Cynthia McKinney is an uppity black woman who got what she deserved

[LostinVA]

How DARE she think she can rise above her place and take a place at the table with the Big Boys. Just because she's a House negro doesn't mean a damn thing. We let her in here, we can send her back to the fields with a snap of our fingers. Who has the power here? We do! I mean, HOW DARE SHE?

on edit: sarcasm added




:sarcasm:

[wakeme2008]

1. You forgot

:sarcasm:

[LostinVA]

19. I was really hoping everyone on here would know me well enough

to know that... but you're right!

[JStuart]

2. lol...

thought I logged onto freerepublic.com there for a sec, haha

[Name removed]

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[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

3. Little Over The Top Dramatic Wouldn't You Say?

It is stuff like this that makes us look EXTREMELY silly in my opinion.

[DrunkenMaster]

7. so it is ridiculous to think race is an issue

in the way Americans view Rep. McKinney? Uhuh, right. Waaaay too absurd to mention. You sure got that one.

[danalytical]

9. agreed

You have absolutely nothing to show McKinney was subjected to racism. This is just as bad as when someone like Tom DeLay goes around saying he is under political attack because he fights for "Christian" values. It's over the top absurd.

[rodeodance]

16. I have never been a black women. I wonder how my background wound

wonder into my actions.

[danalytical]

28. I can agree with that

Different backgrounds and experiences have the ability to shape your personality, your actions, and even your place in life. Ever see a rich kid grow up to be a working class factory worker? But that doesn;t mean an irresponsible action can be excused away simply by claiming racial profiling. Labeling someone a racisty is a serious and damaging charge. If you assault someone and then claim in your defense that you were only stopped because you rare a certain color, creed, or sex, that still doesn't chang ethe fact that you assaulted someone. Whether this cop is a racist or not, she still didn't have her lapel ID pinned to her. It's his job to stop people without ID from using the congressional entrance.

[Misunderestimator]

46. Nah.. *we* look silly when we say that we look silly for defending someone

like Cynthia McKinney. Now THAT looks EXTREMELY silly.

[philosophie_en_rose]

4. Real Liberals Believe the Police Are ALWAYS Right!

:silly:

If you give a liberal the benefit of the doubt, you're no better than a Bush-loving Freeper! :eyes:

[jus_the_facts]

5. Whoa....we said pretty much the same thing almost at the same time....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2550562&mesg_id=2550576

:hi:

[LostinVA]

21. OMG

[timber84]

6. What's this got to do with anything?

[lastliberalintexas]

8. By all means, let's try her before we hang her

If the innocent until proven guilty concept is treated with such disdain on a liberal message board, I can understand why the general public feels such ambivalence towards our CJ system.

[mondo joe]

10. Does the presumpion of innocence also extend

to the officer?

And then, does it also extend to Republicans?

[BooScout]

15. Oh yes......

Tom is innocent until proven guilty.:P

[lastliberalintexas]

18. Actually he is

Of course in his situation, the prosecution is at a much more advanced stage, since indictments have been handed down and some pre-trial proceedings have occurred. But even he is still just an ALLEGED criminal.

[lastliberalintexas]

17. Why yes it does

Novel concept that the law is supposed to apply to everyone, isn't it? And I say supposed to because I certainly do not doubt that wealthier people (regardless of race) have access to better lawyers, and that poor people (regardless of race) do actually get screwed by the system all the time.

If you've seen my admittedly limited posts on this subject, you'll see that I've not condemned either party, except for one little issue. I worked in DC and have no doubt whatsoever that this Capitol Cop *should* have known who she was, as they are supposed to know the Congresscritters and Senators by sight. And that is the only condemnation I have posted. Otherwise, I don't know enough facts to defend or condemn either party.

[mondo joe]

20. Great - because of McKinney has been deemed guilty on DU,

then the officer certainly has as well.

In this case I certainly think far too little is known to determine that either is criminally wrong in some way.

But not a day doesn't go by that some Republican isn't deemed guilty here. And that's par for the course for message boards.

The presumption of innocence is a tremendously important judicial principle. But in fact, its application is intended for the courts, not personal speculation. If we couldn't BELIEVE someone is guilty, we'd never have any accused to stand trial.

[lastliberalintexas]

30. Yes, but at the same time a conviction in the court of public opinion

can be just as damaging as a real conviction, a la Richard Jewel. Even the Eric Rudolph thing bothered me, especially when I heard otherwise good liberals saying things like "He wouldn't be running if he didn't do it." That's just crazy to me.

And really, the concept of presumed innocence means nothing if the court of public opinion doesn't follow that principle as well. How do we accomplish that, given our free press issues and the right of every individual to believe as they see fit? I don't know, except to gently remind people that the concept must be used in our personal lives if it is to mean anything within the court system.

[mondo joe]

34. It's true - but there's little to be done about it.

People will always speculate and share opinions.

And I think you're dead wrong that the presumption of innocence is meaningless in the face of the court of public opinion. If it were so, we shuold just eliminate freedom of the press because the two would never reconcile.

We can all speculate - but I'll say that we should do our very best to limit factual statements to the known facts, and not confuse those facts with our feelings.

[Tsiyu]

29. Are you worried about all those poor republicans?

It seem to me they are getting more than the benefit of the doubt as it is. C'mon, Cheney can cuss in the Senate? He can shoot people?

Frist can engage in insider trading? Bush can lie us into a war and kill thousands? He can ignore Katrina victims and the press excuse it? He can crap on the Constitution - the LAW OF THE LAND - and get a free pass? Presumption of innocence, indeed!

As for the cop, he should be a well-trained individual who would not get in a scuffle like this with a Congressperson. If this isn't a setup, he's a bumbling idiot.

[mondo joe]

35. No, not at all. If you read my posts you'll see that I've argued

in favor of our right to discuss these and other cases.

[timber84]

11. agree

especially concernig a certain lacrosse team

[LostinVA]

22. Ummm... it's satire -- I think Rep. McKinney is being attacked

[lastliberalintexas]

24. Sorry- I know your post was

:)

[LostinVA]

26. Okay! Was getting worrried! I added the sarcasm icon on edit

[nonews]

12. She needs to cool it!

if for the only reason, if she is convicted of a felony, she will not get her pension. The pension for Reps/Senators is very good. I think it is their full salary even if they only serve for one term. Anyone out there know the rules?

[LostinVA]

23. She is NOT going to be convicted of anything, let alone a felony

DC will riot, and that damned tape is not going to show Rep. McKinney assaulted an officer... maybe a "poke," but that's it.

[Misunderestimator]

47. Yes, I'm sure all she cares about is her pension.

Thank god for people who defend their rights despite worries like that.

[nonews]

50. pension

probably about $165,000 per year. That is something to be concerned about. This stupid incedent is just not worth it. Even Pelosi thinks it's over the top.

[Misunderestimator]

51. How do you know that it's a "stupid" incident. I would expect someone

of her integrity wouldn't be doing this just to be "stupid" and I choose not to judge her as "stupid" until I know the facts. To hold out her pension as a reason not to do something is stupid.

[nonews]

52. not a big deal..

she has made too big a deal about this. That is my point. You hit a police officer, that is a felony---end of story!

[Misunderestimator]

53. But you don't know the details of what is being reported as "hitting"

If a police officer harrasses me, touches me inappropriately, etc., I can see myself pushing him/her away. That could be construed as hitting a police officer, but would have simply been a common human protective impulse.

The point is that you don't know the facts around it.

[nonews]

54. cell phone

she hit him with her cell phone, they have three other witnesses and a tape to the incident

[AllieB]

56. Hi nonews

"They have three other witnesses and a tape to the incident"

Could you provide a link to that? So far we've only heard the word of the police-who weren't even at the scene.

[nonews]

57. on CNN...

I will try to find more conclusive information for you. Do you want me to send it to you via e-mail. Let me know. thanks

[Misunderestimator]

59. How about a post right here, so that we can all enjoy it?

[nonews]

60. one from Atlanta

http://www.11alive.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=77991
just found this on the web site, it does mention Drudge though, so we need to be careful--still working on it.

[nonews]

62. link from "The Hill"

I do not know anything about this publication--it looks objective to me:
http://www.thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/032906/news7.html

[nonews]

63. here is a good page...

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2006/03/last_call_mckin.html#comments

please read some of the posted comments too.

[Misunderestimator]

64. "Witnesses" say...

"Witnesses say McKinney pulled her arm away, and with her cell phone in hand, punched the officer in the chest."

Doesn't say, everyone who saw it said this... and I highly doubt all "witnesses" who saw it said that she "punched" the officer. I believe this is a bit of creative license at work. If someone grabs my arm, my reaction might be to pull it away and make some sort of innocent swing with my other arm (that had a cell phone in it). Doesn't prove a thing to me.

The alleged quote from whoever wrote this (supposedly McKinney, though I doubt it) at the bottom of the article portrays a completely different story:

The writer details the incident, saying, "I was rushing to my meeting when a white police officer yelled to me. He approached me, bodyblocked me, physically touching me. I used my arm to get him off of me. I told him not to touch me several times. He asked for my ID and I showed it to him. He then let me go and I proceeded to my meeting and I assume that the Police Officer resumed his duties. I have counseled with the Sergeant-at-Arms and Acting Assistant Chief Thompson several times before and counseled with them again on today's incident. I offered also to counsel with the offending police officer."

So why jump to believing the officer and the so-called "witnesses" cited? Why not assume that we just don't know the facts yet?

[nonews]

65. one article....

on another site, it was stated that McKinney was "trouble" and that they had a picture of her due to that fact. She has done this before. My guess is that she was probably set up for this incident and she fell into the trap. Both parties ar to blame.

[Misunderestimator]

67. She's "trouble" Oh... in that case... Damn her for being so uppity!!

:rofl: :eyes:

[AllieB]

68. "Witnesses Say" = Fox News' "Some People Say"

In other words, it's basically heresay.

[Misunderestimator]

58. Perhaps she accidentally did... or pushed against him with her phone...

or used it to protect herself... we don't know.

[nonews]

66. Atlanta Journal Constitution article...

http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/stories/0404edmckinney.html

This is from her home district.

[Misunderestimator]

69. Her "ARROGANCE" crosses the line! ROFL!!

Oh wow... you are soooo proving the point of the OP!

Holy shit... "Arrogance" or "Arrogant" three times in the article opinion piece.. and "haughty" and "self-important" and "ego"... oh no... no bias at all in that article opinion piece! :rofl:

[lukasahero]

70. Actually, that's an Atlanta Journal Constitution "Opinion"

Perhaps you should have considered reading the news article instead?

There is no evidence on tape that we know of at this time:

"A security video shows McKinney entering the building and moving around the metal detector and X-ray machine.

It does not show her encounter with the police officer, according to officials familiar with it."

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/dekalb/stories/0404metmckinney.html

It's also clear that we don't know all the facts as the "witnesses" have different stories (opinion) and the article makes clear that whether or not she "hit" him with her cell phone is up for debate.

[nonews]

71. defend McKinney?

anyone defending her actions will come to admit their mistakes. Admit it, McKinney is not good for the Democratic Party.

[Catherine Vincent]

13. I am listening at a rebroadcast of cspan's Saturday open phones

regarding Cynthia McKinney. Hard to believe this was a topic of discussion but I gather it gave the repukes a time to salivate. And I can't wait to hear what those same repukes have to say from this morning's show on Delay stepping down.

[cali]

25. Heavy handed pedestrian

flamebait. You lack a deft touch.

[LostinVA]

27. It was supposed to be heavy-handed, but not flamebait

Just poking fun at some of the posters on DU who honestly (or dishonestly) don't think the incident was fueled by some good, old-fashioned DC racism.

[Tsiyu]

32. There are no such things as racism or sexism

Some stupid liberal just made those concepts up. ;)

[LostinVA]

36. I know... that's what my "Republican Primer" taught me

It also says Hitlery is a lesbian, and that people who can't afford medication should just go out and get a damn job!

[Tsiyu]

39. Don't forget the most important part now

Jeebus talks to Dubbya and Bill Clinton's penis is The Devil!

[LostinVA]

41. Ooooh... The Clenis is evil....

[SeattleGirl]

31. There you go again!

You're such a troll! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

:hi:

[LostinVA]

33. I know -- and I keep getting found out!

I actually think some people think I was posting this as a troll, not as satire!!!

[SeattleGirl]

45. Some people's

satire recognition buttons are broken.....

[xchrom]

37. gasp! you mean cynthia question 9-11 mckinney

is being uppity?

doesn't she know better?

what african american woman would strike out at a police officer who grabbed her while she was in her place of work?

[LostinVA]

38. I know... it's just unbelievable, isn't it?

[no name no slogan]

40. Indeed-- she needs to know her place in the world

Back in my day, the men were men, and the women were women. Nowdays, I can't even tell the men from the women.

Cynthia McKinney needs to go back to her family and take care of her OWN house before she serves in the US House.

And another thing: only God-fearing Christians should be allowed to own guns.

[LostinVA]

42. Ooooh.... that's really, really good -- and scary

[no name no slogan]

43. and all completely true, of course

:rofl:

Good God, these GOP asssteaks are desperate. Anything-- ANYTHING-- to detract from DeLay resigning, his two aides copping pleas, and the continued unravelling of the Dubya pResidency. Sheesh.

[LostinVA]

44. I know!

[jukes]

48. Lost

you're the Man!

[Neil Lisst]

49. Cops hired by the Republicans who run the House. Hmmmm.

Gee, could these guys possibly be toads for Hastert et al.?

Blacks in America face this kind of shit about 7 times as often as whites.

It ain't right.

[stanwyck]

55. You forgot to mention

that she "looks like a crack whore". Courtesy of Neal Boortz. (Who is not someone who should ever comment on someone else's appearance.)

[Jigarotta]

61. you can't mean racism....

doesn't exist, silly.
o wait....

White House Pays Tribute to Martin Luther King Jr.
Aired January 21, 2002 - 16:10   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
JUDY WOODRUFF, CNN ANCHOR: We want to take our viewers to the White House, where in introducing the president, Coretta Scott King and others have unveiled a portrait of the late Dr. King on this, the day that America remembers the great civil rights leader, who was gunned down in 1968. There you see President Bush. He's just been introduced by Coretta Scott King.

(JOINED IN PROGRESS)

GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Mrs. King, thanks for this beautiful portrait. I can't wait to hang it.

(LAUGHTER)

I want to welcome you all to the White House.........etc.

=

it doesn't bother me so much that the mindless one said that because it's expected, it's the LAUGHTER at it. How utterly disgraceful.

but racism? naw, you're back in the 60's lady/sir. 'sarc'
==

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0201/21/se.02.html

[maddezmom]

72. locking

sarcasm aside, this is still flamebait.