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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 03:34 PM
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Greenwald: "Americans have deeply instilled within them the value that
... nobody is above the law, including the President, and that it is hubristic, arrogant and intolerable for anyone to claim the right to break the law, no matter the intentions. Every poll has shown considerable opposition to this law-breaking despite very little leadership on this issue.


And the evidence this is correct:

Do you favor or oppose the United States Senate passing a resolution censuring President George W. Bush for authorizing wiretaps of Americans within the United States without obtaining court orders?

3/15/06 Favor Oppose Undecided

All Adults 46% 44% 10%
Voters 48% 43% 9%

Republicans (33%) 29% 57% 14%
Democrats (37%) 70% 26% 4%
Independents (30%) 42% 47% 11%

Based on 1,100 completed telephone interviews among a random sample of adults nationwide March 13-15, 2006. The theoretical margin of error is plus or minus 3 percentage points, 95% of the time.

http://americanresearchgroup.com


And, Independents favor impeachment by the House 47 % to 40 %; Democrats favor impeachment 61 % to 30 %; and, rather astonishingly, 43 % of voters favor impeachment. Hell, even 18 % of the Republicans polled favored impeachment by the House!

As Greenwald notes:

Already, a plurality support the Censure Resolution, and that's with just one person -- Russ Feingold -- advocating it, and Democrats running away from it. Think of what those numbers will be if Democrats stand united, with some Republicans, and forcefully explain why we cannot allow the President to break the law with impunity.

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What more do Democrats want than this poll? Go forth and censure.

Link:

http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/03/first-poll-americans-support-censure.html


Just imagine what could happen if Senate and House Dems actually united to save the Republic from the Bu$h crime syndicate.


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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 03:35 PM
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1. THE PRESIDENT BROKE THE LAW. It's that simple.
Peace.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 03:43 PM
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2. And says he will do it again and again
and whatever ELSE he sees fit. And the excuse is the war-the only way to end the excuse-is to end the war. It seems obvious to me. The war is a fraud. There are no WMD. They didn't start 9/11. Why are we there? To help delay their civil war for five minutes. But nevermind, we are there to enrich somebody and continue someone's fantasy of making over the middle east. Until we have represenation that ends the war president fantasy-we will have whatever the war president decides to do. And is anyone stopping him? No. No one. He wil torture, detain, spy, invade as he says fit. Congress is even irrelevant and they don't seem to know it. What a charade! If they did-they might have mentioned to the American people since we then, clearly have a dictatorship-because of "the war."

I guess that's the price of fear.


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freefall Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 04:06 PM
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7. And his excuse is also totally bogus as we are not at war. We are
occupying a foreign land and fighting an insurgency that doesn't want us there but we are not in a legal war (or any kind of war actually). Only Congress can declare war and Congress has not done so. In 2002 they gave * the ability to use force but that is not the same as declaring war. Therefore, * cannot legally claim that he is a wartime president and has special powers because of that.

Anyway, they have no enemy to declare war on. Supposedly, we are on the Iraqi's side although most Iraqis would probably no longer agree with that.

Peace,

freefall
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 03:43 PM
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4. Yes, it is that simple. And, he made it even simpler by admitting it!!
And, today, in violation of international law, he once again pronounced his strategy of war of aggression.

:hi:


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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 03:43 PM
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3. Yep -- that is our gospel: nobody is above the law, including the
"President."
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 03:45 PM
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5. But....but....but.....


Drag out and dust off the old Fallujah game!!! We need new B-roll of troops shooting and busting into houses!!! That footage of the kid with the bloody shoulder shooting over the rooftop wall is getting stale!!!!!!!!! OPERATION SWAGGER; FLEE-dom is on the march!!!!!!!
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 03:49 PM
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6. K&R.
Peace.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 04:17 PM
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8. Senator Feingold: "So not only do I not regret it, I felt an absolute ...
Edited on Thu Mar-16-06 04:18 PM by understandinglife
... obligation to do it.


Furthermore, he addresses the reichwing corporatist spin machine with the following:

FEINGOLD: It seems to me appropriate, when the spin machines are out there and people are using various language, to come out and reiterate my reasons for doing this.

I think that the press decided immediately that somehow this was a bad thing for Democrats and a good thing for conservatives. The facts don't bear it out. You don't have the polls to prove it. The way my colleagues are responding to me suggests to me they're thinking about this, that they feel that there has to be some accountability.

So the instant decision about what the story is, actually, I think is going to backfire on those who made up the story. I don't get the feeling that I had on Monday about this -- yes, people were concerned -- I'm not getting that.

And if the right wing really believes in this country that -- Rush Limbaugh and others -- that they can somehow turn the president's reputation around by saying, "You're darn right he violated the law, and it's a good thing," I think they're just as confused as they are about their Iraq politics. People aren't buying it anymore.

So not only do I not regret it, I felt an absolute obligation to do it.

Link:
http://feingold.senate.gov/~feingold/statements/06/03/2006316.html


That "obligation" thing; that part about defending the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic; that bit about upholding the law .... it seems Senator Feingold definitely gets it.

This is not politics.

Bu$h must be stopped from committing even more crimes, foreign and domestic.


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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 04:29 PM
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10. Beautiful. No retreat, no surrender. nt
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 05:45 PM
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13. He doesn't get muddy, does he?
:kick:
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ArmchairMeme Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 04:20 PM
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9. They can't get their story together
Bush said when asked what historians would say about him he answered - it won't matter, we'll all be dead.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, twice shouted down by anti-war protesters who called her a killer, told critics Thursday that the verdict on the U.S.-led war in Iraq should be left to history.

http://www.forbes.com/technology/feeds/ap/2006/03/16/ap2600435.html
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 05:15 PM
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11. If I were a Democratic politician running for office in 2006, my
campaign platform would be largely based on the promise that if elected, I will do everything possible to rid America of the Bush and Republican scourge. (I can't run and win because I'm an atheist.)
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 05:41 PM
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12. "If that's all they've got, the Feingold resolution has clearly ...
... demonstrated that the wingnut tank is on empty. When the number one word that comes to people's minds about George Bush is "incompetent," impeachment is just not going to have the same primal, reptilian brain pull as gays, gods and guns (and we can now safely add "sluts" I think).

Quite the contrary, impeachment offers the hope of some 24/7 cable news scandal theater, always candy for the Fox News rabble.

As Jeffrey Feldman says this morning, the frame is now ours -- Feingold's resolution has the GOP is backed into a corner. In the public's eye they tried to sell our ports -- and our national security -- to the very people they've spent the past five years demonizing, all for the sake of a buck. Now their only answer to Feingold is to attack Democrats for being weak on terrorism when they themselves have just been revealed as craven opportunists on that front, willing to exploit it whenever they see fit.

How nice of them to take the bait.

More from Jane Hamsher's Prayin' for a Miracle at:

http://firedoglake.blogspot.com/2006/03/prayin-for-miracle.html


Unite. Never Relent. Haul Bu$h and his crime syndicate into court and prosecute them.

That's how we keep America safe from terrorists.


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