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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 07:51 PM
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Cramdown, Stripdown, Lockdown Democracy In The USA - By DU's Own Autorank
From: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0604/S00233.htm

SIMPLE QUESTIONS -- TROUBLING ANSWERS


Q&A Session with a Commissioner of the Elections Assistance Commission Reveals Massive Violations of Citizen Rights

Secret Vote Counting Crammed Down the Throat of Democracy



Special Report for Scoop Independent Media
First in a Series on HAVA and the EAC
By Michael Collins
Washington, DC


CONTENTS:
INTRODUCTION:
THE QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS: Citizen Paul Lehto, Questions Ray Martinez, Attorney-at-Law and Commissioner, Election Assistance Commission.
THE IMPLICATIONS: The Citizen Lehto - Commissioner Martinez Exchange.
CRAMDOWN, STRIPDOWN, LOCKDOWN
DEFENDING DEMOCRACY
CITIZEN ACTION NOW
APPENDICES:
A. Key Help America Vote Act 2002 language.
B. Illustration of paper versus electronic voting.

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INTRODUCTION:

The Help America Vote Act of 2002 (HAVA) was passed on the heels of the Florida 2000 presidential election and its hanging chad problem. These ambiguous ballot chads riveted and frustrated the nation for a couple of months in late 2000. However, few thought the solution to the ambiguity of hanging chad evidence of a voters intent would be to completely eliminate that evidence.

HAVA (with the help of nearly $4 billion in federal grant money to fund purchases of voting machines) eliminates the evidence of voter intent by eliminating the paper, instead votes are registered and tabulated on computer-controlled direct recording electronic (DRE) voting machines, most commonly touch screen voting machines. Invisible electronic ballots are the result of these DRE touch screens; electronic vote tabulation software does the vital vote counting in secret. For citizens and public officials, these electronic vote-counting software processes are strictly off limits. There is literally nothing to see; there are no public records of vote counting. To preserve this secrecy, DRE purchase contracts often pledge the government to cooperate with the vendors to fight the very citizens the government is pledged to serve.

What is this secrecy in vote counting, really? To have the votes counted in secret by your political enemy is the picture of tyranny. To have the votes counted in secret by your political friend is the picture of corruption. To even desire such an unaccountable power is itself corrupt. So how is HAVA cramming this down the throat of American democracy?

HAVA, it turns out, provides a $3.8 billion carrot of federal money to assist election jurisdictions with purchases that comply with HAVAs standards. This federal carrot is combined with a big lawsuit stick for noncompliance. The date for required compliance with HAVA is the first federal election in 2006 (the primary), and violations of HAVA are routinely guaranteed by the U.S. Department of Justice to be cause for a lawsuit. New York was the first major example made of a big state, when DOJ filed suit to force compliance with HAVAs standards in March 2006.

HAVA standards require voting accessibility for people with all disabilities. They also require at least one accessible voting device per polling location. Adding considerably to the stress of some local jurisdictions is the fact that there is no single voting system that allows accessibility for all disabilities, whether of sight, motor abilities up to quadriplegia, or other disabilities as defined by the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA).

However, HAVA helpfully states an example of compliance with this accessibility requirement in a single machine: DRE voting systems, such as touch screen voting systems. While other technologies are at best problematic and fraught with risks of noncompliance and lawsuits by both disabled groups and the DOJ, there exists a relatively safe harbor with DRE touch screens. HAVA names them as an example of a voting system that is compliant by law, though obviously not in fact, because touch screens serve less than half of the total disabled population. Clearly, the HAVA safe harbor, misrepresentations about other technologies, and the hype about DREs all combine to clear the way for touch screen DREs, and all the threatened lawsuits make perfect the HAVA Cramdown of DRE touch screen voting technology into our elections.

At $3,000 to $5,000 a piece, and with regular breakdowns and vote switching behaviors reported, with touch screen DREs crammed down the throat of democracy, we can look forward to bottlenecked long lines for these expensive machines, together with many years of elections that nobody can verify because of the secret vote counting.

Because of the trade secrecy claims and the nature of electronic vote counting on hard drives, with touch screen DREs, the voters never see the final form of their ballots, and the ballots are all counted in complete corporate trade secrecy. Making any reasonable connection between the intent of the voters and the invisible electronic ballot requires an elections theory that borders on magical thinking.

The wildly unaccountable features of invisible ballots and secret vote counting, and the fact that DREs do not accommodate more than half of all disabilities yet get a free pass under HAVA, should give us reason to pause to reevaluate the law and its outcomes. Yet at this very moment, the Department of Justice is proceeding, suing and threatening to sue any and all jurisdictions that do not comply with HAVA, scaring them into the only seemingly safe route to go under HAVA: touch screen DREs, even though some brave jurisdictions have still rejected that route.

Local and state activists have taken a variety of approaches. Some have filed complaints under HAVA, others are lobbying Congress, and some are litigating, in states including Washington, California, New Mexico, New Jersey, Tennessee, and Ohio.

On Saturday, April 8, a group of nearly 100 election integrity activists gathered in Washington DC for a conference. They heard a speech Commissioner Ray Martinez, one of the four commissioners on the federal Election Assistance Commission (EAC), who is an attorney. The EAC, it turns out, administers HAVA and, with the help of the DOJ, administers what they will not want to call the HAVA Cramdown, sweetened by the $3.8 billion in federal money that can be used for the purchase of voting systems, including DREs for all voters, not just disabled voters.

Nevertheless, Martinez spoke of EACs commitment to fair elections and provided some background on HAVA. He is a Democratic appointee and lawyer who had recently in a speech at Princeton made constructive comments on election reform, and is probably the most sympathetic voice for citizens on the EAC in an area where the public has few friends these days.

At the beginning of the question-and-answer period for Commissioner Martinez, business law and consumer fraud attorney Paul Lehto, of Everett, Washington, pointed to the secret vote counting that always takes place on touch screen voting machines, and asked a simple but powerful question:

Paul Lehto: My question is: By what right or authority did my right to watch the counting of the vote get taken away?

Along with Lehtos two follow-up questions, the responses by Commissioner Martinez point out more detail in the massive civil rights violation of the HAVA Cramdown. The tip of this iceberg is in clear view; the size and impact will grow enormously as the federal elections approach in late summer and fall.

Another large portion of the iceberg is revealed by John Gideons recent article on the coming train wreck of electronic voting in 2006, showing how the corporate feeding frenzy at the government HAVA trough of billions is leading to widespread equipment failures and inability of vendors to deliver and maintain the equipment through rapid deployment phases this year.

These and related dynamics occurring right now in American democracy will impact elections all over the United States this year and for generations to come. It should be noted that it was Lehto that initiated major litigation against Sequoia Voting Systems in Washington State regarding DREs, after coauthoring a scientific study of election results produced by them. He is credited by many with initiating a process that was one of several factors causing Sequoia to have to leave his county of Snohomish when the county council voted to abandon use of the touch screens.

This foregoing is the context for the question-and-answer session below, which took place in Washington DC on April 8, 2006.

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THE QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS: Citizen Paul Lehto, Questions Ray Martinez, Attorney-at-Law and Commissioner, Election Assistance Commission.


... SNIP...



See Much Much More...
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0604/S00233.htm

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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 07:55 PM
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1. New Zealand now officially knows more about
America's voting problems than America does.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:00 PM
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2. Excellent!
The more people who hear this, the better. K&R
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 01:11 PM
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74. Thank you so much...the word needs to get out...it's a "rigged" game!!!
Who wants to play in a fixed game...apparently a fair number of people. They don't care about the contest of ideas, just the acquisition and retention of power. Well, enough is enough. Follow the damn rules, play fair, be as aggressive as you want, though; and well meet you on a level playing field. They can't stand the truth, though, because it's so painful. They end up controlling what they fantasize is a great democracy but deny the nature of their "prize" in the way power is acquired.

It's gone on too long.

Time for some real democracy.


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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 03:27 PM
Response to Reply #74
86. I sent this thread
along with the Warren County article and that thread to KO. It's the least I could do, and I know he's been as curious about the shenanigans as we have.

I always enjoy your posts and there is no doubt that the vote has to be counted properly. There is no issue more important.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:46 PM
Response to Reply #86
94. Wow! Thanks so much!!! n/t
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:10 PM
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3. So very excellent!
Nominated, kicked, and nominated again just to see the "Error" message!

Autorank and LandShark:

:yourock:

:patriot:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:12 PM
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4. Kick kick kick kickity KICK!!!
and recommended :woohoo: :patriot:

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:14 PM
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5. Great!
Thanks for posting this!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 01:12 PM
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75. Thank you for your work on Fitz and that channel of the freedom struggle.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:18 PM
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6. kick.
:kick:
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:24 PM
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7. What an excellent and comprehensive article! K&N
Great job, autorank. Wow.
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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 02:20 PM
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82. Excellent.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 07:29 PM
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90. Kick'n
:kick:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 09:37 PM
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104. kick!
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:26 PM
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8. Kickin myself a little bit but hope that's ok; A kick and a Big Shove
Edited on Wed Apr-19-06 08:26 PM by Land Shark
My favorite:
What is this secrecy in vote counting, really? To have the votes counted in secret by your political enemy is the picture of tyranny. To have the votes counted in secret by your political friend is the picture of corruption. To even desire such an unaccountable power is itself corrupt. So how {and why} is HAVA cramming this down the throat of American democracy?
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 09:03 PM
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11. Both you and Autorank rock, Landshark!
I'm still reading (just finished putting th kids to bed) but it's a great piece and you asked great questions! Will you post this to USE? Back to finish.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 09:54 PM
Response to Reply #11
23. Didn't come through on USe but did on the other list servs
perhaps you've made it to the election reform "no fly" list with your poignant questions. Let me know if you want me to re-attempt to get it on.

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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 10:21 PM
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25. Sweet! Shark & I both get to kick ourselves. THANK YOU althecat/"Scoop"
Edited on Wed Apr-19-06 10:25 PM by autorank
Thank you althecat and "Scoop" for allowing those of on the margins of the fringes to keep alive ideas
that the vast of Americans believe as an article of both faith and rational deduction; ideas that
they're not able to hear, except through the our good friends in NZ (who go everywhere) and other
brave sites because MSM/CM (Corporate Media), our "leaders," and the "know it alls" think that voting
rights and democracy are somehow a bit to revolutionary. Well, they were and they are. So deal with it!

And Shark, sorry, but this is my favorite, especially the confrontation with overwhelming logic
and truth inducing
reasons from the EAC. Nice work.

MR. LEHTO: My name is Paul Lehto. Im from Washington State. Under our Washington
State statutes, we have <long had> the right to be in a polling location on Election Day and Night
to watch the counting of the vote, the right to be in a counting center to watch the
counting of the vote, and theres a canvassing board that handles appeals in case of
questions about voter intent. Now, my question is when the HAVA money comes down from the EAC
to fund the purchase of DREs: Suddenly, just by my county signing a purchase
contract <to buy touch screen DREs>, I dont have the right to watch the vote anymore.
My question is: By what right or authority did my right to watch the counting of the vote get taken
away?


MR. MARTINEZ: Okay, in what way was your rights - how did you get - how did it
get taken away?

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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 10:23 PM
Response to Reply #25
26. just like the real dark ages, certain folks and orders of monks
took it upon themselves to keep the flames of knowledge alive, heroes like SCOOP
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 01:48 PM
Response to Reply #8
80. My fave too
I was going to use it as my sig line, but you beat me to it.


Anyways, way to go guys! :yourock: :patriot: :headbang:
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 02:01 PM
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81. feel free to use that quote as your sig line, I'll use another.
sign line now changed...
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 03:17 PM
Response to Reply #81
85. Wow.
..In addition to being an true patriot you are also a gentleman. Thank you on all accounts, but in particular for the work that you do on behalf of the American people.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:48 PM
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9. Damn, I think they should be scared of us...... KNRing
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:53 PM
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10. K & R
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 09:06 PM
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12. "By what right or authority did my right to watch the counting of the vote
get taken away?"

K&R for Democracy and two of my favorite guys!


:kick:
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 09:30 PM
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17. and still waiting for a good answer to that one! n/t
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 09:11 PM
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13. kick
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 09:14 PM
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14. Kudos to Autorank, Paul and other heros of democracy!
The iceberg metaphor is a great one. Hammer that home. That's what we're heading for, at full steam ahead--but with many good people crying the alarm.

Let the monitoring of the 2006 elections begin!

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For those that need them...

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SOME RESOURCES FOR AMERICAN REVOLUTION II:

Hopeful signs - latest news:

California voters sue the state over Diebold:
www.VoterAction.org--just announced--is suing the state of California and 18 Calif county registrars on behalf of 25 California voter/plaintiffs, on the illegal Diebold "certification" by Schwarzenegger appointee Bruce McPherson.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Maryland rejects Diebold:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Florida - anti-trust accusations against Diebold, ES&S and Sequoia, re: heroic Florida election official Ion Sancho:
(FLA AG subpoenas the companies)
http://www.computerworld.com/governmenttopics/governmen...
http://www.tbo.com/news/politics/MGBKSY8W8LE.html
(info & discussion)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Utah county clerk fights back!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

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More resources for American Revolution II:

www.votersunite.org (MythBreakers - easy primer on electronic voting--one of the myths is that HAVA requires electronic voting; it does not.)
www.UScountvotes.org (statistical monitoring of '06 and '08 elections--they need donations)


(Activist sites with links to state activist groups or info)
www.votetrustusa.org (news of this great movement from around the country)
www.votersunited.org (good general info, and state links)
www.verifiedvoting.org (great activist site)
www.solarbus.org/election/index.shtml (fab compendium of all election info)

www.freepress.org (devoted to election reform)
www.bradblog.com (also great, and devoted to election reform)
www.TruthIsAll.net (analysis of the 2004 election)* :patriot: :applause: :patriot:
www.votepa.us (well-organized local group of citizen activists in Pennsylvania, where important legal issues are at stake, including state's rights over election systems)
Provisions of the PA lawsuit:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

The Voter Confidence Resolution
http://tinyurl.com/rlnr2 (We Do Not Consent)
http://guvwurld.blogspot.com (GuvWurld blog main page)
http://tinyurl.com/amryg (Voter Confidence Resolution

www.debrabowen.com (Calif Senator running for Sec of State to reform election system)
www.johnbonifaz.com (running for Massachusetts Sec of State on strong election reform and antiwar platform)

*Some tributes to TruthIsAll, who is very ill:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Congressional bills:

Russ Holt's HR 550 requires a real paper ballot, bans secret software in "voting machines", and has more than 170 co-sponsors, but the audit required is too weak, it promotes electronic voting and centralized power, and the secret software might be permitted to continue in the central tabulators (the bill is not clear). To sign the HR 550 petition: http://www.rushholt.com/petition.html
At lot of discussion at DU of the loopholes/pitfalls in HR 550:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
(Note: Senate Bill-SB 330 and House-HR704 simply require a "voter verified paper audit trail" (VVPAT), which may be best for the moment.)


Also of interest:

Bob Koehler (-- four recent election reform initiatives in Ohio, predicted to win by 60/40 votes, flipped over, on election day, into 60/40 LOSSES!--the biggest flipover we've seen yet; the election theft machines and their masters are now dictating election policy!)
www.tmsfeatures.com/tmsfeatures/subcategory.jsp?file=20...

Bob Koehler's latest: "Take this box and stuff it" (3/16/06)
http://commonwonders.com/archives/col337.htm

Amaryllis (Diebold, ES&S, Sequoia lavish lobbying of election officials - Beverly Hilton, Aug. '05)
www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=vi...

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Throw Diebold, ES&S and ALL election theft machines into 'Boston Harbor' NOW!

:think: :patriot: :woohoo: :patriot: :think:

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"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it." --Thomas Jefferson, The Declaration of Independence
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 10:35 AM
Response to Reply #14
51. HAVA is nothing but a Trojan pig to overtake democracy,
for all the pork involved.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 10:45 AM
Response to Reply #51
54. excellent turn of phrase, may need to be used frequently!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 10:57 AM
Response to Reply #14
57. The post above by Peace Patriot is an outstanding resource.
Edited on Thu Apr-20-06 10:59 AM by autorank
What a collection ... bookmarked

2006 will be a mess and not entirely of the "intentional" kind. The process has been too rushed and the resources available too slim. I'm seeing news stories of vendors who simply don't show up for meetings on problems or who fail to provide service. Distressing. The "machine" companies are not at all typical of American high tech concerns. There is a great emphasis in Northern Virginia, Silicon Valley, and anywhere the new high tech companies operate, on: working 60-70 hour weeks; getting the job done and done right, on time; fixing the expected problems in a proper way; and, most of all, respect for and collaboration with the customer.

I just don't understand these vendors. It's like they're from another...oh wait...they don't care because they don't have to care. They're a virtual monopoly!
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 02:30 PM
Response to Reply #57
84. "I just don't understand these vendors." Think about the vendors in Iraq,
and Rumsfeld's defense of the looters: freedom = the freedom to loot. The chaos in Iraq--also during Katrina--is by design. It is not incompetence. It creates the necessary conditions for unaccountable thievery. I'm also reminded of the chaos in California--the blackouts, etc., and Gov. Davis scrambling around, desperately trying to put fingers in the dikes--all preparatory to Enron's (Bush buds') theft of the $9 billion California surplus that Davis had created by careful management.

It is a NO-BRAINER to create a transparent, smoothly functioning voting system. It is done ROUTINELY throughout the democratic world.

But we are not part of that world anymore, not so far as good government is concerned.* They are fucking it up ON PURPOSE. This is the Bush mode. It's not just that, in chaos and secrecy, they can steal votes. It's that, in chaos and secrecy, they also have maneuvering room for blackmail, intimidation, bribery, swiftboating and other smear campaigns, bringing their billions of dollars to bear in every kind of overt and covert election thievery and related skulduggery, possibly even buying off or blackmailing the Supreme Court, and planting bogus charges against Kevin Shelley. They did it in 2000. They did it in 2002. And they did it in 2004. Chaos, fear, lawbreaking, no paper trail, secret programming, untrustworthy and secretive election officials, overt breakings of the law in recounts, etc., etc.

As I said, it's NOT DIFFICULT to create fair elections. The insecurity, unreliability, hackability and frequent breakdowns of these crapass electronic voting machines is part of the program!

You are right that "they don't care because they don't have to care." There is no one in the Bush junta interested in MAKING them care. The goal in fact was to put people in charge of our elections--private corporate vendors with close ties to the junta--who DON'T care, so as to create voters who are so demoralized and disempowered that THEY cease to care. That's what chaos can do. It can make you give up! All the better to loot everybody blind.

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*American democracy will never die, as long as we, the people, still believe in it.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 09:17 PM
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15. Kick
:kick:
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 09:25 PM
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16. Thanks for posting....Autorank is a true patriot.
We appreciate the great work he does on our behalf.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 11:02 AM
Response to Reply #16
59. Thank you for the kind words. We have an aw some advocate in Land Shark
We're all in this together and things have to change. Land Shark (Paul Lehto) opened my eyes to some nuances in legislative language and the act's implementation that are the political equivalent of the shockers we've seen examining 2004 with all it's statistical impossibilities.

Cheers
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 09:32 PM
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18. You know, I understand the issues and know the story
Edited on Wed Apr-19-06 09:32 PM by Canuckistanian
But to see it in print explained so simply and powerfully is awesome.

And to an audience of a foreign country. Too bad Americans won't see it or anything like it, anytime soon.

The article would have been Andy's pride and joy.

K&R twice (once on another forum).
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 11:03 AM
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60. What a kind thing to say re Andy. They will see it here, it's just
harder to get out
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 09:33 PM
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19. I love you both!!!!
One special hug for Autorank...my favorite Raider dude!!!!! :pals:

Peace.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 09:34 PM
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20. Read the Last Paragraph...
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 01:08 PM
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73. Of course you would get the entire point AuntiBush;) Link to specific para

This link goes right were AntiBush is suggesting:

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0604/S00233.htm#5

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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 09:35 PM
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21. wow! great job autorank! k&r n/t
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In Truth We Trust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 09:47 PM
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22. K&R, & Bookmarked for distribution! Paper ballots NOW! Hand counts NOW!!!
great work Autorank and Landshark!!!

Democracy NOW!!!
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 09:59 PM
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24. and secret vote counting is absolute power, is it not?
Power Corrupts! Absolute power corrupts ABSOLUTELY!
and secret vote counting is absolute power, is it not?
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 10:48 PM
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28. For the "architects" of power, it is...
But it's only a delusion based on a misplaced sense of entitlement. They are ultimately
forced to live in bunkers, associate with only those who share the delusion, and rapidly descend
into a recursive maze of echoing blather that ultimately leads to their demise and departure.


Does this man look peaceful
because of his power?
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 01:16 PM
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77. Great work the three of you! A troika of DU promoters of
elections that are democratic in fact as well as in name. You guys rule!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 10:41 PM
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27. althecat & "Scoop" have a great compendium - American Coup II-link


Share this link too!

http://www.scoop.co.nz/features/?s=usacoup

American Coup II ... the history of the descenet into tyrany...

Speaking of tyrany, "Scoop" hit the cyberwaves first with this article on Gore's speech 1/16/06

Al Gores Devastating Indictment of President Bush
CALLS FOR SPECIAL COUNSEL
Quiescent Congress and Judiciary Enabling Tyranny


Special for Scoop Independent Media
From Washington, DC
Michael Collins
January 16, 2005

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0601/S00122.htm
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 11:03 PM
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29. Kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight
Keep kicking!

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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 11:16 PM
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30. K&R - Go team
Great work guys. I remember thinking the "right or authority" question was poignant because the quote jumped out at me when the Martinez event was first in the news. This article amplifies it powerfully with more context.

On a related note, Paul was quoted in a recent column by Robert C. Koehler called "Faith-Based Voting." I forwarded the piece to the publisher of the Humboldt Advocate to suggest that he add Koehler to his roster of syndicated writers. This week's edition has the "Faith-Based Voting" essay. I don't know if they'll carry him in each weekly edition, but this is significant because it is at least the fourth time Paul has been in the Humboldt media in the past three weeks (since the launch of We Do Not Consent, my new book for which Paul wrote the Foreword (/shameless plug))
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 11:29 PM
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31. That shameless plug deserves a strong reply
I just talked to someone today reading GuvWurld's book (see links above) and enjoying it. And no, Guv and I did not discuss the above post. : ) Thanks for the link to Humboldt Advocate Guv, I didn't know that! If you haven't yet, send it on to BKoehler at the domain name of tribune dot com.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 12:00 AM
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32. excellent K & R
Edited on Thu Apr-20-06 12:02 AM by lonestarnot
Autocrank you do rock! :kick: :toast: :yourock:
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 12:36 AM
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33. I do think Autorank just misspelled Autocrank when he signed up!!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 07:57 PM
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91. EEEWWW POOP! I was toooo tired yesterday to spell my own name!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 03:45 AM
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40. ;) See my reflexive response to your hidden message...
"You cannot add this user to your buddy list because this user is already in your list." :evilgrin:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 07:59 PM
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92. Oh boy!
A buddy! :evilgrin: What do I do with him? Her?
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:42 PM
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93. I have no idea;)
It would be nice if you could use it as a distribution list but that doesn't work.

I used mine when there was a post that I wanted everyone and their cousin to see.
It was quite useful. Or, if someone gets nasty for no good reason and you recall
that they're on your buddy list, you can check it out and say "Hey, why are you
talking to me like that, you're on my buddy list?" That always stops the b.s. and
you can slip away to another thread. So if you put me on your buddy list and I mouth
off, you can shame me and I'll be so tongue tied, I'll quiet right down. It's an
arcane application since the "stars" are generally not right for that fun option.

Now, the ignore list, that is useful. Imagine, if you could make the very most annoying
people in your world simply disappear, no sight or sound. Priceless ;)
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 08:09 AM
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99. alrightie then!
:* Buddies! :hug:
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 12:38 AM
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34. thanks. kick
Edited on Thu Apr-20-06 12:47 AM by rumpel
:)

on edit: I love this part:

Martinez provides contradictory responses to these first two questions. First, he says Congress did not take away any rights or intend to trump Lehtos state rights. Then, he seems to think about it and seems to get Lehtos point: Observing electronic voting doesnt give the citizens information about whats going on in electronic vote counting.

Finally, in a stunning remark, Martinez (a lawyer) says that the restoration of rights is the citizens responsibility. Basically, the response is, Get a bill passed in your state: you better define your state law if you want to see whats going on with the machines This constitutes a tectonic shift in the role of the federal government, from the preserver of individual and citizen rights to an indifferent pusher of technology which eviscerates those voting rights.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 10:53 AM
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56. Amazed me to read the eschange between "the Citizen" & the Commissioner
hmmm... "indifferent pusher of technology" is a bit provocative.

A line was deleted that said something like: "With HAVAthe first one's free..."

In a very real sense, the addiction metaphor is correct. You get your first machines "free" but there are signifiant ongoing costs in terms of maintenance and unexpected requirements. For example, Marion County, IN (or maybe another IN county) bought ESS machines 4 years ago. The machines needed some fixes and ESS was unavailable so the officials spent four years getting it right themselves. They were so proud that the machines finally worked.

Here is my favorte para:

The final sentence of the second exchange is worth reading carefully. It reveals just how little thought EAC has in fact given to this issue. In one sentence, the Commissioner says HAVA does not trump your rights, but acknowledges that may be the effect ; but if that is the effect, well, sorry thats not what the intent was. This argument is little more than a complex version of Ignorance of the law is our excuse, or a reflexive denial of intentional wrongdoing.

Being cross examined by Land Shark is extremely low on my priority list ;)
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 11:35 AM
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64. Yes, I loved that part, too. and
that initially Mr. Martinez was obviously mumbling, while composing what to answer in his head. The many (inaudible)


MR. LEHTO: HAVA set that whole thing into motion. But I think that the question is who does the burden fall on of moving the legislature? I would say that citizens rights cannot be changed except by an act of the legislature or by an amendment to the Constitution. In other words, a contract cant change citizens rights, and yet So, you dont have an explanation for how that can possibly be the case?

Mr Martinez merely repeating his argument, adding an excuse of being pretty much only informed about Texas law.

and the Scoop comments:

Comment: At this point Citizen Lehto is in full pursuit and Commissioner Martinez hunkers down to defend the EAC and the role of HAVA. Lehto makes the simple and obvious point: A contract (i.e., the machine vendors contract with state or local election officials) cannot abridge citizen rights; it is a deal between the parties who sign it, and nothing more. This is an established rule of law; citizens never signed off on waiving their rights, and such a contract would likely be void even if citizens had signed something. For example, your employment contract cannot cause you to give up the right to vote or receive government unemployment services and benefits.

I really would have loved to been there.

:)
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:50 PM
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95. He may be upset for revealing his secret, but Lehto is a real gentleman.
There are no histrionics or "Boston Legal" stuff. It's the power of the questions, which were right on point. The "Power of Nightmares" meets "The Power of Eternal Ideals"...the good guys won this day!
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 01:08 AM
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35. Outstanding! K&R.
Very well done Michael and Paul.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 01:13 AM
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36. GREAT JOB LANDSHARK!!..K&R
SENT TO ALL THE DEMS IN OFFICE HERE IN FLA!! AND DEC CHAIR & co-chair..AND STATE COMMITTEE PEOPLE!!

great job dear!!

fly

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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 01:16 AM
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37. and...thank you AUTORANK!!!...cheers to you as well!!! n/t
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 01:26 AM
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38. Autorank inspired me to do this letter to my email chain
Edited on Thu Apr-20-06 01:28 AM by linazelle
I hope he won't mind some of the plagiarism:

Let me know what you think:




The Help America Vote Act of 2002 (HAVA) was passed on the heels of the Florida 2000 presidential election and its hanging chad problem. Few thought the solution to the hanging chad, which was--at least--evidence of a voters intent, would be to completely eliminate the evidence. But that is exactly what has happened.

HAVA mandates that states buy computer-controlled direct recording electronic (DRE) voting machines. The only people who have access to these votes in these machines are the computer companies themselves.

Our country's history and the Constitution and Bill of Rights are based on a government "of, by and for THE PEOPLE." That is why we have elections officials in every state and jurisdiction in this country--to protect the security of our votes. There is no such obligation for the owner of a computer company to protect our votes.

With the new machines, officials don't even know what software is being used, they are not trained to troubleshoot if the machines fail. Machine owners claim total ownership over the machines and forbid election officials to tamper with them. Thus, there is no way of knowing whether your votes are being counted or not.

Consider this:

An electronic voting machine added 3,893 votes to President Bush's tally in a suburban Columbus precinct, even though there are just 800 voters there.

Chuck Hagel first ran for the Senate in Nebraska in 1996. Electronic voting machines owned by the biggest voting machine company in the US--Election Systems & Software (ES&S) reported that he had won both the primaries and the general election--one of the biggest upsets ever. He was the first Republican to win a Nebraska senatorial campaign in 24 years and won in many largely black communities that had never before voted Republican. Six years later Hagel ran again against Democrat Charlie Matulka and won 83% of the vote: the biggest political victory in the history of Nebraska. Again, the votes were counted by ES&S, now the largest voting machine company in America. While these victories could be dismissed simply as an upset, a January 2003 article in the independent Washington paper The Hill revealed Chuck Hagel was CEO of ES&S (then AIS) until 1995 and he is still a major stockholder of the parent company of ES&S, McCarthy & Company.

In Illinois, Populex is providing the computers for voting. Ronald Reagan's former Defense Secretary, Frank Carlucci, is on the 5-member Advisory Board of Populex. Carlucci is also the chairman emeritus of The Carlyle Group, often called the "Ex-President's Club" because of the high profile partners and advisors on its payrollincluding the presidents fatherGeorge Herbert Walker Bush. Can you say hello to Illinois' next Republican governor and even mayor?

It's easier to rig an electronic voting machine than a Las Vegas slot machine, says University of Pennsylvania visiting professor Steve Freeman. That's because Vegas slots are better monitored and regulated than America's voting machines according to and article in the Washington Post.

A report by the Information Security Institute at Johns Hopkins University says "Common voters, without any insider privileges, can cast unlimited votes without being detected" based on an analysis of the software for voting machines made by Diebold.

Congressman John Conyers' website lists at least 125 incidents of this type of fraud from Ohio alone during the 2004 election--and remember Ohio was the state which decided the entire election. (You may have seen Conyers being smeared recently on television --ignore it, read his site and know that he is fighting for our voting rights and those in charge of the machines are threatened by that.)

HAVA is to voting what No Child Left Behind is to education. Instead of helping voting, it takes away our right to ensure our votes are counted just like No Child Left Behind leaves public schools behind by eliminating federal funding for them. (Do you see a pattern here between what the words say and what actually happens?)

HAVA mandates that states buy computer-controlled direct recording electronic (DRE) voting machines. The only people who have access to these votes in these machines are the computer companies themselves.

Our country's history, the Constitution and Bill of Rights are based on a government "of, by and for THE PEOPLE." That is why we have elections officials in every state and jurisdiction in this country--to protect the security of our votes. There is no such obligation for the owner of a computer company to protect our votes.

With the new machines, officials don't even know what software is being used, they are not trained to troubleshoot if the machines fail. Machine owners claim total ownership over the machines and forbid election officials to tamper with them. Thus, there is no way of knowing whether your votes are being counted or not.

Some of these companies have hired known criminals. Others have alarming conflicts of interest as they contribute heavily to one particular political party and not to the other--the owner of one company, Diebold, pledged that Bush would win the election at a million dollar fundraiser.

Before HAVA, elections officials in all states had sole custody of our votes. Where these machines have been installed, there have been rampant reports of fraud by computer manufacturers. During and after elections, computer companies have sent their people in and removed the computer drives and replaced them claiming that there were computer problems when there was no evidence of any problems.

Now, the Bush Adminisration is dangling $3.8 billion of federal money under HAVA to "assist" with purchases of these machines. States who don't buy the machines are threatened by the Department of Justice for noncompliance. States are being told they must buy the machines because they make voting accessible to the handicapped--which is not true in all instances, depending upon the handicap. Furthermore, previous voting methods were available to the handicapped.

By the first federal election in 2006, this coming November, all states must buy these machines or risk being sued by the government. (Most states with repulican governors already have the machines). New York was the first major state to resist buying the machines and the Dept. of Justice filed suit to the state to buy the machines in March 2006. Local and state activists have filed complaints or are lobbying Congress, and some are suing including Washington, California, New Mexico, New Jersey, Tennessee, and Ohio.

On April 8, nearly 100 election integrity activists gathered in Washington DC. They heard attorney and Commissioner Ray Martinez of the Election Assistance Commission which oversees HAVA. At the beginning of the question-and-answer period business law and consumer fraud attorney Paul Lehto of Everett, Washington asked a simple but powerful question:

By what right or authority did my right to watch the counting of the vote get taken away?

This question could not be answered and it lies at the tip of an iceberg that is in clear view--the 2006 elections. The impact of the loss of our votes will grow enormously as HAVA is mandated in all states by this fall.

These dynamics will impact elections all over the United States this year and for generations to come.

For the past six years we have all been part of an experiment when it comes to voting. Those who would steal our votes have tried it first in senatorial elections, then in a presidential election--two of them as a matter of fact. Now, now they want to spread it nationwide because no one has stood up and called them on it. All the while, people have sat by quietly--many don't even know. Now you know.

Ask yourself this question. Do you feel that this country is being run by people who represent your interests--the interests that you had when you last went into a voting booth? Do the polls which show that only 35% of the public approve of the president match the votes that he got? Something is VERY VERY wrong in America.

Make no mistake about it, this is not about politics alone. It is about people who will keep stealing your vote so that they can steal your tax dollars to fund wars that they are making money from. This is about men who want to stay in charge as they accept money hand over fist from corporate lobbyists who pay them to look the other way as they pollute our air, water and food. This is about life and death for you, me and future generations. These people are supposed to represent you and me and they do not. And we will lose more and more of our rights and jobs, and way of life if people don't pay attention.

And it will only get worse unless you do something about it.

What can you do?

Tell your friends and family.
Send this email to any and everybody that you can.
Vote anyway--make them cheat until they are caught red handed.
Write to your senator or congressman and express your concern. Here's a link to find their address(es): http://www3.capwiz.com/usatoday/home /
Write to the media, here's a link to the national list of all media outlets: http://upload.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard...
Go to your favorite search engine and type in election fraud,pop some corn and have a good read.
Sen. Barbara Boxer: http://ga4.org/campaign/counteveryvote?qp_source=counts...
Info on John Conyers effort to get a hearing on vote fraud: http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/120404W.shtml
Voting Security info site: http://www.ecotalk.org/VotingSecurity.htm
Above all, don't believe the hype.

Know that as you begin to hear more and more about Congressman Conyers and the handicapped for whom these machines are allegedly for, that you are being duped.

Stay tuned...



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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 07:55 AM
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44. thanks for circulating the ideas, some good expression in there
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 10:29 AM
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50. Great letter!!! It's all about getting the word out. Thaks for shring.n/
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 10:42 AM
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52. another idea: easy to make this letter an "executive summary"
and add the scoop link in case people want more data or detail, etc. Also pretty much avoids plagiarism issues you've spotted.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-22-06 03:02 PM
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110. Go get 'em. That is a great letter. Others should take a good look.
Share the wealth. Thanks!!!
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 02:25 AM
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39. Idea: Would it help if cd get a Disabled Persons Org
to loudly object to the objectionalbe features?
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 06:52 AM
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41. Thank you! K&R
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 07:24 AM
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42. K&R
Excellent work! Now Lets get our Vote Back!
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 07:26 AM
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43. Thank you
For this and ALL you insightful work...
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 08:52 AM
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45. K&R n/t
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 08:57 AM
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46. Absolutely worth the read--Great Article
thanks for this......
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 01:07 PM
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72. Thank you dogday...that's the highest compliment. n/t
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:09 AM
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47. Excellent interview
Hope it gets lots of attention.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:33 AM
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48. Wowsers! K & R nt
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 10:16 AM
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49. Thanks glitch, been a while since i heard that expression! n/t
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 11:34 AM
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63. Every once in awhile I like to bring back the oldies. :) nt
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 10:43 AM
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53. We have a celebrity!!!!
Thanks Auto for your great work!!!!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 01:04 PM
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68. Thanks lala. I'm just Boswell to Land Shark's Dr. Johnson;)
Love Raw Story...keep breaking them and ALWAYS remind CM, like you're doing now, that they
SHOULD REFERENCE SOURCES, ESPECIALLY RAW STORY.

:hi:
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:57 PM
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97. thanks sweetie
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 10:52 AM
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55. Kicked and recommended and bookmarked..
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liam_laddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 10:59 AM
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58. K'd and R'd with major gusto! n/t
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 11:14 AM
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61. kicked/recommended
hopefully this is the final crack in the ice that makes everything else cave in!
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BillORightsMan Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 11:17 AM
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62. HAVA vs HCPB
K&R - great info!

I've been pushing Hand-Count-Paper-Ballots for quite some time.

See my post Paper, Pen & People!

However, I'm re-assessing a part of this, specifically the Secret Ballot.

Lynn Landes wrote this article and it makes some sense:
Scrap the "Secret" Ballot - Return to Open Voting

A few researchers and activists have proposed other ways that citizens might be able to check that their vote is counted correctly. They suggest that each ballot have a number or bar code, so that any voter could look up their own ballot at the election office or online. However, there's a flaw in that argument. Although the voter may be able to verify his or her personal ballot, they would not be able to see how everyone else voted, and therefore, would not be able to authenticate overall election results.

Secrecy rarely does anyone any good. And secrecy in voting is particularly senseless. It has produced a series of disastrous, if not unintended consequences. Due to its anonymity and non-transparency, the secret ballot has made vote fraud easier not harder, particularly for those in a position of power, such as election officials and voting machine technicians. The secret ballot also promotes a highly dubious double standard; on the one hand, we demand that our elected officials vote publicly, while we the electorate skulk around concerned that someone might find out who we voted for. What are we afraid of? That our boss will fire us, or our customers desert us, or family and friends shun us? Most Americans are registered Democrat or Republican, anyway. So, our preference is already known. As far as voter intimidation and vote selling are concerned, legislators are open to the same risks and temptations, so why make a distinction? Why hold elected officials to a higher standard than we impose on ourselves?

Since the courts and state legislatures will probably not support open voting any time soon (if ever), its up to the voters to lead the way. The best thing to do is to hold your own Parallel Elections outside the polls. See - http://www.ecotalk.org/ParallelElections.htm

Much more at link...

Lynn Landes was the attorney that sued against the use of
voting machines and absentee ballots in PA...
Supreme Court Denies Standing & Allows Costs Against Voting Rights Activist

Washington DC -- April 4, 2006: In an alarming wake-up call to voting rights activists accross the country, the U.S. Supreme Court let stand last week a decision by the U.S. Third Circuit Court of Appeals. The lower court ruled (Landes v Tartaglione, et al) that Philadelphia journalist and voting rights activist, Lynn Landes, had no standing to challenge the constitutionality of election laws which Landes claimed deny direct access to a tangible ballot and meaningful transparency to the election process.

Specifically, Landes challenged the use of voting machines and absentee voting in elections for public office. The defendants in the lawsuit were Margaret Tartaglione, Chair of the City Commissioners of Philadelphia; Pedro A. Cortes, Secretary of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania; and Alberto Gonzales, Attorney General of the United States.



Nevertheless, this is GREAT INFO and I will spread the word on the various boards I visit daily.

THANK YOU AUTORANK!

:patriot:


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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 01:05 PM
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69. Great stuff. Thank you for posting. Landes rocks and I love her
pro se case before the Supreme Court. It takeks citizens to do this. Amazing stuff.

Some of these are bookmarked but others are not so thanks again.

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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 11:35 AM
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65. Thanks. Let me make it 75 -- recommended.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 01:05 PM
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70. Well thank you Benhurst!!! n/t
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 12:46 PM
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66. Kicked with pride! You rock Autorank!
I've printed this one so I can go after it with highlighters and put notes in the margins.

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 01:06 PM
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71. Oh, send notes. We can always make this better. Thanks n/t
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 12:47 PM
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67. Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Autorank & Land Shark. Fantastic work !!!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 01:14 PM
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76. We're clipping this one Stella...but we're just getting started.
There's more to come and there will be a bit more passion in the writing ;)

:hi:
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 01:33 PM
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78. K & R. nt.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 01:45 PM
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79. Responding to your quote there Mr. Jefferson,
"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the turbulent sea of liberty." -- Thomas Jefferson

And liberty must be more important than security (even by rightwing standards) otherwise you could never motivate troops to fight "for freedom" or liberty except at the point of the bayonet.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 02:20 PM
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83. Kicking for the return of democracy!
Autorank & Landshark, two American patriots!! :patriot: :applause: :patriot:
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 04:50 PM
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87. BRAVO!!! This is excellent!! Paul! Autorank! All! You KICK BUTT!!!
Edited on Thu Apr-20-06 04:51 PM by NVMojo
And you are right! When did we lose the right to see the vote counted!!??!!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 06:16 PM
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88. Thanks. This one needs to go to everybody's Senator and Rep.
They need a wake up call. Dean was in NOLA appropriately complaining about the disenfranchisement of New Orleans evacuees. Our leaders need to remember that Voting Rights and the Act by the same name were universally acclaimed at the time they were passed. People still support that.

We're seemingly on the margins in DU on this issue but our awareness is EXACTLY aligned with the general views of mainstream America, in fact with 99.99% of Americans. Who other than an election thief would seriously oppose full election transparency after being informed on the issue.

Nice to see you as always. Keep up your good work!!!
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 06:34 PM
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89. K & R. Bookmarked. And praising this thread AT TOP VOLUME!
Keep spreading the word!

:kick:
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:55 PM
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96. One would think that this is an issue for the Attorney General
But being that Mr. Gonzalez is working for the President and not the people of the US. quoting Rumsfeld; "this too shall pass" -- it's a slap in the face to every american to have a government continue its leadership practices without scrutinized checks and balances.

The Constitution was torn up and discarded eversince the Bush administration made up its own rules on how this country will be run, this is criminal in itself!

Who the hell is watching the store!!
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 12:13 AM
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98. jesse james is watching the store, per this ER link
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 08:29 AM
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100. Excellent job
Edited on Fri Apr-21-06 08:30 AM by RagingInMiami

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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 09:54 AM
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101. edited to add the raiders pic I take it. ; )
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 10:01 AM
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102. No, edited because I had mentioned "another recommendation"
and then I went back to recommend the thread, I realized it was too late and already heavily recommended. For some reason, I thought it was a new thread.

As a fellow Raider fan, that was the first thing I did when I saw Autorank's name.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 06:44 PM
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103. edited to edit, in other words. Makes more sense than I ever thought! : )
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-22-06 03:00 PM
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108. Hey, THANKS. Quite a compliment comingi from a pro!
And that is the best logo ever!

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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 10:09 PM
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105. thank you autorank!
My only regret is I wasn't here in time to give your great work an "R".
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-22-06 12:18 PM
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107. perhaps next time, you'll get such a chance ; )
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-22-06 04:52 PM
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111. Well, that'll learn me to step away from DU for more than a day.
(I had "glitch" problems, too. One of my drives was being repaired.)

The guilt, the terrible, crushing guilt! :-)
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-22-06 03:01 PM
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109. Thankyou Kurovoski. We'll take an R, X whatever at this point.
Send it around! Make friends and influence people.

:hi:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 11:02 PM
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106. Kick.(nt)
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