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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:28 PM
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Hillary Clinton's full and complete voting record
http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=WN...

Since it is Hillary Night in GD, it seems, I thought the actual record would help.

Facts. You know...facts?

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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:30 PM
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1. OMFG! Hillary poked me in the eye with a fucking pencil!
antichrist!
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:32 PM
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2. Dude.
You are cracking me up.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:33 PM
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5. You understand.
I like that about you, Chief.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:32 PM
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3. Has She Renounced This Vote Yet? Said it was wrong?
Or is she still for more troops? I am confused.

Key Vote

Use of Military Force Against Iraq



Bill Number: H J Res 114
Issue: Military Issues
Date: 10/11/2002
Sponsor:Rep Hastert, Dennis


Roll Call Number: 237
Joint Resolution Adopted (Senate)
How members voted


Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton voted YES.
Read statements Senator Clinton made in this general time period.

Official Title of Legislation:

H Joint Res 114: To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq.

Project Vote Smart's Synopsis:

Vote to adopt a joint resolution to authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq.

Highlights:

- Authorizes President to use United States Armed Forces against Iraq

- Requires President to report to Congress no later than 48 hours after military action has started with his determination that diplomatic efforts alone could not protect U.S. national security nor enforce United Nations resolutions regarding Iraq

- Requires President to submit a progress report to Congress every 60 days on matters relevant to this resolution


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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:32 PM
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4. not much of a facts man , myself
but I love lookin at voting records... :kick: to the Hillary fest tonight!

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:37 PM
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8. Oh my gosh
Look how young they are there. Cute.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:41 PM
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11. I'll contribute to the cute "hippie" couple album :)
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:51 PM
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16. That dirty hippie was President for EIGHT YEARS!?
Eight More Years! Eight More Years!

For either of them. In November of 2008, I look for the D and vote.
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Terran1212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 09:11 PM
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22. Let her be elected to President BUT...
Don't let up on her when she's in office. She won't take up real Left causes otherwise.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 09:42 PM
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27. attack of the hippies turned Senators
Norm Coleman (R-assbag) then:


and Now:

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specimenfred1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 02:41 PM
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46. LOL!
"(R-assbag)"

That's great!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 10:52 PM
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33. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 12:34 PM
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44. wow, that looks like my parents
I mean, wow. If my dad was taller and had straighter hair (he was rockin' the JewFro back then) this would be a carbon copy.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:46 PM
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14. I wanna pinch his cheeks!
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 09:19 PM
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24. You are talking about his face, right?
:dilemma:
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 10:13 PM
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32. LOL!
Yes. :P
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:53 PM
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17. stoned out thier gourds, both of them.. too bad they're very different
people now...
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:56 PM
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19. She looks totally ripped
That's high-larious :smoke:
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 09:11 PM
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21. them dlc folk is good people!
:kick: :)
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 09:28 PM
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26. Heh heh
:)
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 09:47 PM
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29. That's a cute pic...awwwww. n/t
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 12:29 PM
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43. thanks
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Crazy Guggenheim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:34 PM
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6. Hey Will. Heard anything back from your publisher yet?
:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:44 PM
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13. Yup
"Yes, absolutely, I'd welcome the chance to review the manuscript."

Via email yesterday. Sent the manuscript today. Waiting.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:34 PM
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7. picky picky picky
Donald Rumsfeld is giving the president his daily briefing. He concludes by saying: "Yesterday, 3 Brazilian soldiers were killed."

"OH NO!" the President exclaims. "That's terrible!"

His staff sits stunned at this display of emotion, nervously watching as the President sits, head in hands.

Finally, the President looks up and asks, "How many is a brazillion?
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:38 PM
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9. here's a fact ...
several months ago, Senator Clinton sent out an issues survey so that she could hear what Democratic voters had on their minds ...

she provided a pick list of issues and we were given the opportunity to check all that applied ...

guess she figured no one really cared about Iraq ... that's a fact, Jack ... Iraq was not among the issues Mrs. Clinton deemed important ...
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 09:15 PM
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23. crickets
chirping. The number one concern among most Americans too.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:39 PM
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10. her ratings from interest groups are interesting
100% from NARAL, 0 from nationial right to life and the anti-tax starve the beasters hate her.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:42 PM
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12. "Mom, dad, she's evil. Don't touch her..."
"Mom? Dad?"

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Crazy Guggenheim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:48 PM
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15. Yeah but did she kill Vince Foster? Are you ready for a smear campaign????
:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:55 PM
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18. one going on here, dont have to wait :-)
actually she has her good points. sending me campaign fundraising mail in California is NOT one
of them.

Msongs
www.msongs.com/democratsmugs.htm
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 09:02 PM
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20. We Colbert fans prefer truthiness over facts. Facts confuse issues.
Funny, I was explaining truthiness vs facts to a Libertarian at work today. He doesn't believe the poll that 71% of troops in Iraq think we should get out. Said the sample was large enough. I tried to explain sample sizes and MOE, even sent him some links, but he still refuses to believe.

He also doesn't believe in Global Warming.
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RazzleDazzle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 10:39 AM
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42. How 'bout the earth -- flat or round?
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 02:11 PM
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45. Funny you should mention that!
one of the other liberals in the discussion brought up the Flat Earth Society. I replied that I the Round Earth theory didn't have the feel of truthiness about it, and it challenged my worldview. The Flat Earth did have the feel of truthiness, and so the world MUST be flat.

This was an email discussion, and I haven't heard back from my conservative friend yet. Monday should be interesting!
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Clara T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 09:28 PM
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25. A few votes for the record
USA PATRIOT and Terrorism Prevention Reauthorization


Bill Number: HR 3199
Issue: National Security Issues
Date: 03/02/2006
Sponsor:Sponsor: Rep Sensenbrenner, F. James, Jr.


Roll Call Number: 29
Conference Report Agreed (Senate)
How members voted

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton voted YES.
Read statements Senator Clinton made in this general time period.

Official Title of Legislation:

HR 3199: To extend and modify authorities needed to combat terrorism, and for other purposes.

Project Vote Smart's Synopsis:

Project Vote Smart staff and volunteers are working hard to produce a clear and accurate summary of the contents of the bill. At this time, we have posted the voting record for HR 3199 so you can see how the office holder representing you has voted on this piece of legislation. We will have a detailed summary available as soon as possible

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?vote...

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton voted YES.
Read statements Senator Clinton made in this general time period.

Official Title of Legislation:

S Amdt 2737 to S Amdt 2707 to HR 4297: To strengthen America's military, to repeal the extension of tax rates for capital gains and dividends, to reduce the deficit, and for other purposes.

Project Vote Smart's Synopsis:

Vote on a motion to waive the budget act in order to adopt an amendment that appropriates $47.27 billion to the military and repeals the extension of tax cuts for capital gains and dividends to 2010 back to 2008.

NOTE: A MOTION TO WAIVE THE BUDGET ACT, IF ADOPTED, TEMPORARILY SETS ASIDE A SPECIFIC PROVISION OF THE BUDGET ACT OF 1974, SO THAT AN AMENDMENT THAT VIOLATES THE ACT CAN BE CONSIDERED. A MINIMUM OF THREE-FIFTHS MAJORITY IS REQUIRED FOR ADOPTION.

Highlights:

- $25.41 billion for procurement

- $16.9 billion for Army operation and maintenance

- $4.5 billion for Marine Corps operation and maintenance

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?vote...
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Crazy Guggenheim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 09:47 PM
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28. I have one answer for you!
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Yollam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 10:04 PM
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30. This is the only vote I need to know.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 11:08 PM
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34. You mind explaining why you need to know this vote, I'm curious n/t
Edited on Fri Mar-10-06 11:09 PM by spokane
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 12:19 AM
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35. Perhaps because pre-emptive war is a fucking nightmare
Edited on Sat Mar-11-06 12:20 AM by wuushew
that has thrown the world into bloody chaos. If Senator Clinton thinks the idea is good I don't want her any where near the Presidency where under the influence of the DLC and AIPAC the bombs will be loosed on Iran.

The Fundies and their foolish cultural wedge issues will always be with us and we will be fighting them with or without President Clinton. Democrats must make a binary distinction on the immorality and criminality of the concept of pre-emptive warfare.
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Yollam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 03:08 AM
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37. It's pretty self-explanatory.
Everyone with half a brain knew that Bushco were acting in bad faith when she voted for that atrocity. I'm aware of the copout rationalizations that the resolution called on the president to go through X and Y hoops before actually invading, but we all knew it was a blank check for war, it was universally depicted as such in the media, and yet she voted for it anyway, against the vocal opposition of New Yorkers, who opposed military action on Iraq.

But you know all this, don't you.

It doesn't matter, because there will always be plenty of folks who will let their dedication to the democratic party and any member thereof win out over their outrage that ANY human being professing to be a "democrat" would vote for a resolution that they KNEW would kill thousands of sleeping babies in their beds, in a country that they KNEW had nothing to do with 9-11, and which had been quietly complying with post Gulf War agreements for years, even as thousands of their children starved to death.

But what else should we expect from a woman whose husband regularly bombed Iraq for violations of the arbitrary "no-fly zone" (not imposed by UN decree, BTW), whose Secretary of State said that even if a half million Iraqi children starved to death under the sanctions, that it was "worth it".

I was a democrat for years, but it is actions like hers that have made it impossible for me to be one in good conscience now. I'm an American, and I'd like to be a Democrat, but above all of those things, I'm a human being, brother of all the people Bush has murdered in Iraq. And every single baby that was turned into so much chopped meat with Senators Clinton and Kerry's approval was EXACTLY LIKE MY BABY. Every bit as precious and wonderful and irreplaceable.

So spare me your rationalizations for Ms. Clinton's craven, calculating voting record. I've heard them all a dozen times before.
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xynthee Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 03:56 AM
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40. Well said!
:applause: :applause:

VERY well said!

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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 10:06 PM
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31. That's An Awesome Site Will, Thanks! She Has A Pretty Good Record.
I was fascinated reading all of it and will bookmark that site for future perusal, and I'm sure I could scan through that for hours easily.

I think that's a great resource to have and have never come across it before. Thanks for providing it, and thanks for always for being a voice of truth and reason in the midst of factless emotion :)
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 03:01 AM
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36. kickaroo
How'd this fall off the 1st page?

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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 03:23 AM
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38. I don't understand why DUers think Hillary is divisive...polarizing.
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Steve A Play Donating Member (638 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 03:24 AM
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39. So Will, do you see any difference between voting for your 'issues'
and voting to take away your rights? :shrug:

I do. :(
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 06:07 AM
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41. I don't understand your question
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 03:43 PM
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47. Will, I'm sure you are smart enough to know.....
that facts rarely have anything to do with elections nowadays. Perception, perception, perception.

Just take people right from DU, and their preconcieved ideas on Hillary. We haven't even officially started the next presidential campaign season, and the fighting over Hillary makes the fighting over Kerry look like a game of flag football.

And this is within the ranks of people most likely to support Senator Clinton. My prediction is that she and the Democrats will get slaughtered, if she is the nominee.

For the sake of the party and the country, NO MATTER HOW UNFAIR IT MAY BE, it has to be someone other than Hillary.
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