My Bestest FREIND from Childhood turns out to be a "BUSH BOT!"
I haven't connected with here in over 20 years...but I had a dream that I needed to CALL HER..and HER HUBBY..(also my friend)
AND ..it turns out THAT they BOTH ARE BUSH BOTS! They Support him with EVERYTHING!
I tried to explain to them..that they hadn't heard from me in a LONG WHILE because I was doing other things...
BUT...in the meantime they have FOUR KIDS AND EIGHT GRANDKIDS...and so they could CARE LESS WHO "I" AM!
Their kids are all doing great...in the "Southern Fashion" and they were delighted to hear from me...until I broached "POLITICS!"
I am an "OUTCAST" amongst their SOUTHERN GROUP..Yet, the saddest of ALL to ME is that I went from Kindergarten through Twelve with both of them...and to Church and everything...YET "I WAS THE RADICAL" who moved NORTH while THEY stayed BEHIND...and so it was up to me after 20 Years to contact THEM...(WHOM I LOVE WITH ALL MY HEART AND SOUL) to converse and find out that they think BUSH IS GOD...come on the EARTH!!
How can I deal with this..........How can I ....I seem to be so DIFFERENT ...yet My blood and soul and growing up is SO TIED TO THEM. We all LEARNED THE SAME..FROM THE SAME TEACHERS...WE READ AND LIVED THE SAME...yet ONE IS DIEHARD BUSH BOT...and I am a RADICAL LEFTY!
I love them...I told them that..no matter who they support..but still...My heart and soul is ripped out over this........
I have had friends from school, best buds for >40 yrs. And I have always been in close touch, not anymore. Save yourself the pain. Or not. I have done everything conceivable, including humbling myself to no avail and which I would have never ever would have done in the case of a single other human being alive on this Earth.
But let YOUR conscience be your guide. I do know only to well the pain you will experience with this issue & I commiserate with you over it. Good luck & I hope it all works out for the best for you. a
It happened with a couple of best friends and my in-laws.
I had to accept that we had grown irreparably apart (it was like a divorce or a death).
When one's basic belief system (the one that is integral to daily living) is SO far apart from the former friend ... well, the relationship has ended beyond basic exchange of pleasantries now and again (if that).
"Conscience being my guide." I probably shouldn't have contacted them..I have to hope that my contacting meant something somewhere...since I explained to them that George Bush is a liar, thief and stole elections, but I told they they knew me since I was five years old...so why would I lie to them.
But...to them...I'm an outcast because I "moved away" and they stayed where they were in the George Bush South...where they have friends and support.
I am an "outlier" to them. But, they were gracious and kind in my phone conversation...so maybe not "all" is lost. When I told them I protested both Bush and Cheney here in my state...I heard a "gasp" but they did seem to respect what I said.
Maybe there's hope ...but it was really devastating.
in a northern blue state are the same way. Unfortunately it has devolved to a point where I don't even discuss politics with them. It can put a strain on a relationship. I don't enjoy their company as much because several times it has turned into a group vs. me. I would not mind supporting my opinions with facts and debating issues with them but they are so misinformed and obnoxious. Good luck to you. Try to not let it get to you. Remember why you value their friendship.
13. It's sad it's come down to all of this.. isn't it. I cherish my oldie
friends...but it kind of makes me wonder these days what the "Civil War" was about way back with Neighbor against Neighbor, Brother against Brother, Families against Families, Friend against Friend" etc.
Are we in a New Civil WAR? Where folks you share so much with seem to be on another planet?
What you say, makes sense. And, I did manage to find some common ground...yet...I had to compromise MY PRINCIPLES...because "I" contacted THEM and they didn't start a dialog with me...
Anyway...I love them..which I told them..but they got it plain and clear that I do NOT support BUSH/EMPEROR and NEVER WILL... And, I said he STOLE TWO ELECTIONS!
But they hate Gore and trashed Clinton and didn't understand how or why I could support either.
They are good people and ENVIRONMENTALISTS (WOULD YOU BELIEVE?) Yet...their brainwashing is complete!
6. I can't answer any of your questions but I can offer.........
....you the support you need so desperately right now. I'm sorry to hear of the shock you must have suffered learning of their refusal to educate themselves. At least we can offer them
I've got a cousin who is just 16 days younger than I am and she too is a HUGE Bush supporter. For her Bush all but walks on water all because he doesn't believe in abortion. Nothing else he does seems to matter if he doesn't believe in abortion. So I understand the frustration very well.
15. The abortion issue turns some into zombies - I was talking to a co-worker
earlier today, and he was talking about an experience a few years back with another co-worker where he was basing his vote on that issue and that issue alone (voting Rethug), even when my co-worker was trying to explain the financial ramifications of his vote, how it would impact him negatively. This particular guy said he couldn't possibly vote against the wishes of his church. The Fundie churches have truly become pseudo-cults in this country...
22. No...it didn't start out that way...it started with a dream I had
waking up at 3:00 a.m and having this idea I should call them because it was really important. The conversation evolved into that.
They are "rescuing squirrels from development sites." They belong to a group that calls folks when the "back hoe's and whatever" go to tear up land for new developments and they take the babies and parents of these squirrels in.... So the conversation evolved from there.....
I didn't bring it up...but asked them how they felt about our fragile environment taking the land from the squirrel's they saved and that's how they told me they really loved Bush and that Clinton with Monica had turned them..
I have no idea how they can protect and save baby squirrels and yet love George Bush...so I did change subject into deeper Bush Bot issues...
It's like the guy I saw the other day with "W04" and "I Love Mountains" bumper stickers. I asked him how he reconciles his love of Bush and the practice of mountaintop mining and he just stood there with a totally blank look on his face. No big surprise there, I suppose, but he couldn't even come back with regurgitated right-wing talking points.
My sister and I grew up in a strong democratic and Union household. she says she was brainwashed in her childhood but now she has seen the "Big Picture". I really hate going to family functions because of this. I try and just suck it up and go...but her slug of a husband just wont leave it alone. I had a really good Christmas last year...I stayed home.
and that's why I feel so said about my friend. I don't have a sister but she was as close to me as if I'd had one. and I was close to her hubby because we all grew up together...We shared so much...I can't understand why there's such a huge gap?
I'm in a similar but not quite as extreme situation w/my friend of 35 years. Her family has totally bought in to this GOP'er line. We just don't talk politics anymore. Sometimes I get the feeling she is torn between going along w/her husband and her own family vs. making a stand. I think she is taking the path of least resistance.
At least in her case, for example, after exploring some of the "private" schools around here, she decided the parents were all kooks and pretentious, and put her kid in good old Fairfax County public schools where she doesn't have to fake it. Although when I asked her, with quality public schools, why spend the money on a private elementary school, she did use the code words of "cultural" crap. I attribute that to too much Fox News watching and this weird, misplaced fear of gays and lesbians that so many GOP'ers seem to have fallen prey to.
Good luck with your friends. If you ever get that phone call down the road when they wake up to the realities, welcome them back.
27. With top notch public schools like in Fairfax County (for DUers, this is
one of the best if not THE best school system in the country, I grew up in neighboring Montgomery County and am well familiar), it seems crazy to spend thousands on private school unless you are really well off and can afford the absolute best prep schools without too much pain.
To forgo these excellent schools, and spend loads of cash to go to possibly inferior schools because they espouse wingnut Christian theology seems the worst folly.
Ignorance knows neither North or South. I know what you are going, through, as I have friends and family who are ignorant BushBots... I have gotten through to some of them, so there is hope. IF you you want to pursue an education campaign, I recommend first trying to talk to your female friend privately. In my experience with RWers, the husband is usually the one who is overbearing, and makes the "political" decisions for the wife. If you work on her first you might be able to turn them away from the fascists. Otherwise, you might have to just let them go, and try to remember the good times.
In this case it was the "hubby" who was with me but both still support Bush to the hilt..even though they are on the "Squirrel Rescue Squad" alert where they take care of the babies and parents who are being "backhoed over" from the developers.
How can one work to save baby squirrels and yet love Bush and think his WAR is GREAT? How can they not see that the Developers and BUSH BOT's are driving out our wildlife in the name of GREED? (I did NOT say this to them, but it was in my mind)
How can folks who try to save squirrels from death by developer bulldozers be TOTALLY BUSH SUPPORTERS?
I love these two...but their views on Bush were beyond even what I (trying to be fair) could deal with...
How can folks still support this MadMan FASCIST! ...HOW.. Anyway...I'm still "raving" from the conversation...but thanks for what you say. I think I need to back off and think more...about this and what you say makes sense...along with other posters here.}
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