80 yr Old Man Arrested For Wearing Wrong Shirt

[New Dawn]

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This country is moving closer towards fascism every day.

[DUlover2909]

1. OMG what can we do? Can I sue them?

I have a lawyer friend. Can I sue their cops in NY? What can I do? This is Nazi Hitler Tojo Stalin BULLSHIT! What can I do?

[DrDan]

2. so is the ACLU going to step up to this one

Sounds like a tailor-case made for them.

[CherylK]

3. Bump!

[lame54]

4. I wore my hoodie at the mall on a bad hair day and...

the security guard came up to me and told me that that was not allowed - so I took the hood down
strange rules they have

[bjobotts]

6. The rulesare whatever they decide they are for that day

[ihavenobias]

5. Kick

[Sam Ervin jret]

7. Bring suit against the mall owners for civil liberties violations, then go for the police too.

It's not outrageous enough that a mall thinks it has the right to tell you what you can wear while shopping, (as long as it is within the legal decency laws) which most of the stuff in the windows at the mall are not, BUT to have the police actually make the removal is beyond disgraceful.

It is frightening.

How much of a police state are we willing to live in? Who are these police? Where were they trained? They and their supervisors need to be brought up on charges of civil liberties violations.

[NM Independent]

8. Oh Jesus Christ on a spoon

How in the hell could this happen. Do these people not know they are figuratively shitting on the Constitution by doing this?

Seriously, :wtf:

I am sooo friggin pissed off right now. Aaaaaarghhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Shadowsmith]

9. Well...

I do not agree with this action. However, most malls are private property. If the mall's owners find a shirt offensive they have the right to ask you to remove it or to leave the mall.

Now in a public space freedom of speech applies. On public sidewalks, parks, and other publicly owned venues that shirt shouldn't have resulted in a confrontation with the police.

Also, he was removed from the building, not arrested. There is a huge difference there.

Now, that said, he should talk to everyone who will listen and let them know what the mall did. If people stay away from the mall because of such actions, the owners may change their stance.

[unapatriciated]

18. According to this he was arrested

Zirkel was charged with criminal trespassing and resisting arrest. He was released on bail. A spokeswoman for mall owner Simon Property Group did not immediately return calls seeking comment

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/03/30/7974/

[Diclotican]

10. New Dawn

New Dawn

What a wonderfully democracy you have over there today...

On the other hand, to be reminded that 4000 american soldiers have been killed..That ONE million Iraqi have been killed, could be to much to bear for some I guess:freak: So long this sick war is out of peoples mind, then the fact on the ground, in Iraq would be the same...

The same happened in the Vietnam war. It was first when the american public, and to some degree in the rest of the world, was understanding what US was doing in the country, that the anti-war sentiment was growing and growing fast in US... And the same is the case here. So long the media, and the government are not willing to inform people what REALLY happening in Iraq, for the most the population would just not care...

But if EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN have the chance to se what WAR indeed are. 4000 american fallen soldiers, then they "Might" get a glimpse of what war is... And in WAR people are KILLED, and are not standing up again..

Diclotican

Sorry my bad english, not my native language

[jjr5]

11. Wow . . .

My gosh, what has happened to this country? Cenk is right! We need to start a movement about this. -

[navarth]

12. On Long Island??? Isn't that located somewhere near the 21st Century?

unbelievable. if it's private property and within the law, then these assholes need some serious boycotting.

The problem for me is normally I'd rather have a root canal than go into a mall, so it's not like they'd notice.

[freedom fighter jh]

13. Something like this happened 5 years ago.

He Kept His Shirt On -- And Got Arrested: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0305-08.htm

[1monster]

19. How was this case settled? nt

On edit: I googled and found that the mall dropped the charges after about 150 people showed up in various "Peace" tees, marched up and down the mall, and told the management that they would not stop coming back in tees as a group until the mall dropped the charges against Steve Downs.

The mall folded and requested that the charges be dropped that same afternoon.

[DaveJ]

14. I don't get the private property concept...

A mall is a place where the public convenes, so it seems like a "public area" to me.

Nearly all places are owned by someone, and can be construed as private, but that would also mean that we have no freedoms EVER except in our own homes, and even owning our own homes now is considered a rare privilege. Therefore, do we have no rights, ever???

[radhika]

15. BOYCOTT: GIVE NAME & LOCATION OF MALL

The best is to hurt them where it really matters - their wallets. Let's push hard and loud to all right-minded Americans to boycott the entire mall, all stores, until the management apologizes publicly and changes its policies.

Don't drop one red cent there at all!

[freedom fighter jh]

16. Yes, I think that's the answer n/t

[unapatriciated]

17. Here is the name of the mall and city

Police said that Don Zirkel, of Bethpage, was disturbing shoppers at the Lake Grove mall with his T-shirt, which had what they described as “graphic anti-war images.” Zirkel, a deacon at Our Lady of the Miraculous Medal in Wyandanch, said his shirt had the death tolls of American military personnel and Iraqis - 4,000 and 1 million - and the words “Dead” and “Enough.” The shirt also has three blotches resembling blood splatters.

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/03/30/7974/