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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 03:24 PM
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Has anyone heard from "Stormin' Norman" Schwarzkopf?
Edited on Thu Apr-20-06 03:26 PM by lebkuchen
Since Schwarzkopf was the commander of the US Central Command who led the coalition forces that defeated Iraq in Operation Desert Shield/Storm, he should have plenty to say about the disaster Bush has created in Iraq today.

Sometimes it does take a hero, to speak out.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 03:25 PM
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1. He could blow this entire thing wide open, yes?
Peace.
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 03:36 PM
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9. W I D E open
yah! It's his moral and professional obligation to do so.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 03:30 PM
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2. He's saving grizzly bears.
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coffeenap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 03:32 PM
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3. Uh-oh, don't tell Stephen Colbert! nt
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 03:34 PM
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8. oh, you beat me to the Colbert joke! n/t
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SammyBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 03:33 PM
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4. Doesn't seem too right wing Republican of him
Saving bears, protecting the environment and conservation! Seems down right Democrat of it.

Hmmmmm. . .wonder why he's a registered Republican then?
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coffeenap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 03:34 PM
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7. Look at the supporters--this is for hunters. nt
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 03:47 PM
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13. It's actually a kind of an apolitical crew.
I worked in this field briefly. Grizzlies are a threatened species and why the govt keeps trying to take them off the endangered list, I believe you can only hunt them in Alaska. I haven't been around bear people in years, so correct me if I'm wrong.

The grizzly nuts I knew were more libertarian than liberal...
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SammyBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 03:48 PM
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14. I am a hunter. I have no problems wit hunting.
I've shot animals before. I have two deer heads in my parlor.

Don't think what dead eye Dick"head" Cheney does is hunting. It's not. I grew up in gun country NY. I'm proud of my hunting and fishing background.

I live in Arizona now. We're hunters as well. If he's doing it for hunters, fine. There are alot of things that go into hunting permits.

Here in AZ, you're entitled to 1 elk, or one bear per season, depending on the permit.

I'd rather he work for a sportsman group than some damn oil company!
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SodoffBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 03:53 PM
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19. How can you stand to shoot an elk?
They saunter up to my folks' home in AZ to look for feed. They are so majestic, and move so slowly. "Elsie" has practically become a family pet.

Why not shoot cans off fences instead? They're a more difficult target and would better test one's marksmanship.
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SammyBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 04:03 PM
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26. Because I like Elk meat.
Because I use the fur for rugs, mount the head and eat the meat.

Same reason I shot White tail deer when I lived in the Catskill Mountains of NY and the same reason I went Deep Sea fishing for Tuna, Bluefish, Blackfish and Striped Bass.

I like the taste.

I shoot wild turkey too because I like the taste of wild turkey over the sterioded up store turkey. Hell, I get my beef from a private beef farm and not the store.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 04:09 PM
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29. Argh!!
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SammyBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 04:14 PM
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32. I'll admit, I'm a hick. A well educated hick, but a hick
I like to hunt, fish, hike, camp and yes, I love red meat.

I don't force it down people's throats, but my fellow progressives feel the need to force veganism down mine while I'm enjoying a kosher hamburger.

I listen carefully, continue to eat, then thank them for their time and walk away.
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SodoffBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 04:16 PM
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36. I hope Elsie doesn't walk in your backyard.
She's pregnant now.
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SammyBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 04:24 PM
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40. Who is Elsie?
I don't know who Elsie is.

And, no, you never shot a pregnant elk, an elk with a fawn or a yearling. IMHO, the fines for that SHOULD be much higher!
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SodoffBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 04:26 PM
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42. Elsie is the adorable pregnant elk that walks in my parents' yard
Edited on Thu Apr-20-06 04:31 PM by SodoffBush
looking for feed.

She has cute eyes, is very tame, has a big stomach and walks with a slow gait. Don't shoot her.

But you can fire some warning shots over the javalinas' ears if you'd like. They can be rather nasty.
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SammyBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 05:21 PM
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46. *rolls eyes* it is illegal to fire a gun towards a house
and I have never shot a pregnant animal. You can tell if one is pregnant or not.
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SodoffBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 04:15 PM
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35. I guess it's like the Makah Indian Whale Hunt in Washington
It's part of your culture. Why stop it, even with Safeway down the street, although, granted, Safeway probably nukes its food.

Do you grow your own veggies as well? Just curious.
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SammyBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 04:25 PM
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41. I did, when I lived in NY. And my own fruit too
Now, I just grow my own fruit, or I go to Trader Joe's for organic.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 03:50 PM
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18. Two weeks ago he held a fundraiser in my town
it was a clayshoot here to benefit a great charity

I don't know where he is politically anymore.
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 04:01 PM
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25. Since he hasn't spoken out, I guess he's neutral.
That's a safe place to be when one wants to avoid offending a book-purchasing public.
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SammyBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 04:05 PM
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27. That's rude. Not everyone needs to take up a political cause
Danny Thomas worked with children, as does Jerry Lewis.

To the best of my recollection, Danny Thomas wasn't political and did great things.

Not everyone who is famous is a Harry Chapin or a John Lennon.

Sometimes, social causes are just as important as political ones.
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 04:12 PM
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30. Danny Thomas and Jerry Lewis weren't war heroes
nor did they make money off their image as one.

Norman is and has. It's only natural, now that other generals involved in war planning and execution have spoken up, to wonder, hey, what's Norm's take on all this? After all, he led Desert Storm I.
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SammyBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 04:15 PM
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34. Has anyone bothered to ask him?
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SodoffBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 04:17 PM
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37. Don't know, but they should
don't you think?

I doubt Bush has asked, nor Rummy. Especially not Rummy.
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 04:21 PM
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39. Norm is pretty busy. He's retired, don't you know?
He can't be bothered with political chitchat.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 03:34 PM
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5. who'd have thought
Stormin Norman is just another God damn hippie pushing the 'bear agenda'
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 03:34 PM
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6. Well that's a step in the right direction.
Edited on Thu Apr-20-06 03:43 PM by lebkuchen
Now we know how he feels about polar bears, walrusses and global warming. It would also be helpful if he let the public know how he felt about "The Long War" and tens of thousands dead, dying, imprisoned without due process and otherwise targeted with each passing day for the last three years.
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SammyBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 03:49 PM
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17. Personally, he should stay out of it, IMHO
Let him do what he feels he needs to do. If protecting Grizzly Bears is his thing, let him run with it.
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 03:55 PM
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21. cash in on his name and flee the premises
in the face of WWIII?

How "heroic."
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SammyBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 04:01 PM
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23. He to his own. Maybe he feels he's powerless to stop it because the Chimp
doesn't listen to anyone except the "voices."
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 04:06 PM
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28. The public buys Norman's books.
The public would listen to what he has to say, and he could topple Bush overnight.

But, hey, Norman is retired, so he doesn't want to be bothered with such trifling matters. I completely understand.
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SammyBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 04:13 PM
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31. Now, you're just being rude and condescending.
Again, why does everyone need to take up political issues. Sometimes, social issues are just as important. I'm glad he's working with handicapped kids in Florida.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 05:43 PM
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47. From what I understand...
he worked for one of the MSM's...(CNN, MSNBC)--can't remember which one. He REFUSED to carry the water for Little Lord Pissypants and he quit his gig. That speaks VOLUMES, IMO.

Just my 2 cents worth of info.....

Peace.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 03:43 PM
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10. Eh....he didn't say shit when he should have, about where
the wind blew, and what chem dumps were blown up...and now we've a ton of servicemembers crippled from GWI. He doesn't impress me.
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 03:46 PM
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12. You want to dredge that stuff up now, when it's long been forgotten?
:kick:


Norman's silence is deafening.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 03:54 PM
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20. The families still suffering have not forgotten.... n/t
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 04:00 PM
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22. The Bush administration has forgotten.
Evidence: Bush gave Jim Nicholson the position of Sec. of Veterans' Affairs, and Nicholson hasn't done squat to help the vets. In fact, he has turned money down that the democratic party was begging him to accept in anticipation of returning wounded vets from Iraq/Afghanistan.

Nicholson is another Brownie/Chertoff. Bush sure knows how to pick 'em!
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 03:44 PM
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11. He has, just not recently...
someone found this and posted it a couple of days ago:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A52450-2003Jan...
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 03:48 PM
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16. "He hunts with the first President Bush."
Notice the article doesn't mention Cheney? Smart man, Norman.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 05:57 PM
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48. You are right!!!!!!!!!!!! Nice quote:
The general who commanded U.S. forces in the 1991 Gulf War says he hasn't seen enough evidence to convince him that his old comrades Dick Cheney, Colin Powell and Paul Wolfowitz are correct in moving toward a new war now. He thinks U.N. inspections are still the proper course to follow. He's worried about the cockiness of the U.S. war plan, and even more by the potential human and financial costs of occupying Iraq.

Schwarzkopf: "I have gotten somewhat nervous at some of the pronouncements Rumsfeld has made."




And don't get him started on Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.


In fact, the hero of the last Gulf War sounds surprisingly like the man on the street when he discusses his ambivalence about the Bush administration's hawkish stance on ousting Saddam Hussein. He worries about the Iraqi leader, but would like to see some persuasive evidence of Iraq's alleged weapons programs
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 03:48 PM
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15. I don't know the details...
but as I understand it, he's not very popular within the military?

:shrug:
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 04:01 PM
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24. Last I heard .....



He lives in the Tampa area and does a lot of work on behalf of sick and handicapped kids.
It's probably good that he retired when he did. I don't think his personality would mesh real well with the Boosh badministration.





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enid602 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 04:14 PM
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33. # of troops
Received latest edition of 'US News & WR' last night. In an article regarding Iraq, it said there were about 2.5 million US soldiers in the first Persian Gulf War (which lasted all of a month or so), versus only 550,000 in Iraq during the last 3 years. Wonder what Norman would say about that.
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SodoffBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 04:19 PM
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38. Yeah. I wonder, too.
But, I know he's busy, with the bears and such.
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 04:27 PM
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43. "Wouldn't it be great for our armed forces and for America if we could
have another commander-in-chief named George Bush with Dick Cheney on his team?"
- Schwarzkopf speaking from USS New Jersey to 2000 GOP convention
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 04:30 PM
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44. Thanks for the reminder of that comment.
I won't be buying Norm's autobiography.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 04:31 PM
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45. haven't heard from him pro or con.
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