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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:09 AM
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Poll question: Should women be forced to register with Selective Service as men are?

Sorry, polls are turned off at Level 3.

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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:12 AM
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1. Men shouldn't be forced to register with Selective Service either
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:17 AM
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5. I feel the same
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:17 AM
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7. Exactly.
So why not make them register with selective service?

We can all burn our draft cards together then. :D
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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:27 AM
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12. I feel the same as well. n/t
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Yollam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 10:09 AM
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34. Exactly.
Why should anyone be registering for a draft, when the US has not had a legitimate military conflict since Korea?


But yes, women should be subject to the draft if men are.
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slide to the left Donating Member (602 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:13 AM
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2. I would be a draft dodger
Well, than again, so would my husband.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:15 AM
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3. Correct me if I'm wrong
but I believe that the way the new draft is set up, women will have to register.

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rocknation
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:25 AM
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11. Which 'new draft' are you referring to?
:shrug:
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:32 AM
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15. The one they've had on the back burner since the invasion
Edited on Fri Mar-10-06 08:41 AM by rocknation
with new rules that will NOT exempt college students and parents, and is ready to implemented at a moment's notice.

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rocknation
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 09:05 AM
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26. Where are you getting this information?
Who are 'they?'

Can you cite a source for this?
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 09:18 AM
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31. Selective Service eyes women's draft
The proposal would also require registration of critical skills

WASHINGTON -- The chief of the Selective Service System has proposed registering women for the military draft and requiring that young Americans regularly inform the government about whether they have training in niche specialties needed in the armed services.

The proposal, which the agency's acting Director Lewis Brodsky presented to senior Pentagon officials just before the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, also seeks to extend the age of draft registration to 34 years old, up from 25... More


As for "they", here's where you can find info straight for the source:

If a draft were held today there would be fewer reasons to excuse a man from service.

Before Congress reformed the draft in 1971, a man could qualify for a student deferment if he could show he was a full-time student making satisfactory progress in virtually any field of study. He could continue to go to school and be deferred from service until he was too old to be drafted. Under the new draft law, a college student could have his induction postponed only until the end of the current semester. A senior could be postponed until the end of the full academic year.


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rocknation
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:16 AM
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4. Voted yes not because I support forced registration, but I think whatever
the requirement is should apply equally.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:28 AM
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13. Even if it's wrong to begin with?
Doesn't make sense.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:45 AM
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22. I said WHATEVER THE REQUIREMENT IS - as in, if no requirement then
no requirement for either.

I'm not addressing whether the registration is right or not, which is debatable. Just that it be applied equally, whatever it is.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 09:14 AM
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28. self delete
Edited on Fri Mar-10-06 09:15 AM by valerief
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Mel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:39 AM
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20. that's why I voted No
all things aren't equal!
E.R.A. has not passed and until it does I say no. I also say no because I don't think men should be either.

BTW one of the arguments against E.R.A. by the right (Phyllis Schlafly) was that women would be drafted.
I say if we are to be expected to register we damn well better be equal under the Constitution and pass E.R.A.

Without E.R.A. then no on forced registration for women! Why? Because under the Constitution we women aren't equal!
Hell, look at the control S.D. and Tenn. are trying to force on our bodies women are under attack in there own country.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:48 AM
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23. I can only speak up for the equality I do believe in, not the inequality
supported by those I oppose.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 10:18 AM
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36. Agreed. nt
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eyesroll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:17 AM
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6. Assuming we need a Selective Service to begin with...yes.
Otherwise, no.
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harpo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:19 AM
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8. equal rights - equal work - equal pay - equal requirements
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:33 AM
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17. That day is not here yet
--Ms. 77%
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:21 AM
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9. Yes.
It might wake a few people up.
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PsN2Wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:23 AM
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10. Yes B.B.
if Babs and Jenna had to register, it might wake some folks up.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:32 AM
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16. I think you'd see a whole lot of *pregnancies* which would end
in *miscarriages*. (This, of course, would require marriage.) These would recur over and over and over for some women all during their child-bearing years. Celeb pols like Babs and Jenna would give interviews about painful is not to have a child but will say they trust god will give them one when the time is right. And, if they do decide to have children, after they've had their quota, they will go back to the miscarriage sham until they're too old for the military.
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Katherine Brengle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 02:04 PM
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40. Um, what makes you think that women would try to jump ship
any more than men do?

This kind of blatant stereotyping is why the state of gender relations in the US is how it is right now.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:28 AM
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14. I fear war shall always be with us; but I favor doing as much as
possible to prevent conflict, especially immoral, unjustified conflicts such as our invasion of Iraq.

As long as there is a draft, both men and women should be subject to it. However, the sad history of "rich man's war, poor man's fight" leads me to believe soldiers should be picked according to income/net worth, a lottery of sorts in which the richer you are, the lower your number, insuring that those fighting really are fighting for "their" country.

It will never happen, but if the sons and daughters of the powerful were most at risk, senseless wars would be extremely difficult for any government to initiate.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 09:18 AM
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32. Picking soldiers when there is a draft
Edited on Fri Mar-10-06 09:56 AM by Boojatta
... soldiers should be picked according to income/net worth, a lottery of sorts in which the richer you are, the lower your number, insuring that those fighting really are fighting for "their" country.

Would you exclude a certain amount of retirement savings (possibly exclude 100% in most cases) from the calculation of net worth? Your proposal might increase charitable giving in times of war as people shed wealth to reduce the odds of being drafted.

...if the sons and daughters of the powerful were most at risk, senseless wars would be extremely difficult for any government to initiate.

That is an excellent point. Are you sure that income/net worth is an accurate measure of political power?
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lukasahero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:34 AM
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18. Yes. Equal is equal.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:36 AM
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19. If the gov't wants to control their bodies, why not?
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:40 AM
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21. It's time for mandatory national service, which should involve. . .
. . .training for military service, and when necessary, military deployment. But the primary purpose would be more akin to Americacorps.

At least, I'd love to see Garrison Keillor's notion become a reality:

. . .
Of course the great experience that most of us missed out on is the American military, a baseline experience for my dad's generation, the kick in the pants that propels the dreamy adolescent into responsible adulthood. I don't apologize for dodging the draft in the Vietnam years--there is a time and place for cowardice--but there was a price to be paid for it: a dreaminess persisted that some sergeant at Ft. Leonard Wood might have adjusted.

Whenever I meet military men and women, I'm struck by their bearing and temperament. I sit down to dinner with a Marine captain just back from Iraq and immediately feel a little childish in his presence, though he's 30 years younger. He is friendly, polite and tremendously focused. What might appear at a distance to be rigidity is really heightened attentiveness. Everything he says is appropriate and precise. When you ask about his experience in Iraq, he tells you, without spinning the story. He is no tin soldier, no flag-waver. There's no bombast in him. As you see the price to be paid for immaturity and narcissism and bad manners and lousy grammar, you appreciate the military more and you ponder the consequences of its isolation in American life.

Fewer and fewer of our leaders have military service in their resumes. They prefer to sweep blithely along from one comfy perch to the next, cushioned in self-regard, promoting, puffing, spinning, hitting their talking points, building their skill sets. They slip into public office without ever having been yelled at by a bullet-headed man with sergeant's stripes and made to stand up straight in 95-degree weather and march back and forth across a dusty field and not ask why. This is a shame.

The way to put military service back in the picture is to pass a constitutional amendment requiring that a candidate for president have at least two years of full-time military service. It would be a boon to the country, to the military and to the young. It would confirm the importance of service. The 42-year-old governor who discovers that he wants to be president would need to go down to the recruiting office and enlist.
. .
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:57 AM
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25. it is exactly NOT the time...
...to force people into government service. in case you haven't noticed, the governmnet is entirely corrupt. volunteering is one thing, forcing is quite another. the entire concept of forced service is debatable under the BEST of conditions. we're not even close. and for the record, we weren't even close before the current criminal took office.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 09:06 AM
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27. Sounds like a substitute for parenting.
Edited on Fri Mar-10-06 09:08 AM by Divernan
He's absolutely right that many adolescents could use a few (symbolic) kicks in the pants to replace their narcissism and daydreaming with focus and purpose. I can think of one friend's college dropout kid who lacked the discipline to attend class if the teachers weren't entertaining enough. Now he's bagging groceries and sulking around the house and has absolutely no purpose in life. His Dad was thinking of pushing the kid to join the Coast Guard, thinking THEY don't end up in war zones, until I informed him the Coast Guard is pulling duty at Guantanamo.

On edit: Hi, Don!
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 09:15 AM
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29. Whats happening Divernan? Good to see you
Tell the dad that the US Coast Guard is in Iraq too:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ned=tus&q=Coast+Guar...

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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 10:06 AM
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33. Thanks, Will do.
Edited on Fri Mar-10-06 10:09 AM by Divernan
What's happening is that I'm working on two political campaigns - one to get a Dem win for a State House seat - for one of my old lawschool classmates, Shawn Flaherty, son of former Pittsburgh Mayor, Pete Flaherty, and also working to replace Rick Santorum with Dem Bob Casey, Jr., in the US Senate.

On the diving side of my life - just had some great diving in Feb. from a sailboat in the BVI. Saw humpback whales and a magnificent eagle ray, at least 6 feet across that came up to check out me and my 4 fellow divers. My dive buddy and I are going to Montserrat island (the one with the still bubbling volcano) in July, when we hope to be able to observe some of the three species of turtles which come onto the beaches to lay their eggs. Local divers tell us that during that time of year the turtles will swim along the divers on night dives, following the underwater lights. Plus there are occasionally some manta rays around. this is a really beautiful island - the part that's not covered with volcanic ash - where Sting, Paul McCartney, Elton John and Stevie Wonder used to have studios before the volcano blew. The old capitol city, Plymouth, is covered with ash - like Pompeii, and we can get a special permit to visit it, and also the scientific observatory on the island.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:52 AM
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24. trick question
neither men nor women should be forced to register.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 09:16 AM
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30. So the answer is No
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 10:16 AM
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35. Absolutely.
Equal is equal.
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OrokuSaki Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 01:54 PM
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37. Vote
Yep
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 02:00 PM
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38. Nobody should be forced to register, but as men are, so should women. n/t
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Katherine Brengle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 02:02 PM
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39. No one should have to, but if men do, women should as well. n/t
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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 02:08 PM
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41. Only after E.R.A. is passed .... nt.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 02:10 PM
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43. seconded!
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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 02:15 PM
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44. .
:toast:
:yourock:
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 02:09 PM
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42. I think we should register Republican men and women.
and especially their irritating rich kids.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 02:15 PM
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45. i'm not sure either gender should be forced to register
we have an all volunteer service so what is the point of this anyway, except some jobs for paper pushers?
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