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jedreport Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:56 AM
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Clinton cites support from "white Americans" as path to nomination
 
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Wonderful. Just what we needed.

Looks like Rachel Maddow was right.
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my2sense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 08:14 AM
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1. Exactly
why this black woman will NOT vote for this race baiting bitch. It's sad, but I started out firmly in her corner and hadn't given Obama a second look until the Clintons started the dog whistle bullshit on race.
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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 08:27 AM
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4. We're with you sister
A lot of white folks find this really disgusting too
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Maineman Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 09:05 AM
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10. YES
From a white guy age 64. I think many Blacks support Obama because they have developed a type of wisdom based on the need for fairness and cooperation. Like younger voters, they also seem to be pretty good at spotting BS. Please pardon what sounds like stereotyping.

You know, Mr. Obama is only half Black. If it's racial, I get to claim half of him.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:52 AM
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21. I claim the 'hope' half
and you can have the 'change' half. :rofl:
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 07:28 AM
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30. LOL!! If we're defining race in terms of Jewish law...
Then Barack's mother being white makes him WHITE!!!

Yes, you're right. I'm another black woman who was skeptical of Obama in the beginning. Hillary and Clinton have eroded any remaining good will from Black America. The Clintons enjoyed a near 80% of the black support when this primary began. Once they started the subtle racially-divisive remarks, that's when it all began to crumble.

I was very much in favor of Kucinich in the beginning. When Denis dropped out, I moved over to Edwards. It was only after I began researching Obama's record did I realize that my views/values were more aligned with Obama's.

Hillary's DLC record turned me off. Her pro-corporate positions on most issues (i.e., the bankruptcy bill) turned me off, as did her hawkish votes. Not only did she voted in favor of the IWR, she also voted AGAINST the Levin Amendment, for the Patriot Act and for Kyl-LIEberman. I could not, in all consciousness, vote for her for these reasons. But I did like and respect her.

It's sad because like many people, I defended the Clintons until I made myself sick back in the '90s.

Carville called Richardson a "Judas," but the Clintons have been the ultimately betrayers. All the insults and racially-divisive language has done irreparable damage to the relationship between blacks and the Clintons themselves.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:48 AM
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20. As a black man in his late 20s
the Clintons have sadly disappointed me this election season. For example, I never knew that Jesse Jackson had won the SC primary twice in the 80s until Bill Clinton was happy to educate me. Thanks Bill! What should be a proud moment in black history will always have this smudge of a footnote to it. I'm tired of Hillary's superdelegate argument which sounds like a euphemistic way of saying that the white, working class voter is more important than the black voter. That's why Hillary is polling in the single digits with black voters. I had bought into Obama's message of hope and unity, and now Hillary is trying to divide us all up into different voting blocks again.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:15 PM
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28. she is super disgusting.
I agree with you. She doesn't deserve respect after this. She knows better! SHAME ON YOU CLINTON!
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DrZeeLit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 08:15 AM
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2. Is she courting the White Supremist vote? the KKK vote? in Oregon or WV or ???
Okay, that was just plain WEIRD.

If that goes mainstream, it's like the Bitter Cling moment.

At this point, she's actually rather lucky that nobody's really paying much attention.

I guess she's finally lucky she's white? *sarcasm*

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The Political Jerk Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 08:24 AM
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3. She has a much broader base to building a winning coaltion.
That very broad base of white, college degree-less people from the shallow south. That's one hell of a starting point for a coalition.

-The Political Jerk
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ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:12 AM
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14. Yes, and they'll be just RUSHING to vote for her over McCain
delusional thinking.
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Freedom Train Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 08:36 AM
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5. And support from "black americans" is Obama's path to the nomination
So what's your point? Black support=good, white support=bad?
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mcollier Donating Member (887 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 08:46 AM
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6. Obama has more white support than Hillary does
in more states... What a pathetic mind trick...

This deception needs to be squashed once and for all...

Hillary really needs to stop the racial divide tactic. Its getting old and maybe its and age thing? We want to move foward, not backwards.
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Freedom Train Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 08:49 AM
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7. If he does,
Then that effectively renders any accusations of racism on the part of whites moot, doesn't it?
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jedreport Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 08:54 AM
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8. ummm...
she is saying her white and independent support give her a bigger political base than obama.

but obama has a bigger (and more diverse) political base.

91% of her vote in indiana came from whites and 4% from blacks.

obama: 64/31.

at one point 60% of blacks supported clinton and just 20% supported obama.

it's not like they are just voting for obama because he's black.

he's also the better candidate.
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Texifornia Donating Member (399 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 09:32 AM
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12. Watch out for centrifugal force
I'm concerned that you may fly apart.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:05 AM
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22. Good point. Obama supporters grasp at straws to play the
'race card'.
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curiousdemo Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 08:56 AM
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9. This is a desperate woman!!!
Edited on Thu May-08-08 08:56 AM by curiousdemo
You and slick willie should go away. A Dam Loser!!!!:kick:
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 09:15 AM
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11. The way she hems and haws....
shows that she is fully aware of what she is saying and doing. I'm white and for Obama, and I can't imagine being white and uneducated and thinking that she is the woman for me. What is wrong with these people?
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:02 AM
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13. Jesus the SD's need to make sure this racist Hillary movement needs to die a crib death
They need to stop this now.
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thesquanderer Donating Member (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:27 AM
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15. pot and kettle
This further supports the Time article saying that people felt that Clinton's use of "electability" was code for "race."

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1737725,00.html

She does appear to be saying that, when it comes to the general election, there are a lot of white people who will never vote for a black candidate.

It's an ugly argument... but that's a different conversation from talking about how much truth there may be to it. And the fact is, Obama does poll well across the country, both in overall popular vote and state-by-state in enough states to get the electoral college votes as well. So while racism surely exists, the numbers seem to indicate that Hillary is wrong in her implication that she will do better in November because she's white. If that is indeed what she is trying to say. Which she would probably deny, but she does seem to tread awfully close to the edges.

Which is a whole different argument from what percentage of voters won't vote for a woman, of course.

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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:36 AM
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16. What makes her think
That people who won't vote for Obama because he's black, will vote for her in the GE? Sure, the Bubba contingent will vote for a white woman over a black man, but they won't vote for a white woman over a white man. Last time I looked, the Republican candidate in the fall will be a white man.

Isn't the definition of a "Reagan Democrat" someone who calls himself a Democrat, but votes Republican?
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marcus3xw Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:38 AM
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17. 90% of black voters are supporting obama because he is black
that is the butt naked truth. listen to black radio shows like Shelley Wynter, Warren Ballentine and others and you will black obama supporters call black supporters of hillary traitors or sellouts

i see nothing wrong with hillary's strategy

the democratic primary system is flawed and needs to be changed to a winner take all system with no caucases
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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:42 AM
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18. ALRIGHT. Another freeper for my ignore list
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:11 AM
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24. Oh my God ! How racist of you for telling the truth!
<sarcasm> of course.
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Fedja Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:50 AM
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27. In order to have a legitimate opinion on caucus system...
...you must first learn to spell it.
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wowimthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:45 AM
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34. 95 percent of Blacks voted for Bill Clinton... that was okay then just not when
blacks recognize a better candidate in Obama. Whites have been voting for white candidates for YEARS!!!!!! Blacks have been voting for White Candidates for YEARS!!!!! Your argument is hollow. Whites stand for Obama when they get to know him. What happened in Wisconsin? What happened in all of those caucus states? What happened in Iowa. Virginia? Predominately white! So stop yourself please before you look as weird as she looks.
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dennysp Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:43 AM
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19. "Vote For Me, I'm White" -----WOW!!!
Edited on Thu May-08-08 10:44 AM by dennysp
There's more to what Hillary is stating here than what's obvious:
1. The superdelegates are letting this farce continue because.....
2. Even though the numbers are all against her, there are people who don't find the possibility of her nomination incredulous because.......
3. Hillary is allowed to get away with her lies/mis-statements/race-baiting because......

The playing field in this race has NEVER been level, yet Barak Obama has won more pledged delegates, and a larger popular vote....AND HILLARY CLINTON IS ALLOWED TO CONTINUE TO STAY IN THIS RACE....BECAUSE.....? I think the majority of the decision makers secretly agree with her. It's sick, it's sad, but why else has this madness, this drama not been brought to a halt? She wants to make sure that if she is not the nominee, the country will have John McFool as a president, so she can clean up in 2012. Scorched earth.....cut the baby in half mindset.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:19 AM
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25. Where do women who vote for Clinton because she is a woman
fit in?
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greiner3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:08 AM
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23. Hillary's positioning for VP!
She's making the statement, "Without my ignorant middle class white voters, Obama can't win in November."
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:23 AM
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26. Reading comprehension shows ignorance.
x
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:48 PM
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29. I wish Bill, Hillary, GHW & Jr. would take their fortunes earned by selling out the middle class
and retire to their remote Paraguayan ranch and never bother us again!

Fuck you Hillary. Fuck you Bill. Fuck you GHW & Jr! Get out of our country you fuggin traitors!
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 07:29 AM
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31. You know I'm not sure if it's racism or just the way demographics are broken down in polls.
When support is categorized by race by the polling companies, it makes it hard to talk about your demographics of you supporters in other terms.

BTW, I choose Obama as the least evil.

-Hoot
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:29 AM
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32. True, but...
The issue is that the Clintons enjoyed nearly 80% of the black electorate support in the beginning of the campaign. So the oft-repeated meme that blacks are only voting for Obama because he's black doesn't comport. No one questions the integrity of women who only support Hillary becuse she's a woman; or, white men who cannot bring themselves to vote for a black man. It seems that only blacks' voting patterns are called into question as if we are sheep-like zombies. It's rather disconcerting...

________________________________________

Mr. Levine expresses himself much better than I ever could...
Will Obama Win Enough White Votes to Beat McCain?
May 8, 2008
Arthur Levine
Huffington Post
________________________________________

Hillary and her supporters aren't giving up on her arguments that she's the most electable candidate because she's won among blue-collar whites. She told USA Today in an article published today:

"I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," she said in an interview with USA Today. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article "that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."

"There's a pattern emerging here," she said.

Clinton's blunt remarks about race came a day after primaries in Indiana and North Carolina dealt symbolic and mathematical blows to her White House ambitions. Yet Obama doesn't need a majority of blue-collar white voters to win the general election, and he's unlikely to win them all over.

All he needs is enough whites in his coalition of liberals,concerned middle-class people worried about the economy, some fed-up blue-collar workers, enthusiasic young people and college students, and the 90%-plus of African-Americans to piece together a winning coalition. Indeed, he's competitive or ahead in several of the states that Hillary says that only she can win, including Ohio and Pennsyvlania. In fact, it's worth remembering that no Democratic presidential candidate since LBJ has won a majority of white voters.

The search for these blue-collar "Reagan Democrats" to stay with the Democrats may be as elusive as the search for the "NASCAR Dads" before the 2004 election, who had previously voted less than 30% for Democrats. As an ABC pollster observed before that Kerry vs. Bush election:

When we run data from our recent polls we find that married, middle- and lower-income white men account for a single-digit share of the national population, and support President Bush in precisely the same proportion as all white men. (Make it rural white men, and it goes down to low single digits.) And white men, particularly Southern white men, are a solidly Republican group, highly unlikely to swing anywhere, anyhow.

For good measure, we checked rural, suburban or small city married white men with children and incomes under $50,000 in the 2000 exit poll. They accounted for 2 percent of all voters, and supported Bush over Gore by 70 percent to 27 percent.

You really want to call this a swing voter group?

Apparently white people hold a grudge for a long time: ever since Democrats pushed for African-American voting rights and integration, most whites haven't voted for a Democratic presidential candidate for over 40 years, even as the racial animus got translated into a cleaned-up anti-govenment, anti-crime, anti-tax message.

The full story is told in such brilliant books as Chain Reaction co-authored by Huffington Post political director Thomas Edsall, well-chronicled in this early 90s' essay on the Democats' increasingly alienated white working-class and middle-class supporters who now potentially can be won back in hard times, especially after the Republican crack-up.

This Thursday, on the weekly "D'Antoni and Levine Show," with my co-host Portland broadcaster and HuffPost blogger, Tom D'Antoni, we explored these racial dynamics in the primary races ahead and in the general election.

The show featured Washington, D.C. analyst Ian Fried, who is also Director of Blue Catapult Political Action Committee (bluecatapult.com), which supports Democratic congressional candidates challenging Republican-held seats. In the past he has worked in Congress and taught courses at various universities, including American University in Washington. You can read Ian's observations and insights in his posts to The Seminal blog (www.theseminal.com).

Fried is one of the best number-crunchers this side of NBC's political director Chuck Todd, and he also explored the impact Obama and Clinton could have on House and Senate races in the fall, making the case that he will be the stronger candidate.

Actually, it seems, Hillary isn't just playing the race card, she's playing the race deck -- throwing everything she can against the wall about Obama to see what sticks, in a last-ditch effort to convinces the superdelegates. But a nuanced look at the racial dynamics at Real Clear Politics, found that Obama's reduced some of the defections among whites since Ohio and Pennsylvania. That outlet's analyst found:

Clinton did about as well in Indiana as she did in Pennsylvania and Ohio with white men, white Protestants, and seniors. However, beyond this, she suffered a decline among her best groups. Notice in particular her decline among white women, white Catholics, and union households. Basically, the core of her voting bloc was still with her, but Obama picked off a larger portion of it than he did in Ohio and Pennsylvania.

Some observers argue by speaking so bluntly about race, and invoking Jesse Helms/George Wallace-type comments about "hard-working" white people, she's playing to racial and class stereotypes again. At the Moderate Voice, blogger Elrod points out:

Well, if the USA Today interview with Clinton today is accurate, then she just made an appalling gaffe that goes well beyond the Bittergate comment.

She made the case for her continuation in the campaign by referencing her ability to win a broader coalition against the Republicans in the fall. One element of that coalition that has responded to her, and not to Obama, is non-college educated whites - particularly older ones.

But instead of using the typical "blue collar voters" frame, she employed explicitly racial language that closely comports with classic racist rhetoric from the likes of George Wallace and Jesse Helms in the past.

She said, without baiting, that she wins "working, hard-working Americans, white Americans," and Obama cannot reach such voters. The implication is, of course, that hard-working goes hand-in-hand with white.

Never mind that Obama has won hard-working black Americans, or that he's won whites everywhere outside the South and the Rust Belt.

The "hard-working Americans, white Americans" is a classic Wallace/Helms/Buchanan equation of whiteness with hard work and honesty. The opposite is either effete white intellectuals who don't work, or lazy blacks who also don't work. In fact, the Reagan coalition GOP even dropped the word "white," knowing that "hard-working" and "law-abiding" already implied, in their minds, white people.

I don't think Hillary Clinton really believes that only white people are hard-working. But she has to know that such phrasing is downright toxic given the racially polarized electorate in the primary. She has been accused - often unfairly - of race-baiting throughout the campaign. But this comment takes the cake and one can only hope it was a slip of the tongue and nothing else.

What makes this worse is the timing. She thinks the next big race is West Virginia and Kentucky (and Oregon) where she assumes that appeals to white working class voters are especially appropriate. The problem is that the people she needs to appeal to are the superdelegates, not voters in states with minimal delegate counts. She is trying to make the case for her electability to the superdelegates. But in doing so, she is treading on poisonous water that must make Democratic superdelegates cringe.
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wowimthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:39 AM
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33. She looks like another dummy, dummying up to racists... I thought I'd seen stupidiy before...
I thought I'd seen pandering before but as a Democrat she takes the cake. How could she even be voted in as a senator again? She looks desperate and her pal Lanny Davis looks even more desperate.
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wowimthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:52 AM
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35. Who knew? She's trying to get the under educated white vote... It seems like she thinks
Edited on Fri May-09-08 11:53 AM by wowimthere
under educated means stupid. Stupid enough to vote for her. Convince them that underhanded republican tactics is "fighting". Didn't we have a president that "decided" that his supporters had to be dumb enough to want to vote in someone who they could have a beer with? She seems to be taking it one step further; calling working class whites uneducated bigots. She is a piece of work.
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Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:17 PM
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36. Haven't all the hardcore bigots gone over to the GOP by now anyway
Edited on Fri May-09-08 12:23 PM by Juche
It seems like if you are a bigot to such a degree that it plays a major role in your political choices you are likely to be a republican in all seriousness. In the 1960s the whites in the south abandoned the democrats to become republicans. the whites in rural midwestern areas who are uncomfortable around blacks, mexicans or gays are usually republicans. I'm not even trying to be a dick or score points by pointing this out, I am serious.

I know there are democrats who are uncomfortable voting for a black guy (lets not lie and pretend it isn't there) but it seems if that is a major issue in your political viewpoints, you probably aren't a democrat at this point, you are probably a republican.

Besides, some men are uncomfortable voting for a woman. hence the fact that Obama does better among men than Clinton despite men generally being more GOP.

http://www.jedreport.com/2008/03/barack-obamas-m.html

New data from the Pew Research Center illustrates my point: although Hillary Clinton leads McCain among white women by three points, she trails among white men by twenty-three points. Meanwhile, Obama trails among white women by just one point, and trails among white men by fifteen. Obama's net margin relative to Clinton drops by four points among white women, but increases by eight points among white men.
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