward
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 08:31 AM
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152. I wonder if Frum has been making similar appearances on O'Reilly, Limbaugh, and Hannity.
... telling them that their tone is not constructive.

I have no idea if he is or not. I wonder how it would play.
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Serial Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 09:24 AM
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153. They never bring that up! Since 1992 when Clinton won
Edited on Wed Oct-15-08 09:25 AM by cmt928
the RIGHT WING TALK SHOWS have been fueling hate and negativism, making each of them millionaires and giving them name recognition, yet when a couple shows FINALLY make it on air dealing with facts that point out that the "right" has been messing up this country for years, THEN THEY DON'T LIKE HEARING SARCASM!


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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:17 AM
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154. Wow... the RW owns the youtube comments sections, don't they? (nt)
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 05:06 PM
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157. so is he going on the non-serious right-wing shows to complain? or just hers?
he complains about her topics and guests when he's one of them?

Complains about tone and then proceeds to disrespect the host and change the subject?

Cognitive dissonance there - his brain can't keep that up, can it?
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 05:07 PM
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158. He's lying when he says that the candidate can't hear the shouts
There are several shots of McCain clearly reacting to people shouting epithets. He makes a face and continues his rabble-rousing.
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obamatowin Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 06:43 PM
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159. She's great.
But she let him talk a lot.
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obamachangetheworld Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 02:08 AM
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160. that bloviating fool
He's not dissapointed in the campaign McCain is running, he's disappointed the Repubs are losing. Funny whenever the GOP is losing, they talk about "elevating" the discourse -more like they want democrats to roll over and give them a free pass. Frum's a douche.
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gtar100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 03:57 AM
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161. Rachel has class, intelligence and fortitude.
Frum, on the other hand, came across as an arrogant prick. Maybe he's one of the few neo-cons who actually sees the debasement of their party as a detriment, but they can't get that "liberal = bad" mantra out of their heads long enough to breath the clean air of a liberated mind. His "sophisticated" argument was nothing more than the adult version of a whiny, little boy saying "you did it too!!". My god, can't these people just go away? Anything to get away from their constant fuck-ups and refusal to take responsibility for the consequences.

Rachel is a true star - depth, integrity, and joyfulness all in one person.
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