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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 06:29 PM
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A story about Ed Schultz
A source who spoke on condition on anonymity asked me to post this;


Saw your post about Schultz. I have a story to tell you. Maybe you've heard it already but its interesting because I was involved.

Mike, Randi, Thom Hartman, The Turks, Nancy Skinner, myself and a couple of others attended a two day meeting a little over three years ago. It was held at the Rayburn building on Capitol Hill. It was sponsored by Democracy Radio Inc. which was headed up by Tom Athans, who is the husband of Senator Debbie Stabenow of Michigan.

Athans, thru his wife got this nice cushy job with a nice fat salary and he was to promote "Liberal Radio". The reason for this meeting was for him to get to know whatever "Liberal" talent there was available.

Randi and I were sitting in one of the House of Representative hearing rooms and this guy walks in and sits over in the corner by himself. It was Ed Schultz. Randi says to me: "The asshole over in the corner is that prick Ed Schultz from North Dakota." She had already had a problem with him of some kind and it was obvious she didn't like him even a little bit. Anyway, Tom Athans promised to help a couple of us out with money to buy airtime and promote some shows into syndication. He promised me to my face that Democracy Radio would do "whatever it takes" to get my show into syndication. From what I've heard he promised a couple of others at that meeting the same thing.

Well, that was the last time Athans had anything to do with any of us except Schultz. Tom Daschle was in trouble for his re-election bid and he went to Schultz (since Schultz was on the big station up there in Daschle's area) and made a deal with him. Sort of a "you scratch my back I'll scratch yours type deal." Schultz was a dyed in the wool conservative Republican at the time but he was on Fargo's biggest station. I'm told Daschle promised him that he (Daschle) would see to it that Schultz would have access to the money people in the Party thru him. Daschle hooked Schultz up with several Democratic Senators, including Hillary, Mary Landrieu, and some others who met down in New Orleans. The rest is history. Daschle lost but Schultz came out the big winner with a nice fat contract and the promise of all of the Democrat big-wigs appearing on his program anytime he wanted. Athans then got him syndicated with Jones network (along with Stephanie Miller who is also very well connected in D.C.) Now, Athans is a vice-president at AAR.

The idea that Schultz is any kind of Liberal whatsoever is laughable. Right after he started his program I listened to him one day and wrote him an e-mail stating that his attitude on the show was hardly Liberal. He wrote back: "Who gives a shit what Liberals want. This is MY radio show." He is a complete phoney. The part that really burns my ass is that Democrats on DU and elsewhere think this guy is one of us when all Schultz is doing is laughing at his audience behind their backs.
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rwenos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 06:33 PM
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1. Bleep Anonymous Sources
If the source is so willing to defame Ed Schulz (whom I have no reason to support or criticize, particularly), why does the source remain anonymous?

This anonymous source sounds like a RW provocateur to me.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 06:33 PM
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2. Figures.
I listened to him a little on AAR, but didn't like him. I found listening to him too much like listening to Limbaugh. Looks like my impression wasn't all wrong.
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democracyindanger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 06:34 PM
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3. yawn
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 06:35 PM
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4. You know what. Liberals can be a pain in the ass sometimes. Right now
Edited on Sun Apr-16-06 06:36 PM by xultar
I'm all about democrats winning. I don't care what you call them. Dino. Progressive. Liberal. DLC. ABC. CIA. FBI. XYZ.

DEMOCRATS WINNING and anyone who helps them win is o.k. in my book.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 06:41 PM
Response to Reply #4
11. not trying to cause a fight, but would that include
democrats such as zell miller?

I understand your point, but can inclusion go too far?

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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 07:00 PM
Response to Reply #11
32. Hey Zell is suffering from a major mental disease.. HOWEVER...
Though he is as fucked up as they come he's still a Democrat and deserves to be heard.


I CAN'T STAND HIS MUTHERFUCKIN GUTS. I'll hear him out before telling him so and then tell him if he doesn't like it to hit the fuckin pavement and get to fuckin steppin and don't look the fuck back.

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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 09:26 PM
Response to Reply #32
80. I must admit you definitely made me laught tonight with your reply
Peace

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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 09:33 PM
Response to Reply #32
83. Zell Spoke To The Repukes About The Death Of Dems
I say he is dead to me
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 10:29 PM
Response to Reply #83
99. Me too. He deserves a hearing and then I'll kick his ass. That's all
I'm sayin.
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sheelz Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 12:32 AM
Response to Reply #99
112. You could challenge him to a duel....
then kick his ass. :evilgrin:
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:14 AM
Response to Reply #112
137. I like that.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 07:17 AM
Response to Reply #32
308. Great. So maybe Newt will switch parties and we'll have to listen to him,
too.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 06:53 PM
Response to Reply #4
25. i agree with this
i listen to too much radio that is rightwing, and it's omg dreary! it seems most daytime callers are biz types who have time and offices to wait to get on the line- the well fed niinies all say the same damn thing, to the agreement of the ratwinger host....i wish ed shultz was on the radio here, warts and all!
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Pushed To The Left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 02:08 AM
Response to Reply #4
127. Amen!!!
Democrats need to knock the Republicans out of power and stop attacking each other!
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 03:49 PM
Response to Reply #4
221. Hey - you are right on! Winning is job number one.
If people want to apply a "purity" test to radio talk show hosts, what's next? A test to be pure enough to post on DU? I'm not into this divisiveness - we need to take a "big tent" view of this country and winning back Congress - God knows people are very different from state to state - as much as we don't like some people's style, when it comes down to it Dems are supposed to be inclusive damn it :headbang:
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 06:36 PM
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5. Boring. I don't believe this story. See my sig line
Ed Schultz is on our side, the side of good.
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sheelz Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 10:27 PM
Response to Reply #5
98. That's Interesting...
And I don't believe your sig line either. It has links to The Heritage foundation, Taxer and Diebold too. :eyes: Who's side are you really on? Should I laugh or cry?
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 10:45 AM
Response to Reply #98
147. The sig line above
The sig line you're objecting to clearly labels PNAC, Diebold, etc. as terrorists.
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sheelz Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 05:52 PM
Response to Reply #147
244. I saw that...
Why give them any attention? :crazy:
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 08:09 PM
Response to Reply #244
280. LOL, no you didn't
You just can't admit you made a mistake. :crazy:
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sheelz Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 09:26 PM
Response to Reply #280
295. I have no problem admitting a mistake...
Here's a mistake I made...thinking Kerry would have fought to have all our votes counted. I wish I could say LOL to that. :banghead: I made that mistake once and will never make that mistake again.

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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 10:47 PM
Response to Reply #295
305. WTF?
Who brought up Kerry? WTF does Kerry have to do with anything? Because he's in my sig line, so therefore you felt the need to post some crack-addled slam?

Whatever. Have fun with your bong, buddy... :crazy:
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 09:05 PM
Response to Reply #98
292. My sigline CLEARLY points out that.....
"The Heritage foundation, Taser and Diebold" are terrorists, the enemies of freedom.

:eyes:

I'll ask you the same question: "Who's side are you really on?" :eyes:
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sheelz Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 09:40 PM
Response to Reply #292
297. I was responding to...
"Boring. I don't believe this story. See my sig line"

And I don't believe what I'm seeing, in your sign line. Meaning--Why the hell are you linking to that crap? You think DUers don't know what they are all about. Don't give them any attention. The real terrorist are in the WH. The Heritage foundation, Taser and Diebold are the tentacles.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 10:48 PM
Response to Reply #292
306. Reading comprehension:
Unfortunately, not something you should take for granted on DU. :crazy:
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 06:37 PM
Response to Original message
6. I have no use for anonymous sources in situations like this.
I'm neutral on Schultz -- I've heard him say some things I agreed with and some I didn't -- but I'm not buying this unless the source is willing to say this for him/herself.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 06:39 PM
Response to Reply #6
10. A version of this story has already been told by Randi Rhodes...
and I am responding to a request of a person I know for fact was actually there.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 06:42 PM
Response to Reply #10
13. Randi and Ed have issues, so that in itself doesn't make it credible
Al Frankin for example embraces Ed

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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 07:42 PM
Response to Reply #13
55. Al also embraces Joe Biden
I like Al but he's too nice and naive a lot of the time.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 06:44 PM
Response to Reply #10
15. Randi Rhodes and Ed Schultz have some sort of blood feud going on
and I wish they'd both give it a rest. I don't think it's ideological as much as it's two huge egos bumping up against each other like a couple of untethered Zeppelins. Although Schultz isn't always as "liberal" as many of us would like, he did actively campaign for Kerry, unless all that was fakery, too. Again -- not saying it's true or false; I just don't like anonymous trashing of anybody.
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 01:25 AM
Response to Reply #15
117. Didn't they sleep together?
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:14 AM
Response to Reply #117
136. In his DREAMS maybe. nt
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 12:08 PM
Response to Reply #117
172. he might have tried but she wouldn't shut up long enuff to do anything n/t
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 03:50 PM
Response to Reply #172
222. OMG!!
:rofl:

!!!!

That's hilarious!!
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 03:23 PM
Response to Reply #117
208. What??? Arrrrggghhhh!
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 04:19 PM
Response to Reply #15
231. Campaigning for Kerry doesn't mean he's liberal anymore than JK is liberal
which he isn't as far as I can tell.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 05:19 PM
Response to Reply #231
240. Jk as in "John Kerry" isn't liberal????????????????????
Holy mother of flying spaghetti monster.....

I don't know whether to :eyes: or :rofl:
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:08 PM
Response to Reply #240
250. NO, he's NOT. Get yourself educated
S J Res 45. Amendment to Iraq war authorization to require president to go through the U.N.: authority for war could be authorized only in the event of Iraq's noncompliance with new U.N. resolution; a separate grant of authority would be required if the president wanted to act unilaterally. Oct 10, 2002. NO

S J Res 45. Vote to Reaffirm Congress's Constitutional Power to Declare War: use of force not connected to an imminent threat (preemption) would require additional grant of authority from Congress. (Resolution Authorizing the Use of Force in Iraq) Oct 10, 2002. NO

S 257. Vote to deploy a National Missile Defense system capable of defending against limited ballistic missile attack as soon as it is technologically possible. Mar 17, 1999 YES

S 517. Vote to establish a new automobile fuel efficiency standard that would encourage increased use of alternative-fueled and hybrid vehicles. Mar 13, 2002. NO

HR 4775. Vote to Exempt the U.S. from Following Directives of the International Criminal Court and Will of International Community. Jun 06, 2002. YES

HR 3009. Enable the President to Place International Trade Agreements Above Worker and Environmental Protections with No Changes Permitted by Congress. Aug 01, 2002. YES

S. Con. Res. 23. Vote to Eliminate Bush Tax Cuts to Reduce Deficit Spending and Protect Domestic Spending Priorities. Mar 21, 2003. NO

HR 622. Economic Stimulus/Amendment to Provide Tax Breaks to Corporations. Jan 29, 2002. YES

HR 3734. Welfare Reform/Vote limiting previous rights of children, immigrants, the poor, and the elderly; limiting free speech rights of not-for-profit organizations; establishing national identification database. YES

S 254. Juvenile Justice/Vote for Tough on Crime__ Measures: children as young as 14 to be tried in adult federal court; opens some juvenile records to schools and employers. 1999 YES

S. 1956. Government Funding of Religious Institutions/Vote to require state governments to contract with religious institutions to provide taxpayer-funded social services, proselytizing permitted. YES

HR 3103. Health Care Reform/Vote to give government and businesses access to confidential medical information about individuals without their consent; establish a national patient identification system. YES

HR 2202. Immigration Reform/Vote to limit rights of new immigrants; shield INS abuses from judicial sanction; erect substantial barriers to those seeking asylum. YES

S. 1664. National Identity Card/Vote to establish a national identification system employing computer databases to keep track of all Americans. YES

S 1510, HR 3694 and others. Facilitation of Wiretapping/Votes to increase FBI wiretap authority; permit law enforcement agencies to use "roving" (indiscriminate) wiretaps; increase authorization for "emergency" wiretaps without the prerequisite of a court order. 1995-9 YES

Public interest group ratings:

ACLU 60%

Public Citizen (consumer advocacy) 27%

League of Conservation Voters (environment) 53%

Peace Action 20%

Citizens for Global Solutions (promotes democratic global institutions for solving the world's problems) 63%

American Immigration Lawyers Association (advocate for justice and human rights) 0%

Workplace Fairness (employee rights) 20%

Friends Committee on National Legislation (the lobby group of the Quakers) 50%

Population Action International (family planning; educational and economic opportunities for women; slowing global population growth) 0%

The American-Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) 100% (for 20 consecutive years -- an unblemished record of opposition to peace and justice in the Middle East)

Jews for Peace in Palestine and Israel -1
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 08:10 PM
Response to Reply #250
282. Oh Bullshit.
Out of thousands of votes you can cherry pick all you like. By your definiton of "liberal" there's what, three Senators that count as liberal?

I have other stuff to do tonight so I'll just pick off a couple items of your misleading naderite b.s.:

League of Conservation Voters? Give me a fucking break. Eductae yourself on how LCV calculates scores. Kerry missed a lot of votes in 2003 and 2004 because he was running for president - he got zeroes for those scores and they brought his average down, which previously was consistently in the 90's. In fact in 96 or 97 (I forget which) LCV honored him as an Environmental Champion.

Did you know that in 2004 LCV endorsed John Kerry and Joe Lieberman as the best environmental choices of the 9 primary candidates?

No of course you didn't.

Too bad for environmentalists that John Kerry is one of the best environmentalists in the senate, huh?

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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 08:14 PM
Response to Reply #250
284. Educate YOURSELF - Kerry on choice / family planning - with link!
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can...

Summed up: pro family planning organizations: 100%; pro-birth orgs: 05.



2005 Senator Kerry supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 100 percent in 2005.

2004 Senator Kerry supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 100 percent in 2004.

2003-2004 Senator Kerry supported the interests of the National Right to Life Committee 0 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator Kerry supported the interests of the Democrats for Life of America 0 percent in 2003-2004.

2003 Senator Kerry supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 100 percent in 2003.

2001-2002 Senator Kerry supported the interests of the National Right to Life Committee 0 percent in 2001-2002.

2001 Senator Kerry supported the interests of the Planned Parenthood 100 percent in 2001.

2001 Senator Kerry supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 100 percent in 2001.

2000 Senator Kerry supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 100 percent in 2000.

1999-2000 Senator Kerry supported the interests of the National Right to Life Committee 0 percent in 1999-2000.

1999 Senator Kerry supported the interests of the Planned Parenthood 100 percent in 1999.

1996-2003 Senator Kerry supported the interests of the Planned Parenthood (Senate) 100 percent in 1996-2003.

1995-2004 On the votes that the National Family Planning & Reproductive Health Assocation considered to be the most important in 1995-2004, Senator Kerry voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 08:21 PM
Response to Reply #250
286. Educate YOURSELF - Kerry on civil liberties - with LINK!
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can...

Civil Liberties
(Back to top)

2003-2004 Senator Kerry supported the interests of the American Civil Liberties Union 100 percent in 2003-2004.

2001-2002 On the votes that the American Civil Liberties Union considered to be the most important in 2001-2002 , Senator Kerry voted their preferred position 60 percent of the time.

2000 On the votes that the American Civil Liberties Union considered to be the most important in 2000 , Senator Kerry voted their preferred position 71 percent of the time.


Senators scoring better than 60 percent in 2001-2002:

WI U.S. Senate Jr Russell D. Feingold Democrat 80 (one vote - Patriot Act)
LA U.S. Senate Sr Mary L. Landrieu Democrat 75 (there's a "liberal" for you)
NJ U.S. Senate Jr Robert Menendez Democrat 67 (except he wasn't a senator then)

2001-2002 rankings: http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_detail.php?sig_i...

(But you know, we wouldn't want to include any context in our cherry-picked stats, would we?)
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 08:29 PM
Response to Reply #250
287. Educate YOURSELF - Kerry's Clean Elections Act of 1997 far better than M/F
Edited on Mon Apr-17-06 08:40 PM by MH1
Kerry wrote this bill with Paul Wellstone (yeah I know, that non-"liberal" guy from Minnesota).

Look it up. It was FAR better - and more to liberal ideals - than McCain Feingold. So if after the last post, the only guy left liberal enough for you was Feingold, than you're just screwed - like the rest of us when Feingold got rolled by McCain on allowing increased hard money limits. Gee maybe they should have gone with the Kerry-Wellstone bill?


S.918
Title: A bill to reform the financing of Federal Elections.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 6/17/1997) Cosponsors (4)
Latest Major Action: 6/17/1997 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Rules and Administration.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SUMMARY AS OF:
6/17/1997--Introduced.

TABLE OF CONTENTS:
S.918
Clean Money, Clean Elections Act (Introduced in Senate)
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 08:38 PM
Response to Reply #250
288. Educate YOURSELF: National Journal Rankings: Kerry most liberal '08 cand.
Kerry Most Liberal 2008 Candidate

http://blog.thedemocraticdaily.com/?p=2053

Then there's that pesky 2005 rating from the ADA (Americans for Democratic Action) - oh, wait, John Kerry got 100%!

http://www.adaction.org/2005SenateVRweb.htm
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 08:55 PM
Response to Reply #250
289. Educate YOURSELF: Kerry + 9 Senators called for investigation of DSM.
Guess who wasn't there? Damn, guess Feingold isn't a "liberal" either.

http://blog.thedemocraticdaily.com/?page_id=1022

To save the click, here's who signed:

(snip)

These issues need to be addressed with urgency. This remains a dangerous world, with American forces engaged in Iraq and Afghanistan, and other challenges looming in Iran and North Korea. In this environment, the American public should have the highest confidence that policy makers are using intelligence objectively-never manipulating it to justify war, but always to protect the United States. The contents of the Downing Street Memo undermine this faith and only rigorous Congressional oversight can determine the truth.

We urge the committee to complete the second phase of its investigation with the maximum speed and transparency possible, producing, as it did at the end of Phase I, a comprehensive, unclassified report from which the American people can benefit directly.

Sincerely,

John Kerry

Co-signers: Sens. Tim Johnson, Jon Corzine, Jack Reed, Frank Lautenberg, Barbara Boxer, Edward Kennedy, Thomas Harkin, Jeff Bingaman, Richard Durbin


Damn, that list of "liberals" keeps getting shorter. Wait - Bingaman? What's he doing there amongst the "liberals"? :eyes:

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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 09:00 PM
Response to Reply #289
290. Way to lay the smack down
If Kerry's not a liberal I guess that makes me a falangist or something...

:sarcasm:
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 03:25 PM
Response to Reply #10
209. i've heard randi telling this story a couple of times
(he drives me crazy to listen to--but i do it in the car because the chgo. station bumps randi back three hours to put his paid programing on--or however that works)
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don954 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 06:38 PM
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7. as i posted on the blog this was posted to:
actually some people do change. In the space of a few years, i moved from the "impeach Clinton and trial him for treason" camp to being a liberalish strong supporter of the democratic party. Ed makes no qualms that he used to be a right-winger, but he saw the light. I did too, it just took a little education. Many right wingers have their view points because they never took the time to check facts out. For me, it was the Al Gore VS Bush 2000 election, I went to the ontheissues.org web site and looked at each platform. I then realized that I had NOTHING in common with Bush, and most of my core beliefs were actually Democratic, not Republican. The more I searched and the more i learned, the more i went to the left field. I have seen a similar progression in Eds show, at first he was tentatively left of center, now he is on a hard left of center field

I'm starting to wonder, with the organized attempt to get Ed off the air in Phoenix by the right wingers, to the point they bought out his station, is this part of some campaign by faux liberals (GOP agents) to try to get the progressives to start tearing into each other? Divide from within? Its not going to work. We need talk radio on all levels, from left of center to hard left, that way we have a introductory message to people on the fence, and a platform to talk to our core constituency.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 06:51 PM
Response to Reply #7
21. I don't believe this story (or at least this person's version)...
...has ever been posted on a blog.
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don954 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 07:17 PM
Response to Reply #21
43. uh, you linked to it yesterday with a spam to the GD messageboard
Edited on Sun Apr-16-06 07:18 PM by don954
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 07:21 PM
Response to Reply #43
46. I did?
Oh! Duh. You mean the small eddie site? That is another version of this same story. Not told by the person who told me this version.

This is a second version of that same event. Because eye witnesses often tell different stories, I thought it would be important to have this version out there too.
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don954 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 07:29 PM
Response to Reply #46
49. basicly the same crap re-written
you seem to have it out for Ed, with what is becomming daily anti-ed postings. He shoot your dog or something?
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 07:53 PM
Response to Reply #49
62. This makes my second posting on him EVER.
And it is a totally original story mailed to me by somebody who was there. Plus, I didn't write the one on that other site *or* this one.

As for why?

In the first instance it is because I listened to that clip and was VERY offended that he would treat anybody like that, and very offended that he was insulting all of the people in Phoenix who had made the new AAR station there a reality.

In this instance, it is because I was asked to post this by somebody I respect.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 01:43 AM
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122. Organized attempt to get "ED off the air in Phoenix' ?
Excuse me? This wasn't about Ed. This was about AAR and especially our local hosts. And we brought AAR back. This wasn't anything to do with Ed who dissed AAR Phoenix and our efforts to bring it back.Ed was against us. And BTW, he was the le4ast populat talk show host in Phoenix. Our locals did better than he did. This was definately nothing to do with ED!And he isn't back and we don't miss him. We have everyone eles though!
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 12:11 PM
Response to Reply #122
174. Sorry that you don't have the #1 liberal voice in America. n/t
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 03:35 PM
Response to Reply #174
214. and who is that most liberal voice? ed? (that's funny)
(are you a cousin to that guy or something?)

hey--if i want to hear sports crap i can turn on one of a dozen sports stations around here. i don't need my only progressive station yapping sports or how we shouldn't bother helping the az station. blagh!
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 12:10 PM
Response to Reply #7
173. Great post Don954. I like Ed cuz I know he appeals to converts..
..like you! It'll take many more like you, and like Ed, to regain the idea that the Democrats are the average-voter's party, not the elite party. I know it's ironic, that the billionaire elitist fatcats in the GOP have successfully portrayed the GOP as the party of the people, and the Dems as being out of touch.. when it just ain't so. Ed really helps in that way.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 03:59 PM
Response to Reply #7
225. Glad you've seen the light - you are forgiven for you past transgressions
You are welcome and so is Ed - I've also enjoyed watching him learn and grow as a liberal host. If he steps out of line he will be dismissed, until then he is a welcome ally.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 06:38 PM
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8. That is an interesting story
Al Frankin sure does not view Schultz the way your source has painted him. I am not saying your source is wrong, and to be frank I am not that big of a fan of Schultz, but phoney or not, he does bring something to the table, and that is conservatives who do NOT subscribe to the neocon agenda.


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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 06:39 PM
Response to Original message
9. Stephanie Miller
may have a lot of DC connections (via her late father), but I haven't heard anyone say she was anything other than a liberal comedian/satarist. As far as Ed Schultz is concerned, I think just listening to him for a while will allow each person to acertain what kind of person he is. Personally, I would encourage everyone to give Guy James a listen online; he's on the same time as Ed in my area.

www.theguyjamesshow.com

Thanks, benburch, for streaming Guy's show.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #9
48. & Stephanie is the daughter of a Republican vice presidential candidate
I think her show is hilarious. I think Ed is very pragmatic and I like his approach as well. Al is very honest & maybe a little too fair. Randi can be rude at times but mostly she's pretty good. I like some of the lesser easy to catch on radio folks like Thom & others but they don't get my ear enough for me to form an opinion.
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 02:44 PM
Response to Reply #48
201. She is Barry Goldwater's daughter.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #201
205. Actually, she's William Miller's daughter.
He ran as Barry Goldwater's VP candidate in 1964.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_E._Miller
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 03:21 PM
Response to Reply #205
206. d'oh you are correct. Thanks for correcting me!
With that said, Stephanie Miller kicks ass! I love her show.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 06:42 PM
Response to Original message
12. Argh!!!!
I don't like to see this in fighting. If Ed ain't right he'll be exposed in time.
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Tinksrival Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 06:51 PM
Response to Reply #12
22. Ditto Argh!!
I'm with you. I don't care how phoney he is as long as he's pulling people to our side of the aisle.
Ed has his market(mid west), it's most likely not Randi's or Mike's. It seems he's trying to fish from the same pond as Limpballs. I say have at it just as long as those votes end up in the Dem column.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 03:31 PM
Response to Reply #22
210. "I say have at it just as long as those votes end up in the Dem column"
Triple ditto!
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sheelz Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 06:55 PM
Response to Reply #12
27. He's been exposed...
this is not new, it's another source.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 03:37 PM
Response to Reply #27
215. Exactly what has been exposed?
I'm listening to him now - he's tearing RWers a new ass hole by the minute.

Where is the problem?

We enjoy when a news host tears up a righty one day, then hate them the next when they are more centered.

Is there some kind of purity test for being a Democrat?

I'm not sure many folks here or Dems in general that could pass this "test"!
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 07:18 PM
Response to Reply #12
44. I'm with you
Edited on Sun Apr-16-06 07:18 PM by Mr_Spock
I listen to Ed every day - if he's going to stop supporting liberals in the future I'll dump him then, otherwise I'm a listener no matter what slanderous second hand information is posted about him at DU.
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Pushed To The Left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 02:16 AM
Response to Reply #12
128. It irritates the hell out of me!
I wonder if those who are attacking Ed Schultz have ever really listened to his show. Ex-conservatives can be some of the most passionate progressives!
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #128
191. Agree with you!
Schultz has given air time to my local Congressional candidate. I think that was better handled by a Schultz-type show than a Randi Rhodes type, considering my area.

I think we need a spectrum of voices to appeal to liberals and "potential liberals".

(btw, love your avatar. Have you checked out the DU Kerry forum? >> http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... )
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 01:57 PM
Response to Reply #128
193. so true!
That's one thing "righties" and "lefties" have in common--strong feelings and interest in politics. And it's totally possible for someone to covert from right to left--I did. I believe Ed did, too.

I like Randi, and I like Ed. But Ed takes more calls and has more guests on, Senators and Reps especially, which is more interesting than just hearing one voice. Randi is mostly Randi, and she can get repetitive.
My daily radio listening includes mostly Franken and Schultz, with a little of others thrown in, and I like those two best because of interesing guests.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 06:44 PM
Response to Original message
14. It's really sad that the big tent
Democratic Party doesn't seem to be big enough for people like Ed Shultz. Must all of our talk radio persons be Randi clones?

Don't like him? Don't listen to him.

Mz Pip
:dem:
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vikegirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 06:55 PM
Response to Reply #14
26. "Don't like him? Don't listen to him."
Thanks you - seconded!
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sheelz Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 06:47 PM
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16. Yes, he's a phoney...
Mike Malloy called him out too.
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IMSA Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 07:16 PM
Response to Reply #16
41. Bullshit
Eds no phony, at least in my book. I listen to Ed whenever I can and prefer him over anyone else on AAR. Ed appeals to people like me. Im almost 50, male, a Kennedy Democrat, life long Oregonian, not an environmentalist but a conversationalist, the late Republican Governor Tom McCall is one of my heros, and am now consider myself more of a Centrists than a far left Democrat. Randi is fine but I she tends to exaggerate facts a little too much for my tastes. I listen to Mike M and he gets a little too out of control for me at times. I can take or leave Frankin. I would really like to see Ed and Bill OReilly debate each other knowing Ed could kick OReillys ass from here to the moon on a moments notice. Eds one of the good guys.

IMSA
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sheelz Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 07:36 PM
Response to Reply #41
54. Ed Schultz debating Bill O'Reilly...
You've picked a low target. All O'Reilly would have to do is say "shut up" once and Schultz would win the debate. :rofl:

No wonder the party is in trouble.

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IMSA Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 07:42 PM
Response to Reply #54
56. Ed Schultz debating Bill O'Reilly...
And what do you think would happen if O'Reilly told Schultz to "shut up". My guess is it wouldn't be pretty.

IMSA
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sheelz Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 07:48 PM
Response to Reply #56
57. What do you mean it wouldn't be pretty?
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sheelz Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 08:19 PM
Response to Reply #41
69. Answer me this--if you will...
Edited on Sun Apr-16-06 08:20 PM by sheelz
Schultz Steps Down Locally To Focus Nationally
http://billboardradiomonitor.com/radiomonitor/news/form...
We need all the radio we can get! Why drop?? Could there be another solution?


Take a look at the poll on his website:
http://www.bigeddieradio.com /

What do you think will happen to Donald Rumsfeld?
a) Nothing, Rumsfeld will stay on the job
b) Rumsfeld will resign
c) Bush will fire him


Where in the hell is answers like: d) War Crimes e) Prison f) The Hague

These are small examples with little research, but it has a big impact.

edit for link




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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #41
195. Randi can lean too far left and be unfair--
One time she was reading something from Newsweek. I happened to have the same issue in front of me and read along. She what she chose to read and what she left unread showed that she was cherry-picking in order to make her point--but left the listener with a false impression.

Another thing she does is exactly what Rush Limbaugh does--she criticizes a person by ascribing all sorts of evil motives to them, and then condemning those motives. "I suppose he will...and then he'll...because he thinks that..." You get the idea.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 09:45 PM
Response to Reply #195
299. That is so true. There are days I like Randi and other
days when she embellishes an incident to death, I get off the air fast.
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guidod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 09:02 PM
Response to Reply #16
74. Ed Schultz is NOT a phony.
how often do you listen to him?
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sheelz Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 10:17 PM
Response to Reply #74
93. I'm haven't listened to him in about a year...
Has he changed?
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guidod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 11:02 PM
Response to Reply #93
100. HAS HE CHANGED?! Ed Schultz admits
he is an ex-republican. He has the #1 rated progressive show in the Country and is the ONLY progressive radio host that is on Armed Forces Radio. The first 2 hours of his show is aired to our troops in Iraq, Afghanistan and everywhere else in the world letting them know the liberal side of every argument. For some reason there are some here at DU that want to smear this man, especially the people from the White Rose Society.

Please sheelz believe me when I say Ed Schultz does not deserve this treatment, you know me better than that. Also, listen to Schultz and give him a fair chance.

I'm going to open a new thread on this matter and I'll need all the help I can muster up. You know I wouldn't do this unless I was very passionate about it.
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sheelz Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 11:42 PM
Response to Reply #100
107. I know your very passionate...
Edited on Mon Apr-17-06 12:03 AM by sheelz
I just don't see your passion in Ed Schultz. This is the what that matters...it's not the who. Perhaps in time, I'll see the passion I'm looking for. I do appreciate that he has access to the troops ears. Is he telling them to put their weapons down and come home? :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: Is he telling them to come and get these assholes. Is he pissing them off?

Damn, I wish I could say it on the radio so they could hear it. Just once! I'd risk the radio job for it and all the money that goes with it. Damn them all!


edit: to add the
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guidod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 12:26 AM
Response to Reply #107
111. What I get from Ed Schultz is
being able to listen to someone who speaks about veterans rights, unions, middle class and someone who doesn't screen his calls. I know a lot of other radio hosts say they don't screen their calls, but they do. He talks to republicans, liberals and everybody in between and deals with whatever they want to talk about. I haven't heard him ever say to put your weapons down and come home, although that would be nice. There's a lot more happening in our country than just Iraq, I know it's the most important, but I want to talk about the rest as well.

The way he gets treated here at Du is really unfair, he even gets yelled at because he sounds like Rush Limbaugh and that's not fair. He has a lot of good guests on his show, Barbara Boxer, Ted Kennedy, Tom Daschle, Harry Reid, Nancy Palosi, Cindy Sheehan, Paul Hackett and a heck of a lot more liberals. He also talks about some sports, hunting (which I hate), fishing, his dogs and other things you just don't hear on other talk shows.

I, for one, don't like to sit here and listen to one constant drum beat over and over. I enjoy Randi Rhodes, Thom Hartmann and Al Franken but Ed Schultz is my favorite because of all the different types of callers. Give him a try again but don't sit down and think you're going to hear a constant one directional rant. Keep fighting!

:hi:
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sheelz Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 01:38 AM
Response to Reply #111
120. Schultz is our only "democratic" voice the troops hear....
I know Iraq is just one issue. But it's a big one. Is he telling truths to the troops. Is he telling them that Bush lied to them? If he isn't doing that, then I'd have to say he is part of the problem.

I don't mind one directional rant. Besides DU and C-Spam, I get a variety from Thom Hartmann, Mike Malloy, Randi Rhodes and Rachel Madow. But I won't go the other direction.

I cringe when Repubs call in. They offer nothing--absolutely nothing. They spew talking points and deny basic facts. I want to kick their ass.

You have an accepting heart--much more then I. I'm glad you stood up for Ed. That's what I like about you! You have deep passions. And you might be wrong :evilgrin: but I'll give you a hug anyway. :hug:

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guidod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 11:25 AM
Response to Reply #120
154. Not everything can be agreed on,
we all need a voice to nourish our desires and keep us focused on the directions we see most important. It's very nice that you keep all of your energies directed towards what is happening in the middle east.

I listen to Madow, Rhodes, Maloy and Hartmann (on the computer) as well. I just need someone like Schultz that will allow me to step back and see other issues. With Schultz, what ever you hear in the first 2 hours of show is what our troops are hearing.

We need more people like you that have the same passion and the same voice when it comes to getting our troops home. Here's a hug back. :hug:
I also appreciate all of your help you give in stopping the draft. :hippie:
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 11:54 AM
Response to Reply #120
165. Ed calls Bush to task ALL the time.
He's not a Bush apologist in the least. I think his style is comforting to many people that aren't ready to proclaim themselves liberal. I love knowing that he's being beamed over to the troops each day.. cuz his talking about fishing and cars and sports HAS to be a welcome thing to the troops over in the Middle East who are living in this alternate universe over there, removed from the things that make America.. America.

I have zero doubt about Ed's comittment to the Democrats. I know he's an ex-republican, and that makes him even more credible, Have you ever spent time with an "ex" anything? Like an ex-smoker? They are the most tenacious of all about what they left behind and WHY.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 03:33 PM
Response to Reply #111
212. can your answer her question
"Is he telling truths to the troops. Is he telling them that Bush lied to them?"

This is her question.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 01:53 AM
Response to Reply #100
124. I will never give Ed achance after what he did to my friends at AAR
Phoenix. He lied and smered them both on the air and in writing. I suppose you believe we should srtill trust him and ignore this? I think not. He has no respect for the founders of Air America and said so, and he has NO respect for Public Radio or AAR. I have no respect for him. He is creepy!
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 04:07 PM
Response to Reply #100
227. Ed's one of the good guys
Don't get too upset at the "purity test" people who don't think he's liberal enough. If he wasn't so popular they wouldn't be aiming for him. I personally find it disgusting the amount of wasted energy here attacking someone who has been 100% behind Democrats for the past year I've been listening.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 03:40 PM
Response to Reply #74
216. I agree - I listen to him every day I can
Some have devised a secret "purity test" and apparently they don't like people who used to be Republicans or who are midwestern meat eaters. I think this is the single biggest problem that Dems have to face up to - this reverse prejudice stuff against Dems they don't think are "pure" enough. :banghead:
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 06:47 PM
Response to Original message
17. credible source? credible story?
really hard to believe this story.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 06:48 PM
Response to Reply #17
18. Entirely credible source.
Or I wouldn't have posted it when asked to.
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 07:48 PM
Response to Reply #18
58. Shultz had his epiphany in 2000 or before, thanks to his now wife.
Daschle was defeated in 2004, so Ed was not exactly the right-winger your source claims he was when Daschle was running for re-election.

The timeline's not right, which makes the story less credible.

I just made a long drive home from a family funeral and entertained myself with podcasts from Thom Hartmann and Ed Schultz's shows.

Thom was typically informative and interesting. He's a treasure.

Ed had interviews with Sen. Russ Feingold, Sen. Barbara Boxer, Seymour Hersch, Sen. Kent Conrad, Howard Dean, Wes Clark. Gov. Bryan Schweitzer, a renewable fuels guy, Sen. Ron Wyden, a nuclear proliferation guy, Sen Ted Kennedy, Sen. Harry Reid, Joseph Wilson, Larry Johnson, Sen Tom Harken, Sen John Kerry, Nick Lampson, Sen Carl Levin and others.

I don't care what he used to be -- giving all these Dems and liberals a forum to strut their stuff is fantastic.

Schultz also beats the drums daily for workers and unions.

On one of his podcasts he started by welcoming his new listeners in Vicksburg, Mississippi. He'll follow Rush Limbaugh on that station, and I think he'll do a lot of good there.

He could be just what the doctor ordered for the deep South.

That said, I don't want to hear any rivalries among ANY of the hosts. I find it incredibly unprofessional and tiresome, and I'll click-wheel right through it.

Anyway, I wanted to point out the hitch in the timeline of the anti-Ed story.


P.S. The only person I require near-perfection of is my Brilliant Husband, which he nearly always exceeds. :)

I take my friends, radio hosts, teevee hosts, work colleagues and family as they are.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 10:22 PM
Response to Reply #58
96. Then why was he still spouting GOPerisms before the 2002 mid terms? nt
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 12:02 AM
Response to Reply #96
109. He didn't get a national show until January 2004, so I hadn't heard
him say anything at all until he came on our local AAR affiliate last summer or fall.

What did he say in 2002?
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 01:16 AM
Response to Reply #109
114. Well, here are a few examples from written commentary...
I have it on the word of people who live in his market that he was conservative as could be until after the 2002 elections, but I of course couldn't prove anything he said or did not say without aircheck tapes.

So, I decided to use archive.org to see what was being said about him and by him on his home station's web site. These first items are commentary written by him, any bolding added is mine;

Is the country burned out ?
November 13, 2000

Callers to talk shows all over the country have filled the lines with political talk before and after the election. My question is this. Is there a burnout factor coming into play here? We are living in historical times and waters that have never been charted. I say to those veterans who died for us and paid the ultimate price this is no time to back off. Freedom of speech and freedom of the press is the very foundation of this election. It's sad to have the legal system clutter the election as it leaves americans with a bad taste in their mouth, but it's the process and it's american. Let's all give the process time to work itself out, and keep the faith. I'll take any call on this issue at any time. This is what we do.


Just Notes......
December 13, 2000

Next week will be pretty exciting for the red head. I'll be broadcasting live from my hometown of Norfolk Virginia for a few days as Wendy and I swing back for the holidays. Admiral Crocker will host our show with me talking about the military and his assignment, NATO. That will be next Monday the 18th. Tuesday my lifelong friend Mark Ballard will join me just to shoot the breez and talk about the world. Open lines from the east coast are always fun.

The Sioux logo issue was hot a few days ago and remains hot until the President makes a decision. Iam told next Thursday the 21st at the board of higher education meeting in Jamestown he'll have something for the board to mull over. He may pass the decision to them, or just put the law down then about the logo.

I actually thought that Al Gore would pull it off somehow. The election goes to Gov. Bush and life goes on. This may be the best situation for the farmer. A 50/50 senate and a president that knows something about agriculture. This will also slow down the EPA and get the tree huggers off the backs of the farmers. We'll keep an eye on that.

John Madden has his cruiser, and soon Big Eddy will have his, broadcasting from anywhere in the country. The great sponsors of the Mighty Crusier are PEPSI, MARVIN WINDOWS,NORTH DAKOTA FARMERS UNION, and GATEWAY CHEVORLET. I'll tell you more about this venture later.



Radio changes......more to come.....
January 2, 2001

There is a small group of people who expected to hear Don Imus this morning on KVOX-AM 1280 The Ticket. Well, Imus is history in this market as far as we are concerned. The numbers were terrible at best. The program didn't sell and the program content was weak. I'll explain more on the show this morning.
There will be more changes coming in the next several months on The Ticket as well. Rush Limbaugh will be moved to KVOX-AM. Other programs will also be added to the station to generate revenue and more of an audience. The station will still have a strong focus to local sports especially at night with local play by play.
We are excited to get Rush Limbaugh on the station and we believe it will fit well with the new direction of KVOX-AM


January 3, 2001

There has been much talk in recent days about the national popular radio show Rush Limbaugh. You can't argue with the success of Limbaugh in the radio industry and what he has done for AM radio. In the Fargo market the show will be moving from its current location on the dial to KVOX-AM 1280. This move comes after the shift of radio ownership in the market. To the listener it means you'll find the same great program on the AM dial but at a different location. It's a national program , so what difference does it make to the listener where you hear it? The answer is , it doesn't. KVOX-AM is a long established station with a long history of service in the market. This is a great move for our company and it will only enhance our chance to gather more listeners for Limbaugh and the station.
News and Views, the top rated show in the market will be going on a regional network in the coming months as well. This is a big challenge for me as the host and a great opportunity to bring more regional subjects and content to the table. This is the first time anything like this has been tried in North Dakota broadcasting. I'll explain more about our plans for the show in detail on this web page in future articles.


Here is a "Personality Profile" archived on January 24th, 2001;

The familiar voice of talk radio in the valley works at KFGO. Ed Schultz brings his fiery style to the air weekday mornings from 9:00 am to 11:00 am. Ed has spent the majority of his broadcasting career doing play-by-play, sports news and of course the type of talk radio that has made him famous. For over 10 years, Ed has been doing conservative talk in the Fargo market.
Ed prides himself on letting the caller express his or her opinion regardless of whether he agrees or not. Give Ed a call during "News and Views," weekdays from 9:00 am to 10:30 am, or just listen. It's a great way to start the day.


So, at least, I can document that any Road To Damascus experience for Ed came after January 2001...

Wikipedia claims "Interestingly, Schultz pondered a run as a Republican for the U.S. House against Democratic Rep. Earl Pomeroy in 1994, but decided against it after visiting with state Republican leaders."

In any case, I know that there are some air checks out there, and I'll hunt them down if you like, but that may take time.

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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 01:56 PM
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192. Well, now he is supporting Democrats.
Do you have anything more recent that shows a contradiction to his public support for Democrats on his show? Like since 2004?
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 04:14 PM
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229. I know, those archives are so lame.
He still to this day can be pragmatic at times and criticize Dems (Dean for instance) but what is wrong with trying to steer the party if the end results are good for the success of the party?

He had Dean on his show today which shows to me that he can learn to work with people even though he had criticized them at one time - can the same be said for Randi?
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 04:47 PM
Response to Reply #192
237. You mean since right before he took Democratic money?
Nope.

He's a good mercenary so far.
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Nitrogenica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 06:48 PM
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19. I listen to him on AAR on the way home from work every day, and
he goes to bat for us every day! He debunks that right wing spin machine again and again. Sure I'd rather listen to Randi, but Ed Schultz is no righty, people.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 06:50 PM
Response to Reply #19
20. You may listen to him on an AAR affiliate...
but he is not part of the AAR network.
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ncrainbowgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 06:56 PM
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28. Doesn't that make it better? The fact that there isn't just ONE network?
The Jones Radio Network has some programming that I prefer to AAR, and vice versa. I like to have OPTIONS. It's a very new thing, especially as a progressive... Getting to choose which host I listen to is a luxury that 3 years ago, I didn't think that I'd have. :shrug:

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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 07:08 PM
Response to Reply #28
35. Oh, absolutely.
I am totally into options.

And I totally think Ed should be one of them.

But I am going to help people voice their opinions about him because I think that honest opinions and factual stories need to be told.
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Nitrogenica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 07:09 PM
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36. Well yeh I do know that!
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 06:52 PM
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23. Enough of this sh@#! Focus your attacks on the Republicans, please!
Completely unproductive.
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Thtwudbeme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 12:18 PM
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175. He is focusing his attacks on the Republicans
You might not like this story; but the fact that you don't like it does not make it "unproductive."

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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 04:32 PM
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234. I agree.
I could see if this guy was an egregious backstabber of some sort, but I have yet to see any evidence that his conversion to the left will be reversed any time soon. Some people here like to label anyone who does not pass certain "purity test" items as a republican. You are right though - it is totally unproductive.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 06:52 PM
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24. Sometimes I agree with Ed, sometimes I don't
and sometimes I turn him off in disgust. But he's mostly on our side and I think he reaches a demographic that Franken, Rhodes, etal don't.
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 06:57 PM
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29. You Seem To Post A Lot Of Schultz Bashing Threads
I've only listened to Ed a few times and I liked him

but the threads you've posted, if true, make me want to hate him.

I'm having a hard time reconciling my impressions with these threads (and I listened to him ranting about Phoenix radio, on the radio as a caller the other day on one of your threads.

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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 06:59 PM
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31. Well, I don't want anybody to literally hate him.
But I do view anything he says or does with the greatest suspicion, and those within the radio community I respect most concur with this, some in private, others in public.

Maybe he *did* have his thunderbolt on the road to Damascus, who can tell? But I've never believed in that sort of conversion. I do believe in the sort of conversion money can buy, however.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 10:28 PM
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304. I don't trust too much of anybody
I like to listen to as many people as I can can and take it with a grain of salt. Everybody has an agenda. I like to listen to Democracy Now, Alex Jones, Ed Schultz and Mike Malloy. They all have a certain flavor and their own take. Being original is not sin and putting your own tapestry together while finding things out that are relevant is what the the three blind men did when they went to describe the elephant. Just because you can see or feel a piece of it doesn't necessary mean you know what it is.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 06:57 PM
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30. I have a dumb question.
IF Schultz is a dyed-in-the-wool, real conservative, why did he make a deal with the libs, when he could have made a deal with the Republicans and been so much more connected and get more money? After all, it's the GOP that's in control of everything, from school boards to the presidency. If he were a real conservative, and held real conservative views, would he be expousing lib views? No, because then he wouldn't be a real conservative. He'd be a nothing that switches from one party to another at the blink of an eye.

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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 07:04 PM
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34. Not a dumb question at all, Sarah.
My *personal* belief? He sounds much too much like Rush Limbaugh to ever make it in the very saturated market of RW talk radio.

I mean, look at the competition. Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, etc. All established, all drinking as deeply from that well as they can. There is a limit to the number of people who can do that before it runs dry.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 07:17 PM
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42. Okay, however, he's not promoting right wing ideology on Air America
I've listened to him. He's not promoting right wing ideology on Air America. If he were, I think he would've been fired. Sure he's not as left wing as Randi. I am more like Randi in my thinking. I also hate the fact that Ed hunts. However, I think Ed is a magnet for former right wingers that are pissed off by this administration, and a springing board for them to take off their GOP diapers and put on some liberal BIG BOY PANTS. I like that. Former right wingers will NOT find a Randi Rhodes appealing at all.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 08:04 PM
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66. I'm not saying he isn't toasting Bush's ass on a daily basis.
That's not my issue at all.

I was offended by that rant on the clip from Mike Newcomb's site. And on the basis of that, and the story I was mailed and asked to post here, I think he is only in it for the money.

Now, I am a sexworker's rights activist, and far be it from me to say that somebody who is only in it for the money cannot do a good job! But you shouldn't expect them to love you the next morning.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 09:44 PM
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85. True lol If he's not left wing, and he's just spewing left wing, oh well
However, I'd hate it more the other way around. Such as someone who claims to be right wing, but who takes money from the right wing, and whose plans involve badmouthing Democrats so the right wingers could be elected. Like, for example, Nader, who pretended to be left wing, and all the while he was accepting campaign money from the Republicans, and pretending he had a chance to be president, when all he was doing was asking people to stop the Democrats so that Republicans could be elected. Thanks to him we've had 8 years of the deaths of our people and theirs in Iraq, cheating of our seniors, stealing of our money, leaving our treasury without a penny, spying on us, arresting us without warrants, polluting our land, destroying our food supply, and so much more heinous crap.
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sheelz Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 08:45 PM
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72. I can think of a couple of reasons...
1. It's all about him
2. Too much competition on the between right-wingers
3. Start out slow, hook them, change message slowly, and the reel them in.
4. A way into the Democratic Party

Take one or take them all. I don't care. Just don't take our party and it's members.
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 07:03 PM
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33. Randi's story -- as told by her -- is that the money Ed got was to
be be a mouth piece for the Democratic party, same way Faux is for the RNC and current White House. She wasn't interested, so she turned it down. Ed did not.

Ed, with his republican roots, is more of a conservative democrat. He does serve his audience. There's probably not a lot of Thom Hartmann listeners who listen to Ed. But, with his ol' boy delivery, he can attract listeners to the democratic message that other talkers can't.

I don't mind him. But, God love him if he's turning out democratic voters.
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rniel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 09:23 AM
Response to Reply #33
143. my two cents
Edited on Mon Apr-17-06 09:27 AM by rniel
The mess we are in now. I don't give a shit if he was or is a conservative. He's certainly isn't doing anything but help turn out more democratic voters. Why not put your energy and venom into Fox News instead. Now there's some biased shit.

I'm even aware that he attacked my favorite man Dean and he attacked Murtha and I was mad about that, but going after Ed Schults doesn't seem to be doing anything productive to get us out of the mess we're in.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 10:51 AM
Response to Reply #33
149. Actually, I think she said "DLC" not "DNC".
I could be mistaken though.

There is a difference.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 11:50 AM
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162. Ed and Thom are my two faves.
Doesn't seem possible, does it? Cuz they'd appear to be so different. I like Thom because of his low key style and his information, and his genuine concern for his callers and guests. I like Ed for many of those same things. His show is interesting, and I kinda like the down-home-ness of it. Ed is TOTALLY winning over converts daily. They can listen to his show and feel as though they are still in their element. America has really gotten so casual and so down-home, that he resonates with many people.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 07:11 PM
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37. Schultz has stolen Limbaugh listeners in Miami, FL


Here's another reason why Schultz is good for libs:

Liberal talk radio trends ahead of Limbaugh among 25-54 in Miami
RAW STORY

Advance trend numbers for spring radio ratings in the Miami market, leaked to RAW STORY, reveal that liberal talk posted hefty gains against the once-indomitable Rush Limbaugh. In particular, The Ed Schultz show actually passed Limbaugh among the 25-54 age range in the nation's twelfth largest radio market. Schultz scored a 3.4 rating to Limbaugh's 3.2, climbing 1.1 ratings points from the winter figures. In his own backyard, how can Limbaugh lose to a liberal talker? What am I doing with a 3.4 and hes sitting with a 3.2? Schultz asked RAW STORY in a telephone interview this morning. We come a long way from being the poor little guy from North Dakota.

Limbaugh's program is carried by Miami-based WIOD NewsRadio 610; Schultz and Franken are hosted by WINZ, South Florida's Progressive Talk, formerly Fox Sports radio. The two programs posted gains in every single age category. The numbers do not provide insight into the growth of Air America's drive time host Randi Rhodes, who runs 6-9 p.m. in Miami. The advance numbers are trends and are not finalized figures. Insiders say trend numbers do not fall, but can increase in the publicly-released finalized numbers. Some tell RAW STORY that some in the industry have encouraged Schultz to take on Limbaugh in the noon to 3 p.m. time slot. Schultz's program was recently purchased by the former president of Clear Channel Radio and one of the initial promoters of Limbaugh's show.
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Liberal_talk_radio_trends...


I want people to vote Democrat. That's my #1 interest. If it takes a former right winger, so be it.




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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 07:13 PM
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38. Black and white
Edited on Sun Apr-16-06 07:15 PM by PATRICK
is a little rare. When one wants to consider someone a total lying double agent that takes a lot of proof. Some of what is posted explains Ed very well.

So far, what it appears to be is a convert, or someone getting so much into the liberal game as to be sincerely part of it. But a convert always carries his past self with him in odd ways. That seems open too. A real actor would erase from his role all hints of his past, not be that odd amalgam, that creative new creature. Because the biggest danger for a double agent is crossing over, becoming the atrractive force of good, and never being trusted by the "dark side" again.

We have more trouble with campaign advisers and higher ups who truly are foxes in the henhouse at least by evidence of deeds and results. Schultz was to be the populist, center right link for the leadership Dems to the Reagan Dems and other voters. Not too deep in fact, as he has shown on many an occasion. His is unsteady relationship with Dean(not part of the dealmakers originally as per this post) seems part of the criticism, but in his defense- at the beginning- he has lambasted the weak leadership of the Democrats he favored on issues like Dubai. In other words, he is getting into the populist sincerity thing very passionately.

None of the talk show hosts are perfect- as we simmer here waiting for a genuine, free, national NEWS network. What we are getting instead are competing opinions in the wilderness of real national information all too often bouncing off the absurd failure known as the MSM, hardly a good starting point.

The personality and money competition tiffs are really small potatoes. As long as each host wakes up some faction of the people and gives them hope their interim task is fulfilled. When the political landscape is ever transformed they will have their real work cut out for them to find the harder research on substance and direction. Ed may be characterized as an a$$hole but he is ours.

In crises or outside crises it is easy in anger to use the two color brush and insinuate all sorts of dark conspiracy to highlight the contrast, but it is much more what you see is what you get and results are what one should focus on. Results are what we need not personality purity and word perfect.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 07:14 PM
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39. I don't mind Schultz that much,
though he's not my favorite by a long shot. I'd rather listen to Steph or (even better) Hartmann. Hartmann is learned and articulate in a way that many of the others aren't.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 07:15 PM
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40. Damn, he sounds pretty liberal to me...
I listen to him shredding the neo-cons everyday he is on the air. I actually prefer his show to Al Franken's or Randi's, which air just before and just after Ed's show on the Air America affiliate I listen to. Randi is a little too overbearing, and constantly interupts callers, though I totally agree with her on issues. Ed gives everyone a chance to speak their mind, even if he disagrees with what they are saying. Al Franken is just a little too corny for me. I still listen to all of these shows however.

Ed Shultz may have a feud going with Randi, and for all I know he's a real asshole, but that surely doesn't disqualify him from being "liberal".
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 07:21 PM
Response to Reply #40
45. "I actually prefer his show to Al Franken's or Randi's"
This is exactly why the character assasination happens regularly here. Ed is popular amongst many of us - I have EXACTLY the same view of Randi & Al as you - there is a reason I like Ed more than either one of them.
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don954 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 07:23 PM
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47. I cant stand Franken, i think he is unfunney in his really bad
impressions and has a monotone voice. But i don't want him off the air, he is another voice for our side. I do want Mark and Mark in the mornings back though! They were much funnier than the new person!
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 11:55 AM
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166. Love Franken's books, can't stomach him on the air.
I feel bad, cuz I like him.. and love his books. But his show makes me cringe with embarrassment sometimes.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 07:30 PM
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50. Anonymous? Can just as well be a made up story.
Not enough for me to draw any conclusion.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 07:33 PM
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51. Your obsession has grown very tiresome. n/t
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 09:31 PM
Response to Reply #51
82. Ditto what QC said
If Schultz can get some to see the Bush administration and the republicans in congress for the criminals they are, then who really gives a flying fuck?

I grew up in ND. I saw Schultz on TV as the sportscaster and heard him on the radio. He was an asshole. Could some of your story be true? Sure, but people change. But I also know how some people love to blow shit out of proportion when they have a personal grudge or dislike of someone. I had a lot of family and friends in SD, I don't know a one of them that ever listened to Ed Schultz on the radio or had a station that carried him. What good would switching to progressive talk on a ND station do Daschle in SD if so few people ever heard him there?

I like Randi and I agree with her on a lot more issues than I do Schultz. However, certain aspects of her show grate on my nerves. And in addition, this little hatred for Schultz that she has completely turned me off from her. Bitch, bitch, bitch. Worry about your own fucking show and the RW assholes spewing shit, quit wasting time on someone that many democrats enjoy.
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Thtwudbeme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 12:27 PM
Response to Reply #51
181. so has yours
if you can't stand this thread, or this topic, use the handy dandy "ignore" feature.

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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 12:45 PM
Response to Reply #181
185. Likewise, if you find my posts boring, you can stop following me around.
That's simple enough, isn't it?
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Thtwudbeme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 01:40 PM
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189. Oh, the drama! You use some pretty strong language in innapropriate
ways. I think this is the first time I have ever seen you on DU---I have responded TO you exactly once- and now this post.

Not exactly stalking you--but, then again, I could see how you might think that since you are so vulnerable to BenBurch's OP that you might have to change the station.

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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 04:45 PM
Response to Reply #189
236. When it comes to drama, nothing little ole me can do begins to compare
with weeping, wailing, and gnashing one's teeth over the notion that a talk show host that not one person in 10,000 has ever heard of is a threat to civilization itself.

That's some serious dramaqueenery!
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 07:34 PM
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52. Sounds to me like Athans was a good judge of talent
Edited on Sun Apr-16-06 07:38 PM by Mr_Spock
Ed still gets lots of good interviews with congressmen all these years later and he speaks common sense to power. The periodic attempts at character assassination over the years serve simply to question the motivations of those who publish them.

As a self-promoter here & competitor of Ed's, I have to question your motivation for publishing this and other self promotions within the same week. I'm sorry you've chosen this path as you're a very informative & dedicated poster otherwise.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 07:35 PM
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53. Okay, so let me see if I understand the problem here....
You're afraid that Schultz is secretly a right winger, that he LOVES GW, that he's still registered as a GOPer, and that he's just lying about being a liberal. Is that correct?
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 08:00 PM
Response to Reply #53
64. No...
I was offended at how he insulted the people who gave their own money to make AAR Phoenix a reality, so I posted yesterday.

I was asked to post this item, so I posted today.

And given what I heard in that clip, and the story told by two different people about this one event regarding the origins of his current show, I simply cannot trust him.

And I'm saying so.

You, and everybody else, are free to make up your own minds, but unless I post what I think, and the reasons I think that, how can anybody ever choose?
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redherring Donating Member (214 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 07:49 PM
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59. I love Ed and I'm gonna keep supporting him
and that's that.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 07:52 PM
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60. I've listened to Ed..
... for a while now. What does he strike me as? A conservative Democrat.

There was a post here Friday with him getting into it with another Liberal talk show dood over "bake sale radio". Now, to be honest, I felt like Schultz came off as a f*cking asshole in that recording. And, frankly he probably is an asshole.

Guess what? Lots of radio personalities, TV actors, game show hosts, pro athletes, supermodels and politicians are in fact f*cking assholes.

That gets us to the next question. Is he effective? Forget whether he is a "real liberal" or any of that stuff - so many of you here JUST DON'T GET IT, this is an entertainment medium and those who are successful are entertaining. Do you think Limbaugh and Coulter and the rest all believe everything they say? If so, you are incredibly naive.

I think Schultz appeals to swing voters. While I'd rather listen to Malloy, I don't think he's going to win over a lot of fence sitters, personally.

Bottom line, I could care less of Ed Schultz is an asshole, lots of "famous" people are. I care if he is effective. I think he probably is.
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bagimin Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 09:20 PM
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294. you nailed it
case closed.
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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 07:52 PM
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61. I question Randi not towing the party line.
Edited on Sun Apr-16-06 07:53 PM by mucifer
The talk radio hosts all do. I enjoy listening. Randi however is not that much more liberal than Ed or Al. She continuously talks about how perfect Bill Clinton was and overlooks many of his flaws. There are few dems she doesn't like.

Fact is the country is in such a huge mess it's hard to split hairs. Lets fight the repubs and win in November! Even if some on our side aren't perfect if we get a majority in congress it could only help our country. It doesn't matter who on the radio is saying it when I listen to Rachel, Randi, Ed or Al I basicly am hearing the same message: the war is messed up, the environment is messed up, the repubs are bought by corporations much more than the dems are, the war was started by lies etc, etc, etc.

I'm just glad we have a station here in Chicago where I can listen to this stuff while Im stuck for hours in city traffic.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 10:19 PM
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94. The correct phrase is "toeing the party line"
"This quibble brought to you by nitpickers for a better tomorrow."
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Southsideirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 07:55 PM
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63. I don't care if he is a phony or not, he is a good communicator and he is
a billion times better than the right wing garbage we get here in Chicago. Driving to work in the afternoon, it is a pleasure listening to him rather than the horrid alternatives on 'LS, 'GN, and the rest.
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titoresque Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 11:24 PM
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103. "I don't care if he's phony" WTF?!
Kinda sounds like the same garbage I hear from my repuke
inlaws.....they don't seem to care if Dubya is phony either.
Seriously, it's ok for us Dems to have standards and not just accept any old piece of shit LIAR just because "hey he's better than nothing"
What a bunch of crap!!!

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Yollam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 08:03 PM
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65. He IS the "liberal" Rush Limbaugh in so many ways...
I think they are exactly the same in that Limbaugh doesn't really care what he says - he is portraying a character and DOES NOT GIVE A CRAP ABOUT ANYTHING BUT THE MONEY. The man NEVER EVEN VOTED FOR REAGAN.

I believe Schultz to be the same way. It's not that I think he's a closet repuke. His loyalties are 100% to Ed Schultz. He is only a republican inasmuch as republicans are all about unbridled selfishness.

He's a POS and does nothing to inspire me in any way, so I choose not to listen to him. If his schtick helps bring a few right-wingers over to the center so that they can at least open their minds a bit, more power to him, but I see no reason why any progressive should ever listen to Schultz. Hell, I'd rather listen to Limbaugh.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 08:05 PM
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67. I can't stand Ed Schultz
He is a pompous, sexist ass who sounds in every way like Rush.
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sheelz Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 08:34 PM
Response to Reply #67
70. That's what happens when they switch parties...
It's still the same crap--now it's within our party.
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guidod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 08:56 PM
Response to Reply #70
73. Are you saying that people
can't have a change of heart and switch to a different party? Does everyone have to follow in lock step to a single set of drums in order to call themselves liberal? If this is true I can guarantee you we'll NEVER take back Washington. What I'm hearing here at DU, about Ed Schultz, is very frightening.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 09:04 PM
Response to Reply #73
75. No kidding.
Even Ronald Reagan was a Democrat at one point.
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sheelz Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 09:13 PM
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78. Yeah, and look what we got from Ronald Reagan....
Did his ideology drastically change that much?? I'm not proud to hear that Reagan was a Dem. Are you?
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 09:18 PM
Response to Reply #78
79. No, I'm not.
My point is that he did switch parties and is beloved by the people who he switched to.

We can't discount former Republicans coming to our side. Even David Brock and Arianna Huffington were once Republicans.
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sheelz Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 10:04 PM
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90. This is much more complex....
I really don't care if Reagan is beloved by people! Do you know what Reagan has done to this country? Would you have wanted Reagan to switch back. Would you want Bush, Rove, Cheney to switch parties. Should I accept them too?

What happens when Bush supporter switch for a single issue like fiscal responsibility. Do we have to support all they other crap that comes with them? Or just take their vote and fahgettaboudit. Diebold may but should we?

I don't discount David Brock and Arianna Huffington. They didn't vote for Bush. They changed their heart, soul and ideology. They are willing to question motives. They found truth and they live by it. They made took a huge leap.

At some point in time, I think the whole country will NOT support Bush. Perhaps when it's all done they won't support Republicans at all or they won't have a party at all. We need a two or more party system. I'd prefer for the Republican's to take their party back. If you have listened to Thom Hartmann, then you understand.


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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 10:25 PM
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97. Okay...
I didn't say Reagan was beloved by all people. I said he was beloved by Republicans.

If a Bush supporter switches for one issue, we don't have to support all their baggage. But we can at least listen to why they switched.

We don't need some stupid purity test for people to join us. Schultz may not be as liberal as you'd like, but he still does go to bat for our side on the big issues.

And as much as Mike Malloy is praised here, I don't think he has anywhere near the crossover appeal as Schultz does. Preaching to the converted isn't a cure-all. If we attract more voters (while still holding on to our basic principles), we can start winning for once.
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sheelz Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 11:20 PM
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101. I'll try one more time...
I didn't say "I really don't care if Reagan is beloved by all people." I really don't' care if he is beloved my one or millions. I don't eve care if he's beloved by any party! I detest the man, period.

The only purity test I have comes from my heart and often slow processing of information. If Schultz does it for you, all the power--to you. Keep listening.

As far as Mike Malloy and the crossover appeal, I strongly agree. Mike prefers them to be crossed over. As a matter of fact, so does DU. Should Skinner open the board to potential crossovers? I don't think so. They are welcome to read and hopefully learn something. After they have crossed-over they are welcome to join. If we even smell the hint of Repub crap--they're outta here. I have no problem with that and I prefer it. And if it changed, I'd probably leave.



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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 11:33 PM
Response to Reply #101
105. And you missed my point.
I brought up Reagan because he was accepted by the group he switched to, despite formerly being a member of the other side -- the same as we should do for Schultz.

We have many DUers who once voted for Republicans. Some of them even have one or two things in common with Republican philosophy. Hell, many long-time Democrats here do as well. It helps no one to nit-pick about whether someone is good enough for our side.

If someone agrees with the majority of our ideas, I think they should be allowed to post and speak freely. To demand perfection is ludicrous.

While we are comfortable with our ideas, we have to realize that many people are not comfortable with all of them. That is why a moderate like Schultz is able to appeal to more people than a hardcore liberal like Malloy.

Schultz fills a niche just like Malloy does. We can accept differences of opinion, but to shut the door on someone just because they don't fit a pre-conceived notion of liberalism is wrong.
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sheelz Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 09:09 PM
Response to Reply #73
76. It's much more than just a change of heart
or a switch of party membership. Basically, what I'm saying is the "end doesn't justify the means." That's the Repubs logic/ideology. If it's only about votes, then hell, we've become them. I'd prefer for them to take their own party back.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 08:45 PM
Response to Reply #67
71. So he'll appeal to the pompus, sexist ass democrats. Pompus, sexist ass
holes are men not democratic or republican.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 09:13 PM
Response to Reply #71
77. ...
that's true, they should have their own radio guy, since they won't like listening to Randi!
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 11:59 AM
Response to Reply #71
168. Wait! I LIKE Ed... I'm a female sexist pompous ASS???
hmmm.... I don't get the 'pompous ass sexist' thing at all. Ed is just like MOST of the Democrats outside the big cities. In case anyone has missed this.. America is much more Dukes of Hazard than we are Dukes of Earl. Flip flops and tractor hats are more the uniform of the day. Nascar has outstripped libraries outside of big cities. People like Ed are crucial to EVER dispelling the myth that all Democrats are latte sippin' bookworms, and all republicans own farms. (i.e. Bush and his "ranch", why do you think he and that faux cowboy Reagan got elected?).
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 06:03 PM
Response to Reply #168
246. Hey, it happens to the best of us.
And I am amazed at how many people here cannot understand that there is a whole country outside their urban neighborhoods and we need to reach it. Not everyone responds to the same personalities.
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vikegirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 11:54 PM
Response to Reply #67
108. Then why listen?
Don't like him? Turn the channel.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:29 AM
Response to Reply #108
138. I don't listen, but I gave him a chance.
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F.Gordon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 08:07 PM
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68. And Randi pimped for Bev Harris
What's your point?
:shrug:

Sooo.. this Tom Athans dude was out whorin' one day for the Dems and Ed was the only one who took the deal?

I listen to everyone on my local AM760 and that includes Ed. It sure beats the fuck out of the alternative and I don't place any of these people on pedestals.... Mike, Ed, Al, Randi, et al... they all have their "faults". They've all said things that I don't agree with and they all piss me off once in awhile but that doesn't make me stop listening because most of what is being said is important... it's the aggregate of the "voice" that is now of the airwaves that makes a difference.

You hate Ed. I get it.
:dunce:



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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 11:51 AM
Response to Reply #68
163. Randi got scammed by Bev Harris
once she figured out Bev was a con, she dumped her and the organization.
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F.Gordon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #163
186. I know the followup to the story, but.....
The fact remains she was pimpin' for Bev. The moral to this story is that people can be duped/misinformed and change their opinions and viewpoints. No one is perfect.
:hi:
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 12:51 PM
Response to Reply #186
187. Agreed,
I just feel "pimpin'" is a tad harsh. I think she wanted to help and she believed Bev. I believed her once, much to my great sorrow.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 09:28 PM
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81. Warts and all.
Edited on Sun Apr-16-06 09:29 PM by sellitman
My favorite radio show is Mike Malloy's. Maybe because he gets as mad as I do about what is going on in this country. Yet I disagree with him in a big way with his take on the Mid-East. He is very Pro- Palestinian and I am not. That one disagreement won't change my opinion of him over all though.

The same can be said for Randi. I love her but she can get pretty crude and childish at times . What I am trying to say is that it is the big picture I am looking at.

Ed may have a few warts but over all I am glad he is on the air. His market is to provide a semi-liberal view point to Limbaugh fans. He is the first stepping stone to reality for many who have only known the Republican view point.

Ben, You are one of DU's most respected contributors and just like the folks I mentioned up above......I don't have to agree with everything you have to say. Just keep up the big picture.

Regards,
Kevin


*Inserted one word
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 09:49 PM
Response to Reply #81
87. I say it's good to have Republicans on our side
It's even good to have Republicans that aren't on our side, SAYING THE SAME THINGS WE ARE. I don't care how they do it, they should be saying what we are. :beer:
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 03:53 PM
Response to Reply #81
223. I like your pragmatic approach
I'm with you on this - we need to take a broad-ranging point of view - all people who vote Democratic are not the same!
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 08:09 PM
Response to Reply #223
281. Thank you :)
However, by that I didn't mean that we libs ought to adjust our views to match those of Republicans. I guess I meant that if some Republicans begin to agree with us, hey, the door is open. If they disagree with us, they can just walk their skanky li'l arse out of our house. :-)
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 10:08 PM
Response to Reply #281
302. Believe me, I wasn't advocating we change our views
I do think we should allow for people who have some of the habits of Republicans but are actually quite liberal. There is no reason to shoo those people away IMHO. Heck, I like drag racing and sports and I own a gun and I like to drink and fish too - does that make me any less liberal?
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Balbus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 09:42 PM
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84. Don't believe it - I'll stick with Ed. eom
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titoresque Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 09:47 PM
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86. I don't understand why so many people here
can listen to the audio clips in an earlier post where Schultz basically
say's "I'm all about the money!" and "AAR Phoenix is bake-sale radio" etc........and then go on to say ...."but I'm glad Schultz is on the air" GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK! The man is a god damn phoney liar!

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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 09:52 PM
Response to Reply #86
88. AAR Phoenix is not bake sale radio, and he needs to stfu, however,
Edited on Sun Apr-16-06 09:59 PM by Sarah Ibarruri
Remember Marc Maron, who hosted the morning AAR program? He was talking trash about AAR too after he was told they would not be keeping him on. Sometimes people talk trash when they get their @$$ kicked? I don't know, could that be it? Just a thought...

Also, if AAR doesn't like his comments, can't they fire him? Or AAR is not allowed to do that?
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 10:16 PM
Response to Reply #88
92. AAR cannot fire Ed...
because he does not work for them!
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 09:56 PM
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89. *Sigh* Can't stand Ed, never could. My mom likes him
she says he's "middle of the road" and doesn't get all angry like Randi. I for one think Shultz is a hypocrite of the highest order, I stopped listening to him after the total ass kissing he gave to Lieberman the couple times he's interviewed him. So for me Ben, I say thank you for confirmation of what I already knew/suspected. I do find some of the posts here amusing. People claiming that Ben's post somehow insinuates that we must all march in lock step. If anything the posts saying that we should support Ed because he's bringing people over to our side are the ones wanting all Dems/Libs/Progs to march in lock step. As far as I'm concerned the 37-38% of people who still support Bush are too far gone and I really don't want these people on "our" side. One other thing, no one, and I mean no one goes from being a hard core rightie to being a hard core leftie. They may swing towards the center a little but anyone who claims they were a total conservative and became a total liberal is lying. It would take a complete core values change and sorry, but that just doesn't happen without a life changing experience.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 10:15 PM
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91. I've just a bit more respect for the opening poster. Another post
Edited on Sun Apr-16-06 10:19 PM by cryingshame
tipping us off with more "anonymous sources".

That's twice now withing about a week.

First time was some bullshit with inside knowledege about when the US will invade Iran or some stupid shit.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 10:20 PM
Response to Reply #91
95. Are you accusing me of lying?
If so, say it plainly.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 12:01 PM
Response to Reply #95
169. I don't think it's "lying" but passing on hearsay is more like it. n/t
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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 11:24 PM
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102. I listen to Ed every day
Edited on Sun Apr-16-06 11:25 PM by FredStembottom
and find him merely not very good with the talk radio host's most basic job of having his facts at hand (or in his head). He gets run over by his callers not because he is secretly right wing - but because he isn't prepared enough.

And yet, I listen because he gets the greatest guests and he is the best I have EVER heard at letting his guests speak completely. Full paragraphs. Complete ideas. And then his questions really reflect that he was actually listening. Kind of like we are all getting him better educated and better prepared with each show.

Randi - God knows I love her - a major talent - but there is no reason for any guest to come on her show. It's like they aren't there. And I am often desperately rooting for them to complete one. single. sentence. without interruption.

So who does the rant AND the guests well? Sam Seder. Rachel Maddow. God bless 'em!
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GregD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 11:29 PM
Response to Reply #102
104. I agree on all points
Randi doesn't know when to STF up. Sam and Rachel do an awesome job. And while we're at it, I freaking hate Jeannine's psycho babble. I get so weary of hearing her try to explain what's wrong with these murderers as if she was a shrink.
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 12:21 AM
Response to Reply #104
110. I enjoyed Janeine's Psych talk the first few times, but
dang, she says the same thing every night she's on, several times a night.

Because I podcast the show, I'm in the habit of clicking through her when she starts on a psych-rant. Doing that gives you an idea of the ratio of Janeine talk to Sam-and-guests-talk on the show.

Sometimes I have to click-wheel through an awful lot to get to hear somebody else.

But that's not the worst problem I have with the psych-talk. What I really hate about it is that it gives a psychological excuse for the really evil things bush and his criminal partners are doing to the world.

I don't want to give them that cover.

They are greedy, vicious, evil, blood-thirsty, racist, fascist, classist, hateful, lying, cheating (add your description here) warmongers. To make it worse, they ALL know better, and they know exactly what they are doing.

I don't give a fig if they are conflicted, or insecure, or juvenile (Oh, the irony!) or have damaged ids.

Everybody I know, including me, is conflicted, insecure, juvenile sometimes, and more and we aren't stealing a country.

They are criminals.

Quit making excuses for them, Janeine.
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sheelz Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 02:25 AM
Response to Reply #110
130. Janeine is not here.
I thought this topic was about Ed Schultz. Please take the "Janeine's Psych talk" to another thread. This is exactly what Re pubs do by changing the subject. :spank:
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 10:53 AM
Response to Reply #130
150. Are you a moderator?
If not, do not tell me not to post a response about a radio host in a thread about slamming a radio host.



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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 08:50 AM
Response to Reply #104
139. I appreciate Jeannine being there
.....it's great to have famous celebs there and all - but you are right, she has really tired me out on the psychology angle.

Not an overall crticism of her......just that she's gone to the well a few too many times on that one. :eyes:
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 03:45 PM
Response to Reply #102
220. I agree
...and I also think I learn more because Ed does not know everything before it's said. He does excellent interviews because of his listening talent and "down home" style. Call it corny, but it works for me...
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 11:36 PM
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106. If Ed's a phony (and I don't entirely rule that out), he does a LOT better
job broadcasting for our side to the "uncertain Repub voter" listener than most non phoneys, and I'm serious about that.

I doubt if many people who weren't already liberal or predisposed against Bush would listen to more than a minute or two of Randi Rhodes. Good for firing up discouraged liberals, but not suitable for "conversion" purposes.

People could turn to Ed's show and think, from the voice and sound, that they were listening to Rushbo for a minute, until they heard the anti shrubco sentiment and went "hey!"

It may or may not be pandering but I personally think it's a damn good thing that Ed makes reference to big sporting events like football and the NCAA tournament and outdoors stuff on his show. You certainly won't here that on the rest of AAR or even on Hannity or Rush usually.

It's a smart move.

If he's a phony, he's one that (mostly) espouses liberal views. Unlike, say, a phoney DU troll who mostly espouses poorly hidden Republican viewpoints.
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 01:17 AM
Response to Reply #106
115. I agree ~ I used to not like him, but he's been great lately, he was
completely behind Feingold's call for censuring Bush, eg. I think if we knew any of these people personally, we might not like them. But on the air, I think Ed is great.

Eg, I have a few friends who are wavering, but not yet ready for Randi, eg. I could tell them to listen to Ed and they would not be turned off. Or Laura Flanders.

As far as telling the troops to lay down their arms, if he did that he would last one show, if that. By staying on, they get to hear a different viewpoint for the first time in years. He had to fight hard to get on. They tried to keep him off in the beginning because of some of his statements about Bush.

I don't care much if there is infighting between Randi and Ed. I like both, and would rather they keep their differences off the air. Actually I have never heard Ed say anything negative about AAR hosts.

If he's not genuine, he's a super good actor, and I have no reason to believe that. What would be the point? He's definitely not helping Bush, and that's all I care about ~

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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 12:52 AM
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113. Jesus. How many times must we go in to this? I KNOW Ed. Insight...
For the umpteenth time...you MUST look at where he came from and WHY he switched sides.

Ed Schultz' entire LIFE revolves around football. His hard-on dream job was announcing NDSU Bison football games in Fargo, North Dakota.

His AM radio station switched allegiances, due to financial incentives, and picked up the rights to broadcast the football games of NDSU's bitter (and far superior) rival, UND. The University Of North Dakota (the only REAL college in the entire state of North Dakota)...up the road about 75 miles from where Ed lived.


Overnight...magically....Ed Schultz switched his allegiance. It was seemingly effortless for him.

I used to work with him when he was an underling at KXJB TV in Fargo. We called him MAD DOG because he was such a red in the face prick about ANYTHING!

Ed Schultz is a switch hitter. He plays for BOTH sides. Whatever side his bread is buttered on is the right side for him.

I NEVER bought his act and, after having worked with him, I can NOT believe that he is actually getting national exposure.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 01:19 AM
Response to Reply #113
116. Flesh this out a bit?
And can you tell me anything about his feud with the Forum newspaper and Bill Marcil?
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 01:34 AM
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118. Oh! Well, I moved away from Fargo several years ago....but I can tell you
that some of the folks at the Forum really despised him. But that's nothing new....pretty much EVERYONE despised him around town...for being such a blow-hard. You've heard the stories about him tearing out of the announcers's booth....looking to pick a fight with some college punks who threw a booze bottle at him. ( He has, recently, admitted to being ashamed of that particular act).



I just can't adequately explain what a HUGE betrayal it was for him to suddenly stop supporting his NDSU Bison and begin supporting the UND Sioux.
It sounds petty and stupid...but it really illustrates the story of this guy's philosophy. He goes for the buck. He saw a niche...for a "progressive" radio voice..and he went for it. Notice..he avoids the term LIBERAL like it was radioactive.

But The Fargo Forum had/has it's own share of blowhard repukes. It is hardly a bastion of democracy. And their web site is horrible. Like it's out of the 50's.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 01:35 AM
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119. It would be like me becoming a White Sox fan.
CUBS FOREVER.
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 01:45 AM
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123. That pretty much sums it up. Absolute betrayal. Loss of trust.
And, I should note, that I was on the side he switched TO. We were disgusted that he was suddenly a fan of our college, after so many years of bashing us.

He did run a ULTRA right-wing conservative radio show on KFGO for a year or two. His hero at the time was Rush Limbaugh.
Then, all of the sudden, (due to the staion being bought and sold) he decided to become a "Progressive".

He has NEVER adequately explained his complete overnight switch from being a foam at the mouth Repuke to being a "progressive". He always gives some crap line about buying a Winnebago and marrying his second wife.
BTW, his first wife, Maureen Zimmerman, was a nice woman. She was an anchor on WDAY TV for many years until the marriage busted up and she moved on to greener pastures.
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 02:32 AM
Response to Reply #113
131. so...
is my degree bullshit because it is from NDSU and not UND? Huh. Well, it got me into a really good graduate school, I guess they were fooled.
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 03:41 PM
Response to Reply #131
218. I was being sarcastic about the UND/NDSU thing.
C'mon..this is nothing new to you Bison.
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 01:42 AM
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121. Ed Schultz showed his true colors when he badmouthed Murtha
But even before that, he spent hours ragging on Howard Dean because Dean said he didn't believe we could win the war.

Schultz is nothing but a slightly left Rush Limbaugh.



FUCK YOU ED SCHULTZ for badmouthing Murtha, you fucking hypocrite.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 09:03 AM
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142. When He Ragged on Dean That Did It for Me
Even his argument for being so opposed to Dean was utter bullshit. I don't believe him either.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 02:12 PM
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196. Howard Dean will be on his show today. n/t
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sheelz Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 01:59 AM
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125. Are there transcripts of his shows?
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 06:56 AM
Response to Reply #125
133. Not that I can find. nt
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sheelz Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 05:46 PM
Response to Reply #133
243. Ben
Is his show archived anywhere?
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 06:50 PM
Response to Reply #243
249. Many of the shows are posted here
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:51 PM
Response to Reply #243
276. Not in any comprehensive or complete manner.
I offered them free daily archiving and podcasting years ago, but they declined.

I suspect that they want to have more control over what parts of their show get saved for posterity than automatic archiving can achieve.
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Pushed To The Left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 02:05 AM
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126. I listen to Ed Schultz, and he seems genuine to me
He rips into the right wing with a vengeance and gives lots of support to progressive candidates and causes. He and Randi Rhodes appeared to get along okay on Larry King Live as they delivered a tag-team beating to some Bush supporters. Progressives need to stop bashing their own!
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 12:23 PM
Response to Reply #126
178. Ever notice how he opens most of his show with RW talking points?
If the talking points are out there, that's what he opens with. Never misses 'em.
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 02:32 PM
Response to Reply #178
199. No, I haven't.
That doesn't jibe at all with what I hear on my drive into town every day.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 03:34 PM
Response to Reply #178
213. I think you're talking about Stephanie Miller
...it's all about exposing the lies for what they are - they are not afraid to challenge the righties and their childish talking points. I have no problem with their exposure of the right-wing talking point culture. Isn't that what they should be doing?
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kick_them_hard Donating Member (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 02:21 AM
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129. My two cents
Everyone has their preferences. I like Ed Shultz the best and try to listen to him ever day. I listen to RR to, but sometimes she bores me to tears when she goes on and on and on and on and keeps repeating herself over and over and over again...drives me nuts. I 'll take Ed any day. Besides, once someone told her to stop swearing it up so his kids could listen to her show..I dont think she listens.
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Drewskie Donating Member (465 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 02:36 AM
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132. he's an entertainer just like the rest of you talk radio guys...
but he was smart enough to figure out how to make money. you are so fucking jealous Guy...
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 06:59 AM
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134. Most sincere Liberal talk tadio folks are not entertainers, Dude.
Edited on Mon Apr-17-06 07:12 AM by benburch
Most of the ones I know do that because they hope to make a change in the body politic, not their Keough balances, Man.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:12 AM
Response to Reply #132
135. While quite as cynical as you, I think you're on to something.
What pass for "core values" in a lot of talkshow hosts is probably a good deal squishier than any of us--right or left-leaning--would care to admit.

Note I said "a lot" and not "most". I just suspect that there are plenty who don't really care one way or another, politically; they're just doing a show and know which buttons to push, literally and figuratively.
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 11:04 AM
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152. Who is Guy?
Thanks.
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zippy890 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 08:50 AM
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140. Thanks for the background - I suspected he's in it for the $$$
He seems to me more than anything an opportunist.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 08:57 AM
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141. Again, already? Jeepers
can't we all just get along.

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 09:30 AM
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144. Flame me but I don't care
Driving back from Crawford yesterday, I saw a billboard for Michael Savage and a billboard for Rush. They have a lock on talk radio. I saw no billboards for Randi or Ed or Al or even Air America.

So I will take every progressive and liberal voice we can get.

I met Ed in August at Camp Casey and I liked him. I like Randi Rhodes too. Who cares if they come from different places? They speak truth to power.

Why stir this crap up? Every rw lurker reading this is drooling over your OP. I can hear them now - "The lefties are fighting!"

You are entitled to your opinion of course and you are also free to avoid listening to Ed and to not read the threads discussing him. I will keep listening to him and to Randi. And boy am I ever grateful we have both of them.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 10:30 AM
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145. Why?
Because I think it is very important to support those people who are actually sincere, and to avoid supporting those who are simply "willing, for the shilling."
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 11:21 AM
Response to Reply #145
153. Even if it is just for their shilling,
they are getting our message out. Here's how I look at it from here in red state hell - I can either listen to Rush or Ed Schultz or sports talk radio.

I will go with Ed.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 10:50 AM
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148. Great post! n/t
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 11:37 AM
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156. Thank you
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 10:42 AM
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146. this DU'er can't stand him
give me thom hartmann any day...
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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 10:55 AM
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151. Randi is the one I don't like.
Ed Schultz goes on the air with the attitude of trying to fix the problems we have now. Randi, although correct on the current state of affairs, doesn't do that and her show is a bit of a drag.

Mind you, this is the impression I've gotten so far on both shows.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 11:39 AM
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158. Good point
Randi does more complaining. Ed has more (and better) guests.
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tibbiit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 11:27 AM
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155. I just think its unfortunate that you
are so focused on ed schultz and not the right wing hate mongers who have had the air waves for 20 years.
we are supposed to be a big tent.
ed schultz speaks to many americans and helps open eyes to our side.
step back and see what harm you do by going after people on our own side, its nuts!
tib
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #155
157. So focussed?
My second post on him in four years?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 11:41 AM
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159. Why post negative about him at all?
Like I said, I would rather listen to Ed than Rush. For some people, that is the choice. Who would you rather they choose - Ed or Rush?
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 12:35 PM
Response to Reply #159
182. I'd listen to silence were that my choice.
But that is just me.

Why "go negative"? Because he did first, on Mike Newcomb's show. He went negative against the LISTENERS of the Phoenix AAR station.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 01:19 PM
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188. Oh come on
You would really not listen at all? You - aren't you a radio guy?

What we need to be fighting here is the battle to get more progressive radio on our airwaves all over the country. I have to subscribe to satellite radio to hear anything other than Rush, O'Reilly, Hannity or sports talk. No way will Air America ever broadcast here in the Kansas bible belt. But Sean's hate and Rush's drug induced stupor and Bill's lies are somehow okay for this market? THAT is the problem, not Ed Schultz. I would think I had died and gone to heaven if Ed Schultz was on the air here.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 01:48 PM
Response to Reply #188
190. I am.
Why do you think I am fostering a new Network? Because I want something worth listening to?

That's also why I run radio archives, so people who have no good listening choices can listen to real, authentic, honest liberals and progressives.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 11:47 AM
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160. Yes.. we must attack the #1 liberal radio personality with rumors.
Because we just cannot stand to ever have power in D.C. again. It just blows me away to see people attack Ed Schultz, when he is the ONE person that is reuniting moderates with the Democratic Party. He is the ONLY progressive voice being beamed out to Armed Services Radio overseas.. When he gets all bubba-like, talking about fishing and sports, I can see the troops overseas feeling connected to back home for once... Ed is a treasure for us, regardless of what someone's personal bias might want us to believe. He has converted more republicans than anyone out there. There are other great personalities on AAR, but he is the one that is delivering the goods, and for good reason.. America IS more conservative than it has been in decades, and personalities like Randi's don't appeal to anyone other than those that are firmly in our camp, so to speak. She's a 'preaching to the choir' type. I can't stomach Randi's program, I've tried, because some people here like her.. but she NEVER listens to her callers, she has to get a funny line in and launch a tirade. There are others on AAR that I find much more interesting and informative. Thom Hartman is my other favorite. He's low key and LISTENS to his callers, and provides a ton of good info.

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podnoi Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 03:17 PM
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204. Liberal, come on!
We can disagree with his intentions and approach. But the guy is not a liberal. Nor is he a serious progressive, because he attacks the symptoms but embraces the underlying conditions that bring it about.

I used to listen to the guy all the time. But I began to see through him. He let's things slip from time to time. It is terribly obvious, that just like Limbaugh, he sees this as an opportunity to get rich first. my opinion is the politics are secondary, and shallow.

I think he saw an opportunity with the rise of the Public's anger and change of tides, saw that there was little competition in the progressive sphere, and made his "change" in order to make the money. If you listen to his discussions with the host in Arizona you hear pure greed and ego. Same thing that runs the Republican side of things. He is the voice of "Kinder Gentler" propaganda, and we know where that ultimately gets us.
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LuCifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 11:49 AM
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161. You know what pisses me off?!
I posted stuff like this a year or 2 ago, and I got NOTHING but flamed. Gee thanks for not listening to me. Ya know what, from now on, whenever I got something like this, I don't think I'll waste my fucking time posting it here, I'll just wait until one of the DU "in" people post it a year or 2 later so that it's "ok".
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 11:53 AM
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164. Ed Schultz looks and sounds like Rush Limpballs
I remember seeing him on CSpan's Washington Journal, probably right after this event you mention took place. I did not believe he was a Dem then, and I never listen to his show, but plenty of DUers keep us informed on his antics. I have also heard Randi tell her perception of this meeting in DC.

Serves Tom Daschle right for making deals with the devil.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #164
171. If you don't listen to his show, why are you commenting on him?
I mean.. .you don't listen to his show, how can you know what he's really like? "Looks like Rush Limpballs"?? Wow.. judging people by their looks.. very un-liberal of you. You should check out his show, he's got a great way with his guests, and has no problem attracting big names on the show repeatedly. Randi Rhodes, I've listened to her many times, and frankly.. there is someone who spends way too much time telling people how wonderful and funny she is... and never listening to her guests or callers. Someone said she was a "major talent", but wouldn't a major talent in radio mean that you listened to your callers and guests?
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 03:41 PM
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217. I don't listen to any talk radio
Randi is to screechy. She told that story on CSpan's Q &A.

I have heard Schultz talk, he sounds like a blowhard. And whether I listen to his show or not, I have a right to my opinion.

Maybe I shouldn't have said looks like Rush, because honestly all I know is Rush used to be a "big" boy. But his attitude when he was on CSpan had the same tone as the little I have heard from Rush in clips, etc.

Big Ed also did not like Howard Dean much either, if I remember right.
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 02:25 PM
Response to Reply #164
198. Schultz sounds just like Rush Limbaugh? How come I can tell which
is which so easily?

To me, that's like saying The Beatles sound just like Herman's Hermits. They were both sixties British Bands, but to me they sound nothing alike.

Both Schultz and Limbaugh have stentorian radio voices, but Limbaugh has begun sounding like the parodies Jim Ward and Al Franken do of him. He's a caricature of himself!

Schultz sounds like commercial radio people have always sounded. They don't stutter, say "er, ah, um, uh," like so many of my other favorites do. They don't speak conversationally, like NPR and several AAR hosts do. They speak like announcers - - to be heard.

Otherwise, I don't see the similarities between Schultz and Limbaugh's styles.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 08:15 PM
Response to Reply #164
285. What a stupid, ignorant thing to say.
Edited on Mon Apr-17-06 08:15 PM by Clarkie1
Of course how would you know any different, since you never listen to his show?
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NancyG Donating Member (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 11:58 AM
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167. It's kinda like being able to burn the flag...
because we are (have been) a free country, we are free to burn the symbol of it and not get in trouble.

Because we are liberals, we are free to trash our own.

Too bad. Circular firing squad and all that.

San Francisco's local AAR affiliate is owned by Clear Channel. Imagine that. And one of The Quake's in-house shows is Queer Channel (hadn't realized it rhymed with Clear Channel until now), a show they increased time for.

The Quake carries Big Ed, Randi, Mike, Janeane, Al, Stephanie. Varied voices make us strong. I just wish we put our energies into winning the House and Senate. Not infighting. I guess if we all got along, we'd look like Republicans.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 12:03 PM
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170. "Varied voices make us strong."
That bears repeating!

Varied voices make us strong.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #167
228. "Varied voices make us strong."
Amen sister, AMEN!
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 12:18 PM
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176. Not everyone under our big tent is way left. He's more centrist - so what?
By the way, he was not a dyed in the wool pubbie as recently as you say. His wife converted him to reality quite some time ago. If ya wanna go fishing in their pond, he's a good man to do it. He's more moderate than me, but hell if I want everyone to think the same way as me.
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Thtwudbeme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 12:19 PM
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177. I am pretty well stunned at what DU has/is becoming. Why are there
so many posts attacking BenBurch for posting this?

Think, people, think.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 12:24 PM
Response to Reply #177
179. Maybe people are tired of purists trying to dictate
who is and is not a Democrat. I know I have had enough of it.
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Thtwudbeme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #179
180. umm. I think this post was an attempt to expose someone who
appears to be a wolf in sheep's clothing.

"Dictate" is a pretty strong word that in this case would only work on a fairly feeble minded person. I doubt very much BenBurch has the extraordinary ability to change your radio station at will.

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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 12:40 PM
Response to Reply #180
184. He's not a wolf in sheeps clothing, he's just not left enough for
some DU'rs I guess.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #179
226. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly.
This "purity test" bullcrap is NOT what Democrats are supposed to be about.

I don't like it - I don't like it at all!

:banghead:
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 01:58 PM
Response to Reply #177
194. Um... because he is attacking someone who SUPPORTS DEMOCRATS?
With material that seems to be rather outdated?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 12:40 PM
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183. Not only is he an imposter, but he sounds just like that druggie
rushlimpdick. Could barely stand him, now that he's been truly exposed for what he is, he is finished.
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TheUnspeakable Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 02:20 PM
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197. Here's the point so many are overlooking...
(not you, Ben) he is an official mouthpiece for the Dems!! Aren't you disgusted when you think about how Rush is an official mouthpiece for the Reps? It's really the same hypocrisy. So you can love him or hate him, listen or don't, but always keep that in mind. He'll probably do a lot more good than harm, but he isn't "real"
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 02:40 PM
Response to Reply #197
200. ". . . he is an official mouthpiece for the Dems!!"
Um, didn't he attack Howard Dean?

That's what I read upthread several times, anyway.
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TheUnspeakable Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 02:45 PM
Response to Reply #200
202. I heard the story in the original post...
from Randi on her show a while back. Eddie took the deal to be the mouthpiece (and the money)-Randi refused. I can't explain why he attacked Howard- maybe his "inner voice" came out!
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podnoi Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 03:21 PM
Response to Reply #200
207. Yes, when he attacked Dean my eyes were opened
It was pure party politics and was coming straight from his "owners". This "centrist" democrat sees through the guy. His type just buries the symptoms but continues the same core stratagies as the enemy. It is not genuine change.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 03:54 PM
Response to Reply #207
224. He had Dean on his show today!!!!
Some people can forgive and forget and move on - perhaps we all could learn something from Ed.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 03:42 PM
Response to Reply #197
219. "but he isn't "real""
prove it.

Prove that he is an "official" spokesman for the Democratic party. he gets the same people for interviews as Al & others - why do you hate Democrats anyway?
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 04:16 PM
Response to Reply #219
230. he is real i think, being converted through marriage to a social activist
in the Fargo area. That's the story anyway and it sounds plausible. And yes, the limbaugh-like ego and bluster came along with the conversion to a centrist democrat. And he is a Dem mouthpiece for sure, as orthodox a Dem as you can possibly be. So he matches up well that way with about 70% of the people here.
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podnoi Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 03:12 PM
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203. I am one of those "center" democrats, but I don't like Eddie
It is not simply the conservative ideology that is killing this nation. It is hypocricy, greed, and being in bed (and favoring) with the rich (over the middle and poor). I used to listen to Eddie quite often. But now I see in him the same compromising and slightly disingenious backbone that is destroying this country.

He has given up his "conservative" politics, but his *mind* still works just like a republican/fascist. We should already understand, from the 60's and 70's, that surface change does not make true change.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 03:33 PM
Response to Reply #203
211. Are we going to have a purity test to be a Democrat?
...this whole discussion is making me feel rather ill.
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Thtwudbeme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 04:19 PM
Response to Reply #211
232. Interesting...there is a man or woman (I don't know the poster) who has
backed up every word of BenBurch's post.

Why won't very many people respond to him?

And why are you on this thread if the discussion is "making you ill?" Are you the hardy type that wants to prove your strenght by downing Rolaids and continuing, or are you really trying to make a point with propagandist type one liners about your "illness?"
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 04:28 PM
Response to Reply #232
233. lol - well, I already knew what side you were on based on your posts
What can I say, I decided yesterday that I was going to let this thread pass after making a few comments yesterday, then it caught my attention again today, so i decided to be a glutton for punishment and "go for it".

I like Ed and I can't say that I've scoured every post to look for more criticism of him. I'm listening to and enjoying him now.

He criticized Dean and today he had Dean on his show. I like him - he can scrap with a person one day, be agreeing with them the next. I'm like that! The best part of fighting with someone is making up afterward :hug:
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Thtwudbeme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 04:36 PM
Response to Reply #233
235. The "side" I am on
I think it's interesting that on DU lately that there are so many "attack" posts when certain issues are called into question.

It's also the same one or two line emotional crap...."I LOVE ****** What is this post yada yada yada." Short, emotional snarky comments that reflect very right wing ideology.

This OP is suggesting that this radio show host is a paid right wing shill who is only verbal about liberal issues because that's where the money is at his particular station and/or network. You bet that is something that concerns me...let him get enough "I love this guy" fans...such as yourself...and then let him slowly start dragging people to the right.

Think about it.

It's happening on the radio, and it's happening on DU.

Scary times; scary propaganda.

But, don't worry about it dear...just turn up the volume...lalalalalalalala...you don't need to hear what I think.

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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #235
238. Emotional snarky comments?????
I'm not speaking with you any more. I've posted at least ten posts on this thread that MORE than flesh out my position on Ed - why don't you go look for yourself.

""I love this guy" fans...such as yourself"

What a self-serving and assinine comment. You're writing off a life long democrat because he likes a particular radio talk show host?

:eyes:

I am now realizing who the real snarky and scary people are - remember, we who support Ed did not start this post, it was a person who is promoting a competing radio talk show format/network. I think you should be the one questioning the motives of the O/P.

YOU think about it.

:banghead:
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Thtwudbeme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 04:55 PM
Response to Reply #238
239. I have "known" the OP for a long time
wanna see an example of a short snarky emotional comment?


"What a self-serving and assinine comment. You're writing off a life long democrat because he likes a particular radio talk show host?"

I haven't a clue as to who you are, nor why you are emotional enough to whack your little red cyber head into a brick wall.






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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 05:39 PM
Response to Reply #239
241. "I have "known" the OP for a long time"
Now who could have guessed :eyes:

Now that's snarky :P
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Thtwudbeme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 05:44 PM
Response to Reply #241
242. Why in the world did you "name" yourself after a character who prided
himself on logic?

I HAVE known BenBurch almost as long as he has been on DU; we have exchanged PM's...and I personally count a client of his as a friend of mine.

How is that "snarky?"

THIS is snarky and emotional:

"What a self-serving and assinine comment."

There is no "fact" in that...it's just your opinion.

As opposed to:

"I have "known" the OP for a long time.

Do you, can you possibly see the difference?

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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 06:00 PM
Response to Reply #242
245. Keep supporting your "buddy" who is COMPETING with ED SHULTZ
It's called a CONFLICT OF INTEREST and I'm on to it.
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Thtwudbeme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 06:05 PM
Response to Reply #245
247. Oh horseshit
Fucking ridiculous goddamned post from the bowels of hell.

I don't see Hannity, Rush, and those other stupid talk show morons accusing each other of competition.

What the hell kind of bullshit are you making up now.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 06:27 PM
Response to Reply #247
248. spam anyone?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Want to *hear* why I really cannot stand Ed Schultz?




Don't give this man any more attention. He is a total FAKE.

-Ben Burch
White Rose Society
(Where we do "bake sale radio")


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Sick of Big Ed? Go to small eddie dot com!

http://smalleddie.com /
small eddie
Ed Schultz Aint Liberal

-Ben Burch

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Air America is NOT the only Liberal/Progressive radio network!

There is a new network!

http://www.headonradionetwork.com

I am a corporate officer and part-owner, too!

-Ben Burch

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Time now for Head On with Bob Kincaid!

Be there or be square!

http://www.WhiteRoseSociety.org/Kincaid.html

-Ben Burch


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

John Laesch tomorrow (Good Friday) on The Bob Kincaid Show

Hey, folks!

My good friend, Bob Kincaid will be interviewing 14th district Congressional Candidate John Laesch ( http://www.john06.com / ) tomorrow evening.

-Ben Burch

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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:09 PM
Response to Reply #248
251. OK, so you don't want any other Liberal media than Eddie?
I work about 16 hours a day making a place for Liberal and Progressives talk show hosts, that is REAL ones, to be able to present their shows to the public.

I have fostered shows.

I have given money to show hosts so they could EAT.

I've given them money so they could bury loved ones.

I have bought them computers.

I've given money to radiopower.org, which I ought to view as a competitor.

I've driven across half the country so that I could wire their studios.

I spent most of a week with little sleep so we could remote broadcast from Camp Casey in Crawford.

I've spent over $20,000 in the last year keeping all this running.

AND I have been active in local Democratic politics.

I've been a pollwatcher.

I've been a hand-card passer.

I've put together literature.

I've worked booths at flea markets.

I've canvassed neighborhoods.

And now, Dog help me, I am an appointed Precinct Committeeman.

And you DARE question my motives?

What have YOU done for our cause?

How much time do you spend every day for either Liberal Media or Liberal Politics.

How much of your money has gone to this?

How many nights have you gotten zero sleep making all this happen.

You got a lot of nerve, buddy. A LOT.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:16 PM
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #254
259. There are some good people left on DU...
I know that. You are one of them.

But I think it has been totally infiltrated with conspiracy theory nutjobs and right wing moles.

Make me ill.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:28 PM
Response to Reply #259
262. Are you implying that I am a conspiracy theory nutjob or right wing mole?
...just askin?

You people sure are taking this little attack thread - that you started BTW - very seriously...
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:30 PM
Response to Reply #262
264. Did I say your name?
Nope.

Why so touchy?
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #264
266. hehe - very tricky but this sub-thread is only here because of me
:D
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:34 PM
Response to Reply #266
267. Do you see yourself as either of those things, then? nt
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:43 PM
Response to Reply #267
270. Yes, I'm a, what did you say a "conspiracy theory nut job and RW mole"
Isn't everyone here on DU? :rofl:

The timing of your comments was impeccable - as usual...
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:47 PM
Response to Reply #270
272. Well, I don't see you as either.
I see you as somebody who is threatened by somebody expressing honest opinions. There is a big difference. Why are you so touchy?
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:48 PM
Response to Reply #272
273. I'm merely opposing your opinion - my duty as a liberal
why are you suddenly paying attention to my posts?

why do you care?

I'm not attacking anyone...
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:19 PM
Response to Reply #251
256. It sounds to me like you are the one trying to narrow the horizons
of talk radio, with this silly little vendetta.

To tell the truth, I don't care much for Ed *or* for Randi, who treats her callers and guests with no respect whatsoever. And i certainly do not doubt all the good things you have done. I am simply tired of people presuming to declare that so-and-so is or is not an authentic Democrat.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #256
260. "...declare that so-and-so is or is not an authentic Democrat."
Amen - what is with this seeming "purity test" crap anyway?

Who is perfect anyway?
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:44 PM
Response to Reply #260
271. I'm not entitled to express my opinion?
That's all I am doing. Why does that offend and threaten you so?

And you haven't answered the questions; What do YOU give back to this process? You should have an answer to that if you think I should have no right to express my opinion and no right to choose who to support with my efforts.

Brave enough to answer in detail?
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:51 PM
Response to Reply #271
274. Now it's the "I'm being persecuted" defense?
I'm merely commenting to others in this post.

Then your buddy got into the action.

Now you're here harassing me to give you some kind of answers to questions - as if I owe you an explanation for daring to oppose the Ed haters. It's a free world my friend.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:59 PM
Response to Reply #274
278. No, you questioned my motives.
Which goes far beyond opposing my point of view.

And you accuse me of a vendetta for simply expressing an opinion?

You accuse me of a pattern for two threads EVER?

Sorry, but that's not right.

And I believe that I know why you cannot answer my questions; YOU DO NOTHING for this cause of ours other than post here on DU, isn't that right?

And speaking of which I have audio to edit and some streaming mountpoints to reconfigure, and so I'll abandon this thread to you. Feel free to vilify me in my absence.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 08:06 PM
Response to Reply #278
279. Oh dear - yep, I'm a vilifying DO NOTHING for the cause liberal DUer
You're a genuine hero and I'm a DO NOTHING. :rofl:

I've not vilified you in any way - you have done that to yourself. There are those that might think you have gotten too big for your britches (or are the burches? :) ), but not me. You're a legend to me :yourock:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:28 PM
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261. Deleted message
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:31 PM
Response to Reply #261
265. Why do you hate Ed Shultz so much?
...as far as the truth in your post - it's fine and dandy - but this pattern of attacking Ed Shultz as I documented is not becomming of you - you're better than that - or so I thought...
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:37 PM
Response to Reply #265
269. Two threads is a pattern?
The first was self-explanatory; What Ed did on that show was terrible.

This one was at the request of a friend.

And I don't hate him at all! I simply can't stand listening to him, and I think he is a mercenary. All the rest is YOUR projection.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:35 PM
Response to Reply #261
268. Yes, that's it. I'm afraid of the truth...
You have found me out. I am sitting here trembling, a wet spot spreading across the front of my pants, terrified that the world will find out the truth about a spat between two egomaniacal blowhards.

Actually, as I said before, I'm just tired of the purity crap. It reminds me too much of the fundamentalist church in which I grew up.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:09 PM
Response to Reply #248
252. I like my spam fried with a pineapple ring and a cherry on top!
Thanks!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:12 PM
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253. Deleted message
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:16 PM
Response to Reply #253
255. What on earth are you raving about?
A childish argument over obscure radio personalities will determine whether I can drive to the hospital? Do you have any idea of how genuinely lunatic that post sounds?

You really need to get away from the computer for a while and calm down.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:22 PM
Response to Reply #255
257. Deleted before I could read it.
The double team is prolly gonna get this post locked...
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #257
258. Well, I didn't alert on it.
That post was so utterly deranged that it had a bizarre sort of beauty about it. I would not have seen it deleted for anything.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:29 PM
Response to Reply #258
263. I really enjoy those type of posts too...
:(

I'm sorry I missed it...
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:51 PM
Response to Original message
275. larisa, part 3
gday ben - part 3 of my larisa interview is up - new thread here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
cheers
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:53 PM
Response to Reply #275
277. Thanks so much!
And thanks for interviewing Larisa.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 08:12 PM
Response to Original message
283. "condition on anonymity " - Your souce is worthless
What a travesty to have such crap posted on DU.

Ed Schulz is doing a lot on his station to advance Democratic causes. I guess some people don't like that, or just don't like Ed for whatever reason. Some people will stoop really low to stab others in the back.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 10:02 PM
Response to Reply #283
301. I'll be sure to tell hir.
Edited on Mon Apr-17-06 10:03 PM by benburch
I don't think (s)he thinks (s)he is worthless...
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sheelz Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 11:11 PM
Response to Reply #301
307. Please personally
thank him or her for me. And thank you Ben! :thumbsup: :patriot:
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Jigarotta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 09:03 PM
Response to Original message
291. geeze, ben. so you don't like the guy...
so fricken What?
make a post for someone much unlikeable. There are Many....
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 09:08 PM
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293. Republicans don't make good progressives.
Figured that'd be common knowledge by now.
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sheelz Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 09:56 PM
Response to Reply #293
300. Talk about overstating the obvious!
Edited on Mon Apr-17-06 10:07 PM by sheelz
:rofl: :rofl:
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 09:36 PM
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296. The proof is always in the pudding. So far as I can see Ed is okay
and is doing the party good.

We may have a case of sour grapes? :shrug:
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 09:44 PM
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298. I don't care for Ed Schulz but I can't take this as fact without solid
proof. :shrug:

I would love for my suspicions to be true, but this sounds too "off".
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 10:11 PM
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303. I trust the source implicitly.
Sorry I cannot name my source. Perhaps some day I will be able to.
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309. Locking....
This has become inflammatory.
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