A new low in Clinton bashing,

[ElsewheresDaughter]

Run time: 07:34 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3U0df0qGoA   Posted on YouTube: May 27, 2008 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: May 29, 2008 By DU Member: ElsewheresDaughter Views on DU: 2630

 
Joan Walsh spoke for so many of us. So even if you saw it before, watch it again.

[jgraz]

1. How dare some people not swallow Hillary's post-hoc spin on her obscene comments!!

That's just so mean!! How dare they pick on a girl like that!!!! Don't they know that it's a woman's prerogative to change her mind?? How can anyone expect a ditzy blonde like Hillary to actually understand the words that are coming out of her mouth???


Edit to add for irony-impaired Hillary supporters.

[Cant trust em]

15. Aren't you supposed to be on a train to somewhere? NT

[sallyseven]

37. How dare you misconstrue what

she said. Chris matthews must have searched the air ways to get a jerk like that to help him bash Hillary. The only people that listen to him are black Obama people. Chris Matthews knows that it wasn't a hit on the assassination but as legitimate statement that many candidates went into June before her. He is a rat and should just shut his fking mouth. I hate him and most of the jelly fish on this forum. Another preacher bites the dust. Think they can get away with bad talk because they do it in a church.

[jgraz]

39. "The only people that listen to him are black Obama people"

Yes, if only those hard-working white people listened to him, it would be ok.

Don't you have a cross to set on fire?

[grannylib]

2. I'd agree that it was simply a poor choice of words if it were the

only time she had referenced the assassination. As it was noted, all she would have had to do was to say, "Bobby Kennedy didn't wrap up the nomination until June" and there would have been NO problem. But since she'd used that same phrase before, referencing the assassination (and if you listen carefully to the comments she made, the word "assassinated" was clearly emphasized as she was speaking) I do have a hard time chalking this one up to a careless moment, or weariness, or whatever.
Just as with the sniper story, it was not a 'one time only' comment; it does make it difficult to write it off so casually.
Please understand, I'm not trying to pick a fight with you; just offering a different perspective.

[iconicgnom]

26. Once again, Hillary's campaign chooses to blame Obama.

Is there a case where she screws up and *doesn't* blame Obama, where she simply explains that she's sorry that she made a boneheaded choice of words - and used the opportunity to clarify her meaning, to clarify the reasoning behind her decision to continue the campaign even though many say her position is hopeless. Is there a case where she takes the positive route, then with the correction done turns her attention to tearing down the McCain myth? I don't think so. If she did, she'd rise in my estimation.

But no, she and her campaign, with Mary Walsh in this instance giving voice to it, have decided to use this occasion as just another platform for smearing Obama. That's what I think sux big time. That's what I disrespect Mary Walsh for - because it doesn't make for good Democratic politics, whether Walsh or Clinton engage in it.

[Ian David]

3. I've always wanted to have sex with Erin Gray.

Oh, yeah.

That's the stuff.

[Brundle_Fly]

8. man, when I was 12

I too wanted this.

[MercutioATC]

9. Oh yeah...ever since "Silver Spoons" when I was a kid.

[Poll_Blind]

10. Don't diss her work on Silver Spoons. God, that woman was like a....

...fire at a chemical plant.

  I hear she's an accomplished chef, specializing in Norwegian folk cooking. Sometimes, when nobody's here, I imagine I'm chomping down on her lutefisk.

  Day-um, did somebody turn up the heat in here?

PB

[uberllama42]

13. Eww. That has to be the grossest sexual euphemism I have ever heard

Lutefisk is just nasty.

[Poll_Blind]

16. You've not lived until you've danced with a woman who smelt of lye! n/t

PB

[EnviroBat]

36. I spanked it my first time to those pictures...

Ahhh youth. Thanks for posting those, I'm off to the broom closet.

[speedoo]

38. Could someone explain the Erin Grant connection...

to this thread?

Just curious, thanks.

[liberalhistorian]

4. She sure as hell didn't speak for this woman or for

most of the other women I know. She's totally wrong and once again makes the same tired old excuses for the Queen. One more time. This was no "accidental" choice of words, no "poor judgment" involved at all. She knew exactly what she was saying. The Clintons rarely say anything by "accident", they're too smart. She just misjudged the reaction this time. If this were a one-time thing then it might be different. But this is the FOURTH time she's made such a statement in the past few months. Once is a possible mis-statement, or accidental poor judgment. More than once is, quite simply, a tactic.

And as Joe Madison said, there has not been a presidential candidate in this cycle who has required such early Secret Service protection and who has been subjected to such "jokes" about "something happening" to him. The Huckabee NRA "joke", the magazine cover with him in the crosshairs of a gun, etc. She and Bill are going to destroy this party and throw it under the bus if they don't stop their shit. And what's sad is that they don't care. They don't care what happens to the party if they don't get their way.

[Bette Noir]

20. Does anyone know of a small, uninhabited island

that we could make Hillary the empress of? She could have what she wants, unquestioned authority, and we could have what we want, for her to go away.

[Ian David]

42. Make her Empress of West VirMichiKentuckida. n/t

[MercutioATC]

5. As an Obama supporter, I don't think she meant anything by it.

That said...and in all sincerity...I think Clinton says a lot of things (sometimes multiple times) that are abysmally stupid from a political point of view.

I've attributed this to her adherence to the political strategies of the past, but I'm open to commentary. I'd really like to understand why ANY political candidate would make SO many unwise statements in today's instant-access-to-real-information climate?

[Cant trust em]

14. This whole thing could have been smoothed over if Clinton would have listened to my mother.

HRC and my mom are about the same age, so theoretically had similar impressions of RFK's death. All Clinton would have needed to say was that Bobby's death and him winning the primary are so inextricably linked, that when talking about one event, she wound up talking about the other.

[Citizen_Penn]

32. It is her foot in mouth facility and her inability to accept

responsiblity for the foot in her own mouth (her own foot in her own mouth)

How in the world is that the fault of anyone other than the owner of said foot?

BTW, NO ONE is authorized to speak for this woman. No one other than me. And I will gladly claim my own foot.

I would have overlooked that verbal looseness in Hillary if she wasn't so eager to blame it on others.

Both qualities make her UNFIT to lead the United States.

Perhaps Bill likes that verbal abuse - me, one bitchy mother is more than enough for me.

Don't need Hillary, too.

[cornermouse]

6. "I got the email on Friday from Bill Burton making sure that

thousands of reporters saw the remarks and that they construed it in the way he wanted them to. I got the email from the Obama campaign saying that Keith Olberman's special comment on it."


That says it all.

[Cant trust em]

19. Yeah. This is disappointing.

It's not like Obama's campaign is the only one doing this, but it's not exactly practicing new politics.

[democracy1st]

25. how dare people over react after all the crap the Clinton campaign continues to pull

[iconicgnom]

27. Is there a link to this email?

If not, how do we know how Bill Burton represented the incident?
I don't take Mary Walsh's word for it because she has her own way of coloring the world which might be just as misrepresentative as Burton's. Walsh's word certainly is point for point the same as James Carville's, for instance, and as Carville explains, he's neither a reporter nor an unaligned journalist, he's a political operator.

Anyway, a link would be handy.

[cornermouse]

30. If I gave you a link to the email or to the other

journalists who have stated that they also received the email you wouldn't believe it so why would I spend my time trying to dance to your tune?

Answer: I'm not dancing. You should have enough intellectual curiosity to look for it yourself.

[iconicgnom]

41. What a spin!

You have no link! you haven't read this e-mail, and so you wouldn't know to what extent Walsh's interpretation might be plausible. Your ad hominem response is utterly worthless - and speaks only to your own prejudices.

[indimuse]

Exactly!!!!

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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Thu May-29-08 11:25 PM
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6. "I got the email on Friday from Bill Burton making sure that
thousands of reporters saw the remarks and that they construed it in the way he wanted them to. I got the email from the Obama campaign saying that Keith Olberman's special comment on it."


That says it all.




kikity!!!!

[indimuse]

Exactly!!!!

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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Thu May-29-08 11:25 PM
Response to Original message
6. "I got the email on Friday from Bill Burton making sure that
thousands of reporters saw the remarks and that they construed it in the way he wanted them to. I got the email from the Obama campaign saying that Keith Olberman's special comment on it."


That says it all.




kikity!!!!

[indimuse]

Exactly!!!!

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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Thu May-29-08 11:25 PM
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6. "I got the email on Friday from Bill Burton making sure that
thousands of reporters saw the remarks and that they construed it in the way he wanted them to. I got the email from the Obama campaign saying that Keith Olberman's special comment on it."


That says it all.




kikity!!!!

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[Brundle_Fly]

7. what is so low...?

the post is standard political talking heads.. I don't see the "new low" or what it might be you are posting this for.

explain./

[Poll_Blind]

11. I was expecting Joan Walsh to poke somebody and that didn't happen, either. n/t

PB

[ElsewheresDaughter]

18. lol thanks ..because of your post.....I caught it in time

[Poll_Blind]

21. Poof!

PB

[gateley]

12. I think this was the same type of tactic as

'as far as I know'. Just to get people wondering.

"Hmmm. What if something DOES happen to Obama...?"

I'm not saying she was hinting at assassination and I don't think it was meant to mean she was hanging on in case that happened.

Just inserting doubt into peoples' minds. And I have to think it was intentional, seeing how she cited that before.

[Cant trust em]

17. That's the new low?

I would have figured that insinuating that Clinton is a lesbian is a hell of a lot lower than this. This segment doesn't even come close to the bottom of the barrell.

[Bette Noir]

22. Joan Walsh disgusts me.

[Poll_Blind]

23. Her wild-eyed shrieking makes me think she's going to pull out a...

...letter-opener and just run bloodily amok until she trips over a camera cable or something.

PB

[Stardust]

24. Why does she seem so familiar to me?

[indimuse]

28. 778 views on DU and only ONE rec!

Very telling! K&R! I can't wait to get my hands on the 4 page Obama "Race Bait " Memos!!!

[JTFrog]

31. It sure is telling alright. Hurry up and get it out of your system. Time is almost up. n/t

[Citizen_Penn]

33. The large bodied lady is warming up as we type.

Agreed, the HRC lingerers better spew soon -

it's almost over.

tick, tick, tick.


It's like watching a lame football game - watching the clock run out.

[lilyannerose]

34. Perception, Perception, Perception

If so many folks in their homes had an immediate gut wrenching feeling upon hearing that statement by Hill she has only herself to blame.

[stlsaxman]

35. 1100 views on DU and only 3 Recs...

good to see we're tiring of this shit.

[jgraz]

40. Looks like those hard-working whites aren't the only ones who can hear the dogwhistle

You may argue whether Hillary herself believes her message, but Madison deconstructs EXACTLY what Hillary wanted her bitter Joe and Jane Sixpacks to take away from her comments: "It's my turn, don't let the scary black man shuck and jive his way to the White House and, hey, if anybody out there is so inclined... there's one sure way to keep Obama from the presidency. I'm just sayin... "