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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 12:13 AM
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From the movie "Recount", Joe Lieberman's capitulation to Bush lawyers
 
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Joe Lieberman and the Florida recount

The Jed Report Mon May 26

From Recount, here's the unfolding of Joe Lieberman's capitulation to Bush lawyers on counting unpostmarked,
undated, unsigned overseas ballots received after election day:


Overall, overseas ballots received after election day boosted Bush's total by 739 votes. (Gore actually lead Bush by 202 votes in the ballots cast and received on or before election day.) Of the 2,411 late ballots, 680 were later determined to have been illegally counted by The New York Times.

An analysis by Princeton and Harvard researchers found that if these 680 illegal ballots hadn't been counted, Bush's final margin would have been closer to 251 votes. That probably wouldn't have been a big enough difference to swing the election even if SCOTUS hadn't stopped the recount and nothing else had changed, but it does make it all the more clear that Al Gore actually received more votes than George Bush on election day -- even when you ignore GOP voter supression tactics or the butterfly ballot.

And in the context of the recount, it pretty much killed Gore's chances of winning. As Kevin Spacey says sarcastically at the end of the scene: "Thank you Joe Lieberman."

...more at the link



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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 12:15 AM
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1. I couldn't watch it. Did they have anything on the purge of black voters?
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 01:23 PM
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18. Yes. They explained it fairly well.
They didn't get into it all, though, and showed why the Gore campaign didn't raise the issue (because you can't get back votes that weren't ever cast).

But the preacher who wasn't allowed to vote was shown while Bush was thanking all those that did vote for him and "all those who didn't." GREAT moment.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 07:46 PM
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42. thanks--now I'll have to watch it. I stopped after it opened with stupid butterfly ballot shtick
I don't need to see what the MSM have already told us a million times.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 09:46 PM
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46. Oh, gosh, I liked that part.
It really illustrated the difficulty that the older Palm Beach residents had with the ballot. And when you combine that with Florida law cited later that states that votes should be counted when the clear intent of the voter can be determined... Even Pat Buchanan could determine the clear intent of those voters!

"The system worked," said James Baker close to the end. This movie shows clearly how the system does not work. And it still doesn't.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 02:32 PM
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25. I do not have HBO does anybody know where this film goes from here? nt
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 05:03 PM
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34. Most HBO original programming goes to DVD eventually...
I haven't heard any announcement of a release date for the DVD yet, but it is pretty much a 100% guarantee that it will be released eventually. My guess is it will probably be available sometime within the next year.
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 12:25 AM
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2. Mmmmm.....JOE-mentum!
Whatta weiner.
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progdonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 02:16 AM
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3. seriously, when are we going to kick that fucker out of the Party for good?
If (hopefully "when") the Bush administration is brought up on war crimes charges, Holy Joe needs to be there right along with them. He's a Republican--and an extreme one at that--and such a horrible excuse for a human being. He's worse than any of the Republicans, because at least they have the decency to stab us from the front. Hell, even Cheney shot that guy in the face, not the back.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 03:08 AM
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4. we could take him out if he wouldn't be the only fucking last hope
we have -- if it wasn't for him then we wouldn't be able to run the committees & hearings

i do hope he gets kicked to his ass in 2009.

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BREMPRO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 05:50 AM
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5. "F*CK you Joe Lieberman"
He was a POOR choice for VP. If we only knew how slimy he was back then.
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King Bacon Fat Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 11:11 AM
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14. Come on, now...
If we only knew?

Hell, I knew how slimy he was as soon as he came out criticizing Bill Clinton about the Lewinsky affair. I was only 16 then!

He also railed against music, going so far as to say that Marilyn Manson was somehow responsible for the Columbine massacre... it was almost as stupid as the PMRC's crusade.

Eight years of prosperity had me forgive Al Gore for the PMRC. But there was no way that I could vote for Lieberman. So I wrote Gore in with Paul Wellstone instead.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 10:52 PM
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49. I believe he was the DLC guy, The DLC selected him. Rage against the
DLC also. And remind yourself which of the DLC people went to CT to support Joe against someone who would have put a good DEMOCRAT in that seat, not a Republican. I hope there are plenty of books telling the truth about him.

Maybe the Senators who went to support him in CT weren't all DLC - I'd like to know for sure - we've got to not allow the DLC to run the Party. We've had 18 solid years of their crap.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 06:57 AM
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6. Gore's biggest mistake
He bought the Republican propaganda that Clinton was radioactive and picked Lieberman to create distance from Clinton. Clinton left office with historically high approval ratings. Maybe Gore has a math issue. Joe Lieberman's first senate campaign was financed by William Buckley and his last one was financed by the Republican Party. He's a Po x(deliberate typo) News favorite and almost always vote with the Republicans.
He failed to understand that the vast majority of those residing south of the Mason/Dixon line would never consider voting for anyone whose wife is named Hadassah. Tennessee voted for Bush. If a candidate loses his/her home state the election is over.
Anyone who doesn't recognize this creep's Machiavellian character isn't paying attention.
Joe Lieberman needs his foreskin reattached without anesthesia
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 08:32 AM
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9. Lieberman and Buckley are both from Stamford.
It figures that a Knight of Malta would grubstake a Sternganger.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 10:52 AM
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13. How does cancerous disease sounds,
they say it is not good to wish evil on another human, in this case
I'll make an exceptions and say how I wish for someone to piss in
Joe Lieberman's cup.

:mad:
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 10:54 PM
Response to Reply #13
50. Be careful, you can still say 'cancel' to your words.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 06:48 PM
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41. yup, picking joe was a mistake
and strangely, had Gore been given his rightful place as President, the maniac joe would have been vice president and in a position to do real harm. it wouldn't have been as bad as bush's destructiveness, but it would not have been the wonderful time that i have sometimes believed it would have been.
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 08:13 AM
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7. What a fucking dick. n/t
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kaygore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 08:26 AM
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8. Joe Lieberman is a traitor to this country. He should be deported
to Israel, which is the state he actually represents, poorly, but nevertheless represents. How the State of Connecticut lets him pretend to represent them I shall never know.
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Yavapai Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 06:13 PM
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39. NO! He should be deported to Iran!!!
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 09:01 AM
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10. Back stabber
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Liberal Dose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 09:15 AM
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11. Watched the movie this weekend and could hardly stand reliving all that emotion
Especially the part where Lieberweiner threw the entire country under the bus in order to make himself look good to his fellow Republiscum. I was hoping at the end they would have something about the statewide review with Gore coming out the winner in every scenario <sigh>.
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BigD_95 Donating Member (728 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 10:19 AM
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12. Mzztakable
***statewide review with Gore coming out the winner in every scenario***


Do you have any links to this statement. I was arguing with a coworker who said Bush won all the later recounts.
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thesquanderer Donating Member (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 12:58 PM
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17. Links for Gore victory in 2000
First, here is an article from the New york Times. You have to read this one carefully, though. The headline, and most of the article, gives the impression that Bush legitimately won Florida. Actually, what it says is that, if the proposed *limited* recounts at the time had proceeded to their conclusion, Bush would have won anyway. HOWEVER... if you read further, you'll see that if *all* Florida votes had been recounted (which no one at the time was proposing, because of how long it would have taken), Gore would actually have won.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DEEDB...

Other relevant links of interest:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/19/opinion/19krugman.htm...

http://www.legitgov.org/index_hot_April5.html

http://archive.democrats.com/view.cfm?id=1730


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Frank Booth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:24 AM
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53. I still remember that article. And there were copycat articles in the WP, by the AP, and others.
All the articles were deliberately skewed to read as if Bush had the most votes. But if you read the articles carefully, it was clear that Gore was the real winner.

Man, the media in this country is disgusting.
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thesquanderer Donating Member (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:06 AM
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54. correction
To clarify... when I said no one at the time was proposing a full statewide recount, I meant that neither Gore nor Bush were asking for that.

And here's another link with more information.

http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/14875

There's also some technical detail behind the Times article here:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C02EEDB...
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BayjanDem Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 11:25 AM
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15. Watching it
was like watching one of the 911 movies, it was that draining. Being a Dade County resident, made it even more aggravating. The one bright spot: the DEAD ON portrayal of that ghoul, Katherine Harris by Laura Dern. She nailed it, it was hilarious. By the end of the movie, I needed some Hennessey.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 11:40 AM
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16. Remember . . . Joe Lieberman was selected by Gore . . . how did that happen?
Lieberman has done a great deal of damage as a "Democrat" ---


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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 01:33 PM
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20. because at the time
i think gore was a lil more alligned with joes way of thinking...

while al has always been a good environmentalist and taken up other liberal issues, i think it took the whole 2000 election debacle to really open his eyes to what is going down.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 05:15 PM
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36. Well, a dangerous outing for all of us ---
Edited on Tue May-27-08 05:16 PM by defendandprotect
I've always been wary of Gore's religous background ---
and of course Lieberman is a religous fanatic ---

Gore also has long history of backing by oil industry ---

Gore served in the Senate for a long period with Joe ---
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:18 AM
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55. exactly
Edited on Wed May-28-08 10:18 AM by iamthebandfanman
like i say, i honestly believe Al was lock step with them before 2000... when they all screwed him over for their own self interests n left him out in the cold.
thats alot on someone whos devoted the majority of their career into helping them all out, only to get screwed the one time he needed theirs.

sometimes it takes being screwed over by your friends to realize you never really had any friends to begin with. al is a better guy for it happening, tho it sure is a shame that he had to be awoken in that manner.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 05:43 PM
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37. Bill Clinton
in 2000 taking Lieberman was seen as a rejection of Bill because of Lieberman's vocal attacks during the Monica Lewinsky scandal. It was designed to be the response to honor and integrity in the white house line chimpy was throwing.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 10:56 PM
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51. The DLC selected Leiberman, just as they 'allowed' Gore;
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 01:33 PM
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19. Yes, I remember that well
Not exactly the maek of a strong leader: someone who capitulates to Tim Russert's badgering on Meet the Press.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 02:06 PM
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22. He did not capitulate his mind had already been made up...(watch the clip again)
imo by Israel...the Ru$$ert Lie-berman interview was a staged event to condone breaking the law and destroy Gore.
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 01:45 PM
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21. and then there's the disappeared ballots
I'll never forget how an entire truckload of ballots disappeared on election night. The msm was all over the mystery.

And then it magically re-appeared the next morning with the ballots illegally counted. And the msm looked the other way. :mad:
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 02:11 PM
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23. The pugs don't just count on one ace up their sleeve; They have many
By the time anyone figures out they have committed treason, there is a collective yawn; Until broadly watched films like this start connecting the dots.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 02:26 PM
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24. That's a movie I don't think I can watch.
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SurfingAtWork Donating Member (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 03:08 PM
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26. I caught this movie last night
Normaly I'm a fairly stoic person, and even though I knew how it would end, I suprised myself and started weeping as the credits rolled.
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 04:24 PM
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32. That's what happened to me when I started watching
Edited on Tue May-27-08 05:00 PM by ailsagirl
Fahrenheit 9/11. The part when they said that Gore won...

I haven't seen the HBO special but I'm GLAD it's on
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swimmernsecretsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 03:20 PM
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27. You know the part that really made me saddest?
When Warren Christopher (John Hurt), trying to placate an upset Ron Klain (Kevin Spacey) says "Gore is still young. He can run again." This whole incident proved so draining on his family and himself that he never sought public office again. We had a genuinely good person there, and he got thrown away like a used kleenex.

God damn, that movie was tough to watch. I didn't want to spend the next couple of days upset, and here I am.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 03:28 PM
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28. That's why I can understand Gore's
reluctance to run again.

As much as I ( and millions of others) would love to see
him run, again-

it becomes clear why he doesn't want to enter that hellhole
of a race, again.

--especially after watching this movie.


" even if you win, you don't win"
-- one of the final scenes.

:(
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swimmernsecretsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 03:35 PM
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29. Even though I hated to admit it
I completely understood why Gore refused to walk voluntarily into the meat-grinder that is modern politics. I have too much admiration, respect, and, I have to say love for him to wish it on him. And seeing what he's done since...it's just a miracle. He proved even more convincingly how much he has in him to offer the world.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 04:22 PM
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31. Yes he does!
He has made a huge impact, worldwide.

And with all the GWarming doubters, he's taking
enough flack for it, too.

He really is a great guy and
one fantastic American.

:) :hi:
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Sunnyshine Donating Member (698 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 04:20 PM
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30. After I watched it, I had to take a shower to cool off.
Followed by a glass of Jarhead wine to calm my mood. Damn, why is Florida always the poison thorn in recent elections? I am more leery for this November than I was in 2004. Joe blow has got to go. Can we take the D away from him? Declare him as an R already. Seriously.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 04:55 PM
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33. Joe Liberman was the Traitor to this country
I hope the Movie landblasts him

How Conneticut voted for this man is truly unbelievable
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DianaForRussFeingold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 05:15 PM
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35. K&R-- 'Benedict Arnold'
"pretty much killed Gore's chances of winning" :cry:

Bushes lead over Gore was down to 154,
5 members of The Supreme Court voted to stop the recount in Dec 2000,
lest it cause "irreparable harm' to GW Bush.

Judges that wanted a recount :patriot:
John Paul Stevens,
David Souter,
Ruth Bader Ginsburg,
Stephen Breyer

Judges that decided the vote for the nation by ceasing all recounts :wtf:
William Rehnquist,
Anthony Kennedy,
Sandra Day O'Connor,
Clarence Thomas,
Antonin Scalia

Interesting video with Vincent Bugliosi
U.S. Supreme Court stops recount in 2000-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8VoPyfP-Uw&feature=rela...
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 09:14 PM
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45. Nevermind asshole Lieberman, it's the Supremes we should go after, they're the criminals!
I so agree with Vincent!
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 11:03 PM
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52. And the DLC - they guided the entire thing. Kick 'em out - let them start a new Party.
See how much money they can raise. Maybe too warhungry much, but I'd rather not carry their baggage around in this DEMOCRATIC Party.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 05:56 PM
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38. this showed what a tool of the GOP and mole Lieberman was... but, what about Gore's
horrible inability to sense that Lieberman was a slimeball that couldn't be trusted? He gave me the creeps, and when Gore picked him I was deeply let down. Why was Gore so out of it to not have prescience about the sliminess of Lieberman... damn damn damn... it's past but still, it's frustrating. Gore would have won with a strong VP candidate, Biden, Dodd etc...
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Yavapai Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 06:17 PM
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40. ...and why isn't Nancy Pelosi removing him from committees???
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Middle finga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 08:46 PM
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43. I think that would be Harry Reid's responsibility he's over the Senate
Nancy is over the House
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Middle finga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 08:48 PM
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44. Traitor Joe should have never been on the damn ticket anyway
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 10:18 PM
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47. That little sketch just confirmed some suspisions I started harboring
just after Leiberman outed himself as a DINO. What a despicable disloyal disaster to the people of the U.S. John McCain - you can have him. He doesn't know logic, appreciate logic, honor logic. Yep, he's all there - he thumbed his nose at us - and I bet we're only going to begin to know the extent of his betrayal to Democrats. It's too bad Obama has looked up to him. I don't get it.
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 10:36 PM
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48. in 2000 I voted Nader/LaDuke in protest against Lieberman.
Edited on Tue May-27-08 10:37 PM by JoeIsOneOfUs
I was in a safe Gore state, or I wouldn't have done it (wouldn't change electoral outcome).

I've always felt a little bad about that given what happened, even though my vote made no difference.

This, and JoeLie's campaign for McCain makes me feel a little better about it.

Want to see this movie but think it will be so upsetting. :(
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TexasBushwhacker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:38 AM
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56. Ironically, one of Sydney Pollack's last works
I got to attend a panel discussion that he was part of a couple of years ago. What a class act.
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