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harpo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 11:05 AM
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How can repukes support war but not abortion?
I guess I just don't get it. They want to drop bombs and "turn that place into glass" and for the death penalty but they are violently against abortion..someone want to explain the logic to me?

I didn't know god had an exception list...
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 11:07 AM
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1. it goes hand in hand
fewer abortions, more disaffected youth, more cannon fodder

at a certain point, if you are pro-war and you want a large standing army, you are going to be anti-abortion, see under romania dictator ceausescu
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 11:07 AM
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2. Because all you are is a worker/worshiper.
As far as they are concerned you don't own your body, so how can you be allowed to decide to abort?

All you are is a meat puppet to use in their factories and schools. You have no right to deny them another worker/worshiper.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 11:07 AM
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3. Don't forget the death penalty & stem cell research
The "culture of life" is a crock of sh.....
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harpo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 11:34 AM
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14. almost forgot how those figured in, thanks for the reminder
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sdfernando Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 11:08 AM
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4. God doesn't
One of the ten is "Thou Shalt Not Kill"

Seems there is not really any room for misinterpreting that one.
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 11:18 AM
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11. Oh, but they try.
I remember one argument with a Repug over this. His response was the REAL meaning was lost over time and what God really meant was "Thou Shall Not Murder".

My Moses impression:

"Well God just gave me these new commandments for you guys to obey. Now this one is real important people, so listen up! It says Thou Shalt Not Ki- Hey wait a minute. Is that a golden calf??? DIIIEEE heathens!!!!!!"
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 11:49 AM
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17. all smirkiness aside
it DOES mean murder in the hebrew text...it is also in relation to humans and not animals and plants or any other living thing...but you can be as snarky as you like with your lack of information...because if it just said "Thou Shall Not Kill" you would be in deep shit if you had a burger in the last few years...or heck, even if you just took a breath your immune system will squash some bacteria and you sure as hell are killing those...OMG...what now??? </sarcasm>

sP
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 01:53 PM
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18. Are you kidding me?
I had TWO burgers! I'm screwed!
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 02:14 PM
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19. you are SO screwed :-)
but it does mean Murder...of course you may consider killing a cow Murder... ;-)

subjectProdigal
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harpo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 02:17 PM
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20. so if 20 people eat from the same cow, do we all go or just the one that
killed it?
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 02:27 PM
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22. i guess that would depend on your definition of murder
i guess you could be an accessory to a crime...maybe only purgatory for you :-)

sP
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 02:43 PM
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24. Heh!!
eom
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 11:10 AM
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5. because they are emotional hypocritical imbeciles
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TAPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 11:11 AM
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6. I say this almost every day here:
They are not pro-life! They are ANTI-woman, freedom, privacy and "choice" (if you must)...
They are also PRO-war, death penalty, hungry & sick children and on and on, ad nauseum...
Makes my blood boil :grr:
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 02:49 PM
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25. in fact,
they don't give a rip about "life". They don't even give a rip about children. If they did, they might want to tackle pro-family issues such as accessible birth control, health care for families, controlling pollution (to prevent birth defects and miscarriage), to name just a few. But no, MOST of them take the opposite side on those issues.

It appears to me that pregnancy is seen as a consequence, a sentence to be served for having sex. It's like 'you were a slut, and you shouldn't get away with being immoral'.
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KyuzoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 11:14 AM
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7. Because they are irrational and psychotic.
Just a guess. I'm no expert.
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Ravenseye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 02:22 PM
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21. At least irrational
I don't think you need to truly be psychotic to be both anti-choice and pro-war, just irrational with an inability to reason or hear and understand basic logical arguments.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 11:15 AM
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8. 3 reasons: when older people die, they've either been baptised (or not)
feti don't get that chance and so are condemned to Hell without the opportunity for salvation by accepting gawdjeezis as their personal lord and savior amen.

also, until a fetus becomes a human and is born, we don't know if it might be an important player in the christist end-times mythology, or even Jeebiz his own self.

finally, like the rest of the religiously insane, they are delusional hypocrites
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 11:17 AM
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9. Ah, but the key word in the trick question is INNOCENT human life
Never mind that under the doctrine of original sin there is no such thing as innocent human life. According to right wing Christians, human life is innocent, at least until the child comes out of the womb.

On the other hand, all Muslims are swarmy terrorists who go to the wrong church and are therefore damned. They deserve to die.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 11:17 AM
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10. Silly, don't you know war is for post-born sinners?
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 11:22 AM
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12. It doesn't have anything to do with life
They're anti-sex. Listen to their arguments, "If you had sex, you have to live with the consequences." Pregnancy is clearly a punishment for having sex.

If they were anti-abortion, they'd be pro-birth control, but they'll go after that next. They want people to stop having sex except to conceive a child.
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harpo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 11:23 AM
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13. its good to want...
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 11:36 AM
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15. Logic? We don't need no stinkin' logic....
:sarcasm:
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 11:39 AM
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16. Yeah, I didnt know "Thou Shalt Not Kill" had a footnote...
Thou Shalt Not Kill*











* - Unless you really want to! Or you're a white buisness asshole who makes billions of dollars, claims to be religious, and controls the government.

A lot of flexibillity in Christianity. I like that.
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foreverdem Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 02:38 PM
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23. They're not fetuses
The men and women who serve our country and the innocent who die in war are not fetuses. Therefore, their lives do not matter.
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harpo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 02:51 PM
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26. schiavo wasn't a fetus either
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 02:52 PM
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27. They are all about death for convenience' sake
as long as they might be the ones inconvenienced.

Fetuses are easy to defend. They are unseen and unheard and their mommies do all the work.

Actual living, breathing, already-birthed humans aren't as mystical and "innocent" as the zygote.

REpukes can look an Iraqi baby in the eye and blow him away with no qualms. They can look at a poor baby in New Orleans and claim "Gawd want to punish that baby so I don't have to help him." They can watch their friends and neighbors die from curable diseases all because they want the rich fuckers they elected to get richer.

The abortion issue has nothing to do with any sanctity of life in their eyes. The issue is only a way to make them seem like "Champions for the Innocent" when they are in fact all sons and daughters of the devil.
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Ufomammut Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 03:22 PM
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28. Cognitive Dissonance
Coupled with a healthy does of Puritan sexual oppression and a lack of critical thinking skills ...which translates into, cannot think for themselves, which explains what is often referred to as the repug's "strict party discipline."

The average repug is highly susceptible to the coercion of "groupthink," and will vehemently follow party rhetoric, ideology and propaganda to a T because they're able to internalize the lies. Part of this tendency stems from natural, reasonable traits: wanting solidarity, but especially wanting solidarity within what is commonly perceived as "right," "moral," and "strong." So when you couple mental laziness with vast 24/7 propaganda, and a "way of life" that, in our country, at least regarding economics and domestic policy, promotes mindless consumerism and competition above all else, a low common denomenator is being exploited. Since it affects so many, it's easy for them to be whipped into a nationalistic fervor by their Corporate Masters.

Also, a crucial aspect in understanding the right wing movement is to have a grasp on psychology, and the dynamics of manipulating mass psychology. In those terms, the rightist movement is grounded in projection; to impute to others that which you are most guilty of yourself. And of course, never underestimate the power of denial - and that goes for many people in this country, not just the immoral fools who align themselves with the right.
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Rocknrule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 03:55 PM
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29. Because the are really pro-death and want to control women
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Ufomammut Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 04:04 PM
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30. Yep
Underneath the rhetoric, it's the good ol boy club, and woman = brood mare for the state. Damned if you work, damned if you stay home ..but go put on that thong, dance around, and then make dinner.
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