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The Night Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:26 PM
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Audio of a sermon by Bishop Muthee:
 
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:33 PM
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1. Let's see if there is a Bishop Muthee question in the VP debate...
Edited on Sun Sep-21-08 11:33 PM by Eric J in MN
...like Obama had to answer Rev. Wright and Louis Farakhan questions in one of the primary debates.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 12:52 AM
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2. Until now, I did not believe in the Anti-Christ. But I think I just saw him.
Wow! That is horrible, and it has nothing, not a thing in this world to do with Christianity or Jesus' teaching of love and compassion and forgiveness.

This "preacher" is not a Christian.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 01:08 AM
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4. Yes, he is
Now you can say he's not, in your opinion, a very good Christian... but a Christian he is.
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dhpgetsit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 09:26 AM
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7. No, I don't count him as a Christian.
He may think he is one, but Christ said "Blessed are the peacemakers".
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 02:13 AM
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5. Yes these words are entirely different from the Christian arguments used for the Inquisition
and the Missions of Death and cultural destruction that have spanned the last couple thousand years.

Gotta take the good with the bad I'm afraid.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 02:39 AM
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11. Those events happened only after the takeover of the Catholic
Church by Charlemagne. They have nothing to do with the actual teachings of Jesus. The original Christians did not proselytize by the sword. The first crucifix with a dying Jesus on it is from some time around 800 B.C. Prior to that time, the cross was not a symbol of blood and conquest.

Here is an interesting article on this subject:


The Eucharist in ancient churches was celebrated as the feast of life, not as the reenactment of a death. As the leaders prepared, the people greeted one another in peace and reconciliation by clasping hands, embracing, or kissing. Then the great offertory processional began. Members brought gifts to support the church and offered foods for the Eucharist meal. Bread was universally served, but so were other fruits of the harvest. Bishop Hippolytus of Rome (170–236) explained, “In offering fruits, roses and lilies, the believer was celebrating the goodness of God who had given them to him. He read the names of God in the fruits of the earth, and God read the homage of love in the heart of the offerer.” Some churches included olive oil, olives, fresh milk, cheese curds dressed with honey, grilled fish, salt, water, or wine as well. Red meat was universally banned, reflecting a Christian desire to avoid associations with Roman animal sacrifices. When the Eucharist liturgies referred to sacrifice, they called it “bloodless,” which meant that prayer was their holy sacrifice.

. . . .

Tragically, in Christianity’s second millennium the Crucifixion expelled paradise from earth. After searching in vain for images of Jesus’s dead body in the ancient churches of the Mediterranean, we found the corpse of Jesus in northern Europe, in a side chapel of the enormous Gothic cathedral in Cologne, Germany. There, among the mottled light and shadows, hangs the Gero Cross, the earliest surviving crucifix, sculpted from oak in Saxony around 965.
. . . .

What brought about these changes? Why did Christians turn from a vision of paradise in this life to a focus on the Crucifixion and final judgment? How did images of terror, torture, and the desolation of the earth come to permeate the religious imagination of Western Christianity?

A thousand years after Jesus, the brutal logic of empire twisted the celebration of his life into a perpetual reenactment of his death. The Gero Cross was carved by descendents of the Saxons, baptized against their will by the Holy Roman Emperor Charlemagne during a three-decade campaign of terror. Charlemagne’s armies slaughtered all who resisted, destroyed shrines representing the Saxons’ tree of life, and deported 10,000 Saxons from their land. Pressed by violence into Christian obedience, the Saxons produced art that bore the marks of their baptism in blood.
http://www.uuworld.org/ideas/articles/107992.shtml
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 01:03 AM
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3. Good grief, Palin welcomes this man who preaches violence
accepts his prayings over her and considers him a man of God. Unbelievable! She is even more warped than I thought.
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bulloney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 05:14 AM
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6. So, Sarah Palin gets spiritual guidance from Daffy Duck?
Tho dithpicable!!
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Crowman1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 10:50 AM
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8. So wolfman jack reincarnated into this guy?
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major debacle Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 12:05 PM
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9. Video of Pastor Muthee's witch hunt
I would appreciate if someone could give this video its own thread here at DU. I am new and I don't have enough text posts to post a video. I am the original uploader of this video to YouTube, as well as the video that is posted in this thread.

"That was AWESOME, Pastor Muthee"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clIJ-VyvkNg

This being the story of Pastor Muthee's spiritual battle with the witch, Mama Jane in Kiambu, Kenya, produced by The Sentinel Group, with a short preface by Sarah Palin.

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The complete sermon from which the video in this thread is an extract can be found here:

Guarding Your Field
http://www.kingsgateuk.com/Media/Player.aspx?media_id=220&file_id=280

This sermon was given at Kingsgate Church in Kingsgate, Scotland in 2004. Another sermon, given the same day can be heard here:

Guarding Your Well
http://www.kingsgateuk.com/Media/Player.aspx?media_id=219&file_id=279

Links to both these sermons can be found on this page (search page for "muthhee". it's big.)

Download Sunday Messages
http://www.kingsgateuk.com/Articles/3516/Kingsgate_Community_Church/Resources/Teaching/Download_Sunday_Messages.aspx

Also, I don't know how much longer it will be valid, but here is a link to Bishop Muthee's preaching schedule at Sarah Palin's Wasilla Assembly of God church for this past weekend and today. Yes, they still love this guy.

Breaking News: Bishop Muthee Returns to Valley for Three Days!
http://wasillaag.org/index.php?s=au&nid=3731&news_id=8066
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The Night Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 09:23 PM
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10. In the sermon titled Guarding Your Field, Mr. Muthee tells a bizarre story...
At about 16:30 of Service 2, Mr. Muthee recounts meeting a woman who told him that her prayers resurrected a dead child brought to some sort of prayer meeting in Bolivia. Muthee professes his faith in the woman’s account and declares that he longs for the kind prayer meeting she spoke of. Weird stuff.

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The Night Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 10:40 AM
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12. Kick!
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