Senator Hillary Clinton on Nuking Iran

[swag]

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[stranger_with_candy]

1. She's out of control

Any real dem would never pull the lever for this maniac.

[aquart]

9. Do you have no perception of reality at all?

Seriously.

[stranger_with_candy]

16. Apparently you don't

If you think her comments are at all rational.

[beezlebum]

34. ah, reality...

in what dimension might you be referring to, aquart? "seriously."

in the one where dems behave like rethuglicans? like spokespersons for the PNAC? the GOP? the MIC?

the one where "experienced" dems go around making aggressive threats/promises of all out nuclear holocaust? OUTDOING republican warhawkery??

the one where said dem's supporters accept, defend, justify said dem's reich wing warmongering?

i want you to know, aquart, that there are two kinds of clinton supporters i keep off of ignore: the coherent, non-desperate, non-trolling, non-freeperesque who are willing and able to discuss with civility and even kindness amongst obama supporters, and the ones who make me laugh with their wacky deluded one liners- it's kinda like tripping on acid: you get baffled by some of the shit you see and hear, and you even start wondering if you're going insane, but for some reason, that makes it all the more amusing.

[MidwestTransplant]

45. I am sure you would defend Jomentum or Darth Cheney for the same comments too, right?

[Larry Ogg]

46. Did you say, “No perception of reality at all, seriously?”

Come on…, your kidding right, and your just showing a little sarcasm? After all you’ve been a member of DU since 2001, so you should know a little bit about history and could not possibly fall victim too the biggest political lie in U.S. history. You know the lie I’m talking about right? That “They hate us for our freedom” lie, instead of saying they hate our foreign policy, which is basically the biggest anti Democratic force on the planet, with a long and bloody history of overthrowing Democratically elected governments and installing tyrannical dictators that will slaughter anyone who stands in the way of the corporate elitist pirates who want nothing more than to loot and plunder the resources of the world.

Sadly enough, politician that help propagate such immense lies because they themselves are criminally insane, knowing all to well the truth, they are themselves pathological liars and should be locked up so as to never see the light of day. But even sadder is the great mass of honest people who will fall victim to such lies, they will always be naïve slaves to evil - believing anything but the truth - as long as it comes from their favorite politician…

The great mass of people . . . will more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a small one. What luck for rulers that men do not think. Adolf Hitler

Perception of Reality indeed…

[LSK]

70. that Iran has no nuclear weapons program? that the IAEA is monitoring them

That there is no reason whatsoever to even say this????

[Pappy]

44. I am in absolute agreement, she is one freaking nut case

Yeah I heard this statement on NPR. She said that if Iran were to attack our allies over in the Middle East, namely Israel that she would push the button and nuke them back. She even went as far to say that she would completely annihilate their cities (Iran) and this is something that the Iranians need to understand, and basically she said it was this mutual destruction that would keep them from doing it, pretty much the old Reagan doctrine of assured mutual destruction. She is obviously under the control of the Neocons and with these statements she has proved that she is the corporate shill that everyone suspected. If anyone is still stupid enough to vote for her, I do hope that what she has now said would change their minds.

[JDPriestly]

63. Wait a minute. There is nothing irrational about saying that

if another country uses a nuclear weapon on a third country that is allied to us, we will use nuclear weapons on the country that first used the nuclear weapon. Her words simply reflect the reality. We use our nuclear arsenal as a deterrent. Our nuclear arsenal only has deterrent value if we make it clear that we would retaliate, I repeat, retaliate against any country that uses nuclear weapons on one of our allies. That is just reality. There is nothing out of control about that statement. That has been American policy under every president since FDR.

[XemaSab]

71. Every single man, woman, and child on the PLANET knows we could nuke them

Tribes in the forests of Papua New Guinea know this...

The presidency is all about diplomacy, and she lacks it.

Ask yourself this: If W was threatening to nuke Iran, how outraged would you be? :shrug:

[JDPriestly]

87. If Iran had used a nuclear weapon and W used one in retaliation,

I would be at outraged at Iran. Any country that uses a nuclear weapon first knows what the response will be. This is not about Iran. This is about deterrence. Diplomacy is relevant to deter nuclear war, but once any nation starts nuclear war, the response will not be diplomacy but a nuclear holocaust.

[Name removed]

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[Rosa Luxemburg]

2. with all the fallout that Chenobyl caused across the world what would this do?

[XemaSab]

74. I can tell you what the fallout would be

Every Arab, Southwest Asian, and Muslim who is not now a jihadi or sympathetic to the jihadis would be banging on our door calling for BLOOD, and they'd take it out in kind if it was the last thing they did.

Pakistan, though they are no friends of Iran, would probably nuke us. We'd possibly get nuked by the Saudis, and various other 'stans. All our allies in Europe would either nuke or GET nuked. I can't imagine Russia, China, and India would stay neutral, but I also can't see them necessarily being on our side, unless they're just looking for a big Central Asian land grab.

It would be World War III, with nukes.

[Barrymores Ghost]

3. She went a full 45 seconds, wide-eyed and without blinking ONCE...

...in that last interview segment. Creeped me the f*** out.

I think she's completely UNHINGED.

[reggie the dog]

7. what drugs do that?

Cocaine usually makes you blink, heroin makes you nod, weed makes you blink because your eyes go dry. what the fuck is she on???

[rAVES]

4. Clearly she is looking for a place in McShames Cabinet... or something.

[southern_belle]

5. k & r

[Middle finga]

6. Damn she has out done Senator Bomb Bomb on War Mongering

She sound like some crazed official from the Likud Party. I swear the Clintons need to be sent packing, who the fuck is she trying to appeal to.

[reggie the dog]

8. Israel

[BrklynLib at work]

37. We would bomb a country to defend Israel, and at the same time arrest someone who spied for them...

:crazy: :silly: :wtf: :shrug:

American arrested as nuclear spy for Israel
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSKRA25614320080423

[Amonester]

55. Well, you see, the r e a l d e a l is to give the Elites ruling Big Oil

ALL the O i L they can pump out of any country they have their predator sight focussed on.

And they have their sick sight focussed on any ennemy state of Israel, which are not (yet) a subsidary of the BFEE or Helliburton (oh! what a "coincidence" ...ummmm).

In short: it's ALL about O i L. Israel, US troops - you name it - R just "expandable tools" they "use"
(in hope) to get to the price-increassing O i L (which is the r e a l deal ...for these fckups).

[Baby Snooks]

23. She's appealing to the rabid Republicans

She's lost the support of half of the Democrats so she is now going to appeal to the rabid Republicans. That is the only way she will become president. All the bubbas around the country drinking their beers and waving their flags really want to see the "Muslims" get nuked. That's how sick half this country is. The half that voted twice for George W Bush. Some of whom will vote for Hillary Clinton if they beleive she's "one of them." Half this country is not happy unless they are able to hate someone. And so Hillary Clinton is now gearing her campaign towards them. To get the nomination and then to win the election.

I didn't think anyone could be worse than George W Bush but I was wrong. Hillary Clinton would be.

[XemaSab]

78. That's what I'm saying

She wants to bring the troops home so she can nuke the place. :P

[BunkerHill24]

10. I can't fucking stand that woman

[Middle finga]

11. This is type future leader we will have to deal with for not punishing

the current administration for their war crimes. Now we got McCain and Clinton competing on who can start the next war with Iran and this time with Nuclear Weapons. The sane folks in America need to reign in these psychos quick. I hope like Hell PA voters are paying attention!!

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[Dora]

12. Hillary's crazy claims of nuking Iran

Ok,

I've stayed quiet for 50 years, it is time to speak.

Hillary Clinton is a humanity traitor.

Anyone who considers launching nuclear weapons, anywhere on the planet, will destroy this planet.

If Hillary doesn't know that by now, she is certifiably insane.

Please someone, arrest this crazy human, before she is elected president and nukes Iran.

Lou Scott

[Caradoc]

64. Absolutely

She's right; the US would use Dr. Oppenheimer's little toy in defense of Israel, even though Israel's estimated 300 or so nuclear weapons would be more than enough to do the job without any outside help. But the very fact she uttered these words with such relish is chilling.

[mudesi]

13. Everybody needs to see this insanity

She is pure evil. I've never said that before but I'll say it now.

There is NEVER a reason to use nuclear weapons.

[WillyToad]

14. So, Iran should be allowed to nuke anybody they want?

I bet Obama would say exactly the same thing Hillary said, given the same scenario.

[swag]

15. Here's an interesting take on that:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5617427&mesg_id=5617427

[Veracious]

17. WTF!? Israel Can't Defend It Self????????????

We don't need to stand up for Israel - they have nuke subs sitting in the Indian Ocean ready to blow Iran, or whomever acts away! This is simple pandering to Jewish Hawk Neocons! Baaaaaad Hillary!

[awoke_in_2003]

21. I agree

One of these days, Isreal is going to have to put on the big boy underwear. They have a great military, and have nukes themselves. Maybe people wouldn't be keen in attacking Isreal if they acted in a fair way to their neighbors. Welcome to DU.

[Zambero]

49. Yes, by all means let Israel defend ITSELF, if it ever needs to

What we don't need is pre-emptive sabre-rattling from Hillary or anyone else before any reason for a civilization-ending conflict has even occurred. And lest we forget, Israel has an impressive arsenal that includes nukes. The notion of casually ponying up for WWIII as an "early-bird special" in order to pander for Neocon mentality votes is in the finest tradition of Bush-Cheney-McCain. Those "Democrats" that ascribe to this dangerous policy might just as well vote for the real warmongering Republican in the race. This utterence from Hillary gives McCain a much-needed pass for the general election. I can hear it already: "And you people thought I was bad! Just listen to what a leading 'Democrat' candidate had to say..."

[Barrymores Ghost]

20. You really don't get it, do you?

There is simply no reasoning with people who have no sense of reason. I might just as well paint a pair of lips on a rock and pull up a chair for a chat.

[texshelters]

18. I said Clinton would bomb Iran about 3 months ago

People scoffed at me. Where are they now?

I'm forwarding this!

Tex Shelters

[MNBrewer]

19. What about the innocent?

What about the innocent Iranian victims of her nightmare scenario? Don't we consider Iran to basically be a dictatorship by the mullahs? How much ability do the people of Iran have to reign in their government. I KNOW that Ahmadinejad was "elected", but how free were those elections?

This seems like old-style, Cold War saber rattling. It makes her seem strong, but in reality it exposes her moral vacuity and lack of nuance.

[swag]

22. Fuck them. It's Hillary's Turn!

The rest of us just have to live here.

[Ztarbod]

24. Is she the anti-Christ?

[swag]

26. You mean the anti-Christ that invades Persia from the north

or something cooked up after that fashion from that bound (and easy-to-be-found-in-a-hotel-room-drawer) collection of badly translated chapters of the scribblings of insane men from almost (but not quite) two millennia ago?

Or did you mean some other anti-Christ?

[Ztarbod]

27. I like your description of the bound volume;

however, you seem to take the 'scribblings' a bit to literally. I always thought it henbane induced hallucinations that were being described, no insanity involved.

[losthills]

25. The Cult is getting more and more desperate....

Sad.

[aaroh]

28. Hillary is a Republican in disguise, thats crazy talk nuking any country

[KillCapitalism]

29. Scary shit.

Man, she scares me more and more every day. I wonder who she would appoint as her Secretary of Defense and other cabinet positions? Dick Cheney? Donald Rumsfeld again? Alberto Gonzales might even get his job back as Attorney General.

[NM Independent]

30. So our choices in the GE...

are War with Iran, War with Iran, and Barack Obama (who hasn't beaten drums yet, but is very pro Israel).

I fear for my boys. At this point I just hope these wars, and any more to come, are over by the time my sons hit that draft age. Hell, I just hope there's a world left by the time they hit that age. We might not if Hillary has anything to say about it.

[RBInMaine]

31. UNPRECENDENTED KIND OF PANDERING to "tough guy" crowd and for the Jewish vote.

[RBInMaine]

32. More questions needed about her "ubrella of Middle East security" doctrine.

[bronxiteforever]

33. Madam Mushroom Cloud-Flag Pin Worthy!

[damonm]

66. And don't forget "cluster bomb Clinton", either...

[reprehensor]

35. That is bad business.

As if any country on the planet doesn't already know that nuking an America ally will get you destroyed.

The bottom line is that the Arab countries surrounding Israel are more than a little nervous about Israel's nuclear aresenal;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordechai_Vanunu

...and they want nukes too.

As a deterrant.

[shenmue]

36. It's funny, considering Obama has the exact same belief.

I mean, I know the Hillary hate runs deep around here, but come on. Your guy said we should bomb Iran a long time ago.

Just make as much noise as possible to distract from the fact that you lost and you lost big...

[King Coal]

38. I can't stand Hillary, but I agree with her. Iran does need to know why they

should never use nukes. She is right on this one.

[harun]

40. You don't think Iran knows this? For one they don't have them, two

they aren't pursuing them, and three they don't need to use them.

Shameless pandering to the military industrial complex.

[King Coal]

43. A candidate stating what positions they hold on issues is not pandering.

[harun]

51. When they are exaggerated hypotheticals (which they normally will NEVER answer)

it is pandering.

[RBInMaine]

52. She's pandering for the "tough guy" vote and the Jewish vote. Pretty sad.

[peacetalksforall]

39. I never thought I would hear a Dem say 'obliterate'. I never thought I

would hear a woman say 'obliterate'. She is sick. The DLC is sick.

The Clintons lost a wealth of prestige with the run for the Presidency.

How many years did I spend defending her?

[izquierdista]

41. War mongering bitch

If she gets elected, I expect her to be as good as Lyndon Johnson -- improve the social programs, but a complete disaster in pushing American hegemony around the world.

[Gonnuts]

42. And just where the fuck are Irans "nukes"?

This delusional war-mongering, never been there, screaming-ass bitch thinks Iran is going to get nuke? Or didn't this pandering vote-whore read the last NSE?

Why doesn't this lying sake-of-shit come out and tell us who the real enemies are (Pakistan, Saudi Arabia) instead of parroting bush and cheney on their march to drag another Middle-East nation into a widing war?

[Bette Noir]

68. Opening a third front

While we're still at war in Iraq and Afghanistan, while China holds our mortages, would be national suicide. We'd be a Third World nation in a week.

The open threat of nuking Iran is all the reason it needs to resume its program to obtain nukes, in greater secrecy this time around.

Great way to win hearts and minds, Hillary.

[XemaSab]

79. If you look at a map, she's actually not opening a third front,

she's consolidating our two existing fronts into one BIG front.

Sort of like at a certain point, Hitler was no longer fighting on two fronts, ya know? :shrug: :P

[Echo In Light]

47. Why would Iranian leaders launch nukes and ensure their own country's demise?

...not to mention the rest of humanity once that unholy Pandora's box has been opened. Doesn't make any sense...unless someone else has plans to use nukes and blame it on Iran for their own twisted purposes.

[Zambero]

48. Neocon Sabre Rattling

Now she is threatening a nuclear holocaust with Iran before a reason for such a war even exists. This is yet another Hillary proclamation that offers no difference whatsoever between her policies and those of the Neocon-dominated GOP mindset. Why would any Democrat who is true to Democratic principles vote for a quasi-Republican warmonger when there'll already be a bona-fide one on the ticket in John McCain?

[thereismore]

50. Somebody please remove that bugeyed face from the front page please! nt

[RBInMaine]

53. To come out say something this graphic is UNPRECEDENTED and SCARY.

[defendandprotect]

54. How many countries has Iran ever attacked?

Where is this crap about Iran attacking Israel coming from except from the neo-cons and HRC?

[Amonester]

59. it's ALL about the O i L

any pack of lies have been used, is used, and will be used

for the E l i t e of Big O i L have their predatory I's set on the Big P r i z e

(BFEE & Helliburton included)

Since 1945, in fact.

[defendandprotect]

61. Right, what a neo-con dream . . .

make it look like Iran is attacking Israel, nuke Iran and have the ME all to ourselves!!!

[XemaSab]

80. I seem to recall they were at war with SOMEONE for a while...

Hmmm... who could that have been? :shrug:

Eh, I don't remember. :P

[bobbert]

56. Yay nukes vs. nukes

The world will come to an end with Hillary's 3AM call

[nwliberalkiwi]

57. For the New York Voters

New York has a large voting group that is pro Israel. This talk is just as scary as what is coming out of Tehran.

[P0pEye]

58. She sounds like Ronald Reagan .. nt

[XemaSab]

81. Yeah, but Ronnie was JOKING

:P

[Echo In Light]

85. I don't know if you're joking, but Ray Gun believed Armageddon was upon us

I can dig up the quotes if need be, otherwise just run a Google search.

[XemaSab]

86. The "bomb the Soviet Union" remark was a joke

Okay, yeah, the guy was a total freakazoid behind closed doors, but... and maybe this is a coincidence and would have happened had he NOT been president... for DECADES we lived under the threat of nuclear war. My mom grew up with "duck and cover" and relatives building and stocking bomb shelters in their back yards. I grew up during the 80's, and though I know most liberals were scared Reagan was going to start a huge war and kill us all, it didn't happen. Since the end of his presidency we haven't really had the same threat awareness.

Maybe he suspected armageddon was upon us, but unlike the current president, he didn't actively try to hasten it.

It's depressing as hell that someone as lame as Reagan looks like a statesman in comparison with the chimp.

But he wasn't known for threatening to bomb people off the map.

[bow-tie]

60. I moved from being

a Clinton apologist 2 years ago to a distruster to a hater. I don't like that. I even dislike Bill now. Their craven blood-lust for winning at the cost of what's left of our party is disgusting. They both remind of Bush and Cheney in '04. I'm at a point where I wonder if I could vote for her in the event she wins. Her victory speech was sickening.
Another thing, the fact that the repubs had a hand in getting where she is is infuriating. Is that voter switch called by Limbaugh going to stand? Was it legal? Are these SOB's that crossed over going to be able to vote again after signing allegiance to the Democratic Party?

[Jack Rabbit]

62. She's simply stating openly what is generally understood

I'm not saying it's right, but I will bet that President Obama or President McCain would do exactly the same thing. In fact, President McCain would probably recklessly attack Iran now to prevent her nuclear program from going forward. That would make him a war criminal like Bush, but that's another discussion.

Mrs. Clinton's hypothetical nuclear response is pre-conditioned on an attack against Israel. I hope that Ahmadinejad isn't that crazy, and even more that his successors aren't.

[Weevlitz]

67. Why THIS hypothetical?

Why is she so comfortable answering this "hypothetical" question...when she does her best to dance around EVERY other hypothetical question that comes her way? What is it about this question that she felt she could actually answer? There were a few posts earlier that I will echo in my own words...she is absolutely trying to look tough. Trying to show all the boys in the club that she's just a tough as they are! The problem is this...and this is why she will absolutely NOT get my vote now....no matter what happens. NOBODY wins a nuclear war...PERIOD! I'm sorry Israel...but the only scenario I see that would EVER make it acceptable for the U.S.A. to EVER nuke ANYONE...is in direct retaliation to another country attempting to nuke OUR country!

Obama said that an attack on Israel from Iran would cause a retaliation from the U.S.....he didn't say anything about OBLITERATING them! Reckless, irresponsible, and extremely frightening rhetoric coming from the woman who as we speak...is doing all she can to obliterate her current competition in a freaking primary election...yeah...she's doing it to one of her "friends!" So to all who still support Hillary...go ahead! Keep voting for her...let her steal the nomination...let her beat McCain...if she's lucky...and let her become President. World War III is LONG overdue anyway! I just hope that as you breath in your last breath of radiation you think to yourself..."damn...maybe we should have tried change."

[Jack Rabbit]

75. You answered your question

(S)he is absolutely trying to look tough.

To repeat something I said about her a couple of weeks ago: That's not leadership; that's posturing.

[Weevlitz]

77. Ha! I did didn't I!

That's what I get for typing my subject line before completing the body of the message! Thank you! Lesson learned! :O)

[golfdad]

65. I think Israel is provoking all Arabs by PLO abuse

Palestine was the original inhabitants of Israel before the
west won the war half a century ago. Now they need a homeland
but they are kept in slave camps. In the overall population
whites are a minority. Probably Israel will get nuked by some
state but it will be a secret who did it. Russia and China are
backing Iran so it looks like the end of the world if it
happens.

[XemaSab]

82. Welcome to DU

We've got a special forum for Israel/Palestine discussion.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=124

Enjoy! :hi:

[XemaSab]

69. Are we allowed to call her a psycho bitch now?

If we're not, can someone PM me when we are, so that I can officially call her one? :shrug:

[ForeignSpectator]

76. PM me then, too, okay? n/t

[XemaSab]

83. Will do

:hi:

[ForeignSpectator]

84. Cos I really wanna know...

...now she is cackling all over the place with murderous ex-congressmen and fox and friends. "breathe, 21, 22, 23"

Enough DU for today. And I am waiting for that PM ;)

:hi:

[Mini Taquito]

88. Hillery

The reason I support Hillery as do most of my Gay Hispanic Friends is that she is the personification of Harry Truman. I say give em Hell Hillery. That well meaning but historically empty and gutless carpetbagger Obama (I don't want to hear shit about his ancestors suffering as slaves, they were slave holders) would have lost the Cold War in a week. Stalin would have eaten him alive as will UBL.

[gateley]

90. HI - Welcome to DU! and learn to spell your candidate's name correctly.

:hi:

[Danieljay]

89. Hillary... we must obliterate them (Iran)? OMG. This is insane. n/t