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Howard Dean: We need rules. Wasserman Schultz: Concern about rules unproductive

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu May-22-08 04:57 PM
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Howard Dean: We need rules. Wasserman Schultz: Concern about rules unproductiveUpdated at 2:17 AM
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Posted on YouTube: March 07, 2008
By YouTube Member: riphotpotatomash
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Posted on DU: May 22, 2008
By DU Member: madfloridian
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From the You Tube poster's comments:

"Congresswoman and Hillary supporter, Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) states while advocating for a new "Do-Over" Florida primary that we need to stop worrying about whether rules were broken and that "all of this talk about the rules and that kind of thing is counterproductive".

Yeah, we don't need no stink'n rules!"
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   Without rules you have anarchy -- just animalistic, survival-of-the-fittest  LSparkle   May-22-08 05:05 PM   #1 
   Sigh  wryter2000DU Moderator   May-22-08 05:06 PM   #2 
   All of HRC's surrogates seem delusional at this point.  polichick   May-22-08 05:12 PM   #3 
   Yeah...  N4457S   May-22-08 05:38 PM   #7 
      So they're not delusional, just creepy people who don't care about the party??  polichick   May-22-08 05:57 PM   #11 
   idiot  fascisthunter   May-22-08 05:14 PM   #4 
   She is giving me raw nerves....she just talks and talks.  madfloridian   May-22-08 05:20 PM   #5 
   Which Republicans are you going to endorse this cycle Debbie?  Dr.Phool   May-22-08 05:31 PM   #6 
   Because some day, this may bite you in the ass  Pigwidgeon   May-22-08 05:44 PM   #8 
   Oh, wait, you are blaming me? Okay. Whatever you think.  madfloridian   May-22-08 05:50 PM   #9 
      So this is all about you? I don't think so.  Pigwidgeon   May-23-08 11:05 AM   #19 
         That sounds too much like bluster to take seriously.  madfloridian   May-23-08 11:12 AM   #20 
            So, hear what you want.  Pigwidgeon   May-23-08 11:16 AM   #21 
   "All of this stuff about the rules....and that sort of thing"  PassingFair   May-22-08 05:51 PM   #10 
   This is why HRC hasn't dropped out.  FiveGoodMen   May-22-08 06:01 PM   #12 
   Florida is Hillary's ace in the hole.  madfloridian   May-22-08 06:14 PM   #13 
      That's what I mean about cheating.  FiveGoodMen   May-22-08 07:10 PM   #14 
      It is.  madfloridian   May-22-08 09:13 PM   #15 
         Thought we were on the same page; was just making sure  FiveGoodMen   May-22-08 09:30 PM   #16 
      Forida is the Bush/Clinton aka Corp ace in the hole  democracy1st   May-22-08 10:15 PM   #17 
   A kick for rules.  madfloridian   May-23-08 10:36 AM   #18 
   I would remind that Florida is a "zero tolerance" state, whether you  tsuki   May-23-08 11:41 AM   #22 
      Amen to all you said.  madfloridian   May-24-08 09:31 AM   #23 
 
LSparkle (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu May-22-08 05:05 PM
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1. Without rules you have anarchy -- just animalistic, survival-of-the-fittest
which may suit the Clintons fine, but isn't a great way to
run anything (a society, a political party) unless you want
perpetual instability, fear, turmoil ...
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wryter2000 DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu May-22-08 05:06 PM
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2. Sigh
I want the sane and logical Debbie W-S back.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu May-22-08 05:12 PM
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3. All of HRC's surrogates seem delusional at this point.
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N4457S (415 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu May-22-08 05:38 PM
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7. Yeah...
...they're delusional enough to know they'll all be back for her race in 2012.

A thousand people per day move to Florida. Some of them are progressive but most of them aren't.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu May-22-08 05:57 PM
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11. So they're not delusional, just creepy people who don't care about the party??
Florida is my beloved home state ~ I have great hopes that voters there will see the light!
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu May-22-08 05:14 PM
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4. idiot
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu May-22-08 05:20 PM
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5. She is giving me raw nerves....she just talks and talks. Updated at 2:17 AM
All talking points, never addresses the issue.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu May-22-08 05:31 PM
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6. Which Republicans are you going to endorse this cycle Debbie?
Besides Hillary, I mean.

Go Cheney yourself!
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu May-22-08 05:44 PM
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8. Because some day, this may bite you in the assUpdated at 3:19 AM
Insisting on "strict performance" has a way of doing that.

You know how you're always nyah-nyahing about how Hillary did this and Hillary did that?

Well, John McCain and his friends in the press are a whole lot better at it than we Democrats are. And they will have NO difficulty in citing The Rules -- and Barack Obama's previous statements -- to the American public.

Especially if it's a very tight race.

It was easy to whack Hillary when you had the press with you. Well, the press may love Obama, but they married McCain.

--p!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu May-22-08 05:50 PM
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9. Oh, wait, you are blaming me? Okay. Whatever you think. Updated at 2:17 AM
Let's just all break rules and pretend we didn't.
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri May-23-08 11:05 AM
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19. So this is all about you? I don't think so.Updated at 3:19 AM
Do I really have to write "you (pl.)" all the time?

Do the activists of Team Obama at DU really have such thin skin?

(And do I really have to ask?)

But enforce those rules, every jot and tittle. I'm sure that half of Obama's possible Democratic voters will be okay with taking the blame and submitting to punishment meted out by the primary's sore winners.

Of course, they may not be Obama's eventual Democratic voters. 'Cause there's no rule that says anyone who is a Democrat has to vote for him.

--p!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Fri May-23-08 11:12 AM
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20. That sounds too much like bluster to take seriously.Updated at 2:17 AM
.
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri May-23-08 11:16 AM
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21. So, hear what you want. Updated at 3:19 AM
That works so well in politics.

--p!
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu May-22-08 05:51 PM
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10. "All of this stuff about the rules....and that sort of thing"
What a PUTZ!
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu May-22-08 06:01 PM
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12. This is why HRC hasn't dropped out.
She's counting on her party just ignoring everything and giving her the nod anyway.

Debbie's a good example of why that could happen.

Hillary wants to cheat her way into the White House.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu May-22-08 06:14 PM
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13. Florida is Hillary's ace in the hole. Updated at 2:17 AM
.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu May-22-08 07:10 PM
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14. That's what I mean about cheating.
Florida took itself out of play. The candidates agreed to it. Her Royal Highness wants to change the rules.

That's cheating.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu May-22-08 09:13 PM
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15. It is. Updated at 2:17 AM
You are right.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu May-22-08 09:30 PM
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16. Thought we were on the same page; was just making sure
:toast:
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democracy1st (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu May-22-08 10:15 PM
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17. Forida is the Bush/Clinton aka Corp ace in the hole
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Fri May-23-08 10:36 AM
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18. A kick for rules. Updated at 2:17 AM
.
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22. I would remind that Florida is a "zero tolerance" state, whether you
know the rules or not.

"Don't Blog Me" Debbie knew the rules and violated them. Then she pinned on a "Screw Dean" pin to party with her buds and try to blame Gov. Dean for enforcing the rules of the rules committee.

As I have stated before, they were not concerned about Florida voters until they lost their Super Delegate status also.

Boo Hoo, live with it.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sat May-24-08 09:31 AM
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23. Amen to all you said. Updated at 2:17 AM
She even had the nerve to tell one blogger to get the other bloggers off her back.

So many have done so much good in their terms, but they sold themselves and their credibility out for their candidate.
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