Bush Impeachment Forum

[Independent_Liberal]

Are any of you watching Thursday's Bush Impeachment Forum on C-SPAN with John Conyers, John Dean, Elizabeth Holtzman, and Lewis Lapham? I'm enjoying the hell out of it. It has really lifted my spirits up. Conyers, Dean, Holtzman, and Lapham are saying everything like it is. There are apparently more similarities to Watergate than we thought. I guess it's hard for those who weren't around during Watergate and those who are too young to remember.

I'd like you guys to check out these predictions of mine. I call these "The Magic 20." This is the order of how I think events will unfold. Some of you are probably going to hate me for being so optimistic. I know, I know, I need shot for being so positive about everything. :) My buddy autorank told me to post these. He did a great job of breaking them all down for me and giving his thoughts. autorank, you know what you're talking about.

Here it goes:

1. The Justice Department appoints a Special Prosecutor for the Abramoff case. Jack blows the whistle on several Republican leaders in the House, Senate and Executive Branch. Hastert, Ney, Rohrabacher, Doolittle, Burns, Cornyn, Blunt, etc. are all indicted.

2. Frist is indicted for his inside trading.

3. Rove is indicted on treason charges by Fitzgerald in the CIA Leak investigation.

4. Ken Lay is convicted and the Enron case finds its way to the White House.

5. Some unsavory information about the deals with Halliburton and Carlyle comes out of Portgate.

6. A few whistleblowers step forward at the open and closed door NSA and Able Danger hearings and more interesting info is revealed.

7. More damaging info is revealed at the Katrina hearings.

8. Cheney is indicted on charges relating to Plame, AIPAC, Halliburton and the Energy Commission cover-up and is forced to resign.

9. Congress forces Bush to appoint McCain as Vice President.

10. An Independent Commission to investigate the NSA wiretaps is set up.

11. Sibel Edmonds takes her case with the Justice Department on FBI cover-ups to one of the Federal courts.

12. Democrats win back the House and Senate in the November elections.

13. January 2007, the new Congress is sworn in (with Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House and John Conyers as House Judiciary Committee Chairman).

14. Conyers sets up a House Select Fact Finding Committee to investigate everything (DSM, Plame, AIPAC, Abramoff, Enron, Halliburton, Carlyle, NSA, Coingate, Election Fraud, 9/11 cover-ups, Katrina response, etc.). Hearings begin and several whistleblowers from the FBI, CIA and NSA step forward.

15. The Senate sets up an investigative committee and a Special Prosecutor is appointed. Senate hearings begin and Sibel Edmonds, Russell Tice, Richard Clarke and James Comey all step forward to testify.

16. All the corrupt Republicans are given thorough ethics probes.

17. Impeachment proceedings begin.

18. A small delegation of Republican Senators go up to the White House and urge Bush to resign.

19. Bush resigns to avoid impeachment.

20. McCain is sworn in as President. He appoints George Pataki as his Vice President and Rumsfeld is replaced with Lieberman.

I'd like to hear your thoughts on my predictions.

Peace,

Independent_Liberal

:)

[existentialist]

1. Sounds too good to be true

and it probably is, but we can dream, no harm in that.

[Poiuyt]

12. It's good except for the part about john McCain becoming President

I think he's to the right of Bush

[shadowknows69]

2. The forum was brilliant

PNAC got mentioned as did a few brave souls saying "it's getting to the point people are going to overthrow government". My jaw was on the floor. Too bad no one but us news junkies are going to see it. Your predictions are definitely a possible scenario. I'm not quite as optimistic though

[FloridaPat]

3. 19&20 will never happen. * is insane. He will take the country

down before he steps down.

[autorank]

4. Well, well, well RECOMMENDED. Internal logic is flawless.

I think McCain will get the prize, the VP slot when Cheney is "resigned" after indictment.

Now the inter sting question is, who will be the McCain VP and will McCain make a Ford-like promise not to run.

I think McCain will get the nod because of his popularity. I also think he'll make the promise. Too many things might come out about him but his "savior only" promise would insulate him.

As to the McCain VP, maybe a Democrat, a moderate, DLC type; Bayh? Who knows.

I have two predictions of my own:

1) Bush will turn down so many entreaties to resign, "management" will need to use the Election Fraud charge to show his illegitimacy. This will throw things wide open.

2) I predict that around September of this year, the nation will be TOTALLY STUNNED by the revelation of 911 information that shakes us to our foundation. Mind blowing stuff that will stop Congress and cause a something close to silence for a short period followed by a public fury unlike any in our past justified.

Great stuff Independent_Liberal

[proud2BlibKansan]

14. What kind of 911 information?

[autorank]

15. That would be telling;) n/t

[proud2BlibKansan]

18. Then I guess I will have to remain doubtful

[autorank]

34. OK....here is my thinking

The acceleration of revelation lately is stunning. There is more and more of everything, including election fraud.

What's not being revealed? 911. You hear much about that in CM? Me either. You hear more about election fraud in local media weekly. National media, no go. But 911, where are the stories?

So I figure, there's a general environment of the details being revealed on all subjects, except the one that is the hottest ever, hotter than a stolen election maybe.

At some point, someone will reveal something that pulls all the focus in on this issue, it will blow our minds, and we'll end up with the impression of a massive betrayal.

A little sketchy but I'll bet you some Monopoly money that I'm right; in fact, I'll bet you Park Place and Boardwalk that I'm right.

:evilgrin:

[Liberty Belle]

5. With Diebold in control, why should we think Dems can take back the House?

[Independent_Liberal]

6. I heard Diebold might be getting out of the election business.

Did anybody else hear about that? I remember reading it on either Brad Blog or Velvet Revolution.

[Liberty Belle]

35. Wish a rich DEM would buy Diebold's election biz.

If that happened, the Repugs would pass REAL election reform quicker than you could blink!

[helderheid]

7. Rec'd! Please see my action alert! :)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x592511

[Independent_Liberal]

8. Keeping this kicked!

[bleever]

9. You took advice from "autorank"?

This so-called "autorank" is just an alias for:


*Someone who has been fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way;

*Someone who has worked tirelessly to keep the evidence of 2004 election fraud in front of everyone;

*Someone who has put his money where his mouth is and started doing serious investigative work published at scoop.com;

*Someone who is pissed off enough at the theft of democracy to not give up until the Republic is restored to its rightful order, and We The People again control the government, instead of the other way around.



:thumbsup:



:)

[Sadie5]

10. On #6

Dean mentioned that disgruntled aides and WH workers might be the key to impeachment. Dean is a smart man.

[Tommy_J]

11. Kicking and recommending

I like it!

[msgadget]

13. Do you see #9 & #20 as good things or are these just predictions?

And, Pelosi as leader is also a good thing? Just curious...

[Independent_Liberal]

20. They're just my predictions and I also see them as good things.

I personally think Pelosi will be a great House Speaker. And I think McCain would be okay acting as caretaker. He could then run in 2008 against any Democrat like Clinton, Warner, Kerry, Clark, Feingold, or Edwards and lose. Kind of like what happened with Ford when he ran against Carter in 1976. BTW, did you notice I predicted McCain will appoint Pataki as his VP? Pataki is Governor of New York. Nelson Rockefeller who Ford appointed as VP was also Governor of New York. Another New York Governor caretaker VP. :)

[msgadget]

28. I got a chance to watch the panel

last night and now I understand your predictions better, thanks. And, yeah, I was curious about you predicting Pataki as VP but now I get it. Very interesting predictions, if half come true...my fingers are crossed!

After watching this morning I searched at the NYT and on Google using various search strings including Bush, impeach, Conyers and didn't come up with one major newspaper reporting on it. Have you seen anything in the 'liberal' msm?

[Wordie]

16. K&R

[TreasonousBastard]

17. OK, with NIxon...

April '73 the Watergate shit hit the fan.

August '73 Agnew resigns after an old scandal just "happens" to resurface Good ol' boy Ford replaces him as a thoroughly noncontroversial mannequin.

Then came the runup to impeachment, which, as we know, had nothing to do with real things like, say, bombing Cambodia, but ended up being about a few minutes of blank tape

Nixon was forced into resignation in '74 by his own party, who by then had lost confidence in him, and made it clear in no uncertain terms that a resignation was better than forcing Republicans to vote to impeach and convict.


So, whatever else happens-- if we see Cheney take off for any reason, the fix is in and Shrub is out the door. I don't see McCain as the replacement, although anything's possible, but could see another Ford-like nonentity just to calm everyone down.

Pataki's an interesting choice, if he's physically OK. Kind of dorky and a proven competant caretaker.

Trouble with anyone walking into the top job like this, though, is that they might just like it too much and want to stay. That would, I suppose, be good for us since said dork would probably lose.

[Independent_Liberal]

21. Why did the Cambodia article of impeachment fail?

I could never figure that out. BTW, if it gets revealed that Bush and his gang secretly and illegally bombed Syria, let's make sure that article of impeachment gets passed through the House Judiciary Committee and doesn't fail like the Nixon Cambodia one. :)

[TreasonousBastard]

30. It's wierd, but...

makes sense in its own way.

Bombing Cambodia was a miltary and political decision that, even though it may have been "illegal" was still the sort of thing that is a decision made in the course of doing White House business. Making that an impeachable offense could cause all sorts of trouble for others making unpopular decisions. That would put into jeopardy the usual immunity from criminal prosecution most officials have for dumb mistakes and questionable judgment in the course of their jobs.

Impeachment is primarily a politcal process, but it still doesn't touch actual performance in office. It's for aacts outside of official duties.

Presumably, there would be the usual checks and balances to stop a President in his tracks from doing really stupid stuff, but, as we've seen, that doesn't always work.

So, this one has been allowed to put us in endless war and bankrupted the country while doing it. Nothing of that is impeachable because Congress let most of it happen anyway. Something else, like a blowjob maybe, or at least equivalent to lying about a blowjob or athe missing few momewnts on a tape, is necessary for an impeachment these days.

Yeah, it sounds stupid, but we gotta hang him on something besides ruining the country and starting a stupid war.

Shouldn't be too difficult to find, though, when the time is ripe to hang his nasty ass out to dry.

[grasswire]

19. I think George Allen will be appointed veep if Cheney is forced out.

And then he could possibly run with Jeb in 2008, unless the Bushes are radioactive.

I just don't think Bush will team up with McCain. Allen is known as a "Bushie" -- on the team. McCain is a maverick.

[splat@14]

22. Sounds great...What about Rice? Think McCain will pardon *?

[Independent_Liberal]

24. I wonder about that... BTW, I added a few more predictions.

I a lot of people were upset by Ford's decision to pardon Nixon. Would McCain pardon Bush? I'm not sure.

Here are a few more predictions I decided to add:

1. Bush, Pickles, Jenna and Barbara pack up and board the helicopter back to Crawford, TX.

2. Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, McClellan, Bolton, Gonzales, Chertoff, Negroponte, Card, Hadley, Abrams, Perle, etc. all resign. Several of them later face criminal charges and indictments from grand juries on matters relating to 9/11 complicity, manipulation of Iraq intelligence, Plame, torture of prisoners, etc. Rice stays on board for a little bit longer, but then decides to call it quits. She ends up facing criminal charges as well.

3. Cheney is sentenced to prison.

4. Rove and Libby are both sentenced.

5. It is later revealed that Gore was the rightful winner of the 2000 election and Kerry won 2004 as well.

6. War Crimes Tribunals at the Hague begin in 2008 and Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Rove, Rice, Powell, Negroponte, Bolton, Gonzales, etc. are all put on trial.

7. The Democratic nominee for the 2008 election will be Kerry again after it is revealed that he was the rightful winner of the 2004 election. He runs against McCain and wins. Barbara Boxer will be Kerry's Vice President.

[splat@14]

31. These follow logic, particularly like #2. McCain may remember how

Bush treated him in the 2000 primaries and let GW stew in a low risk prison....maybe share a cell with Gannon, but I digress.

Great post!
Splat!

[capi888]

23. Bush Impeachment Forum on C-Span 2

I don't know if any of you caught this forum, but it is absolutely fabulous. Here are the articles you should read....also try to catch the repeat. It was on at 7:41 this a.m. Hope it repeats...John Conyers, John Dean, Seder is moderator.
Here are some links you can follow to find out more, in case you missed it.Elizabeth Holtzman was on the committee to impeach Nixon, Lapham, Conyers...excellent!!!!

Front page of http://johnconyers.com/ (sign his petition!)

Elizabeth Holtzman's impeachment article in The Nation
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060130/holtzman

Excerpt from Lewis H. Lapham's Case for Impeachment
http://www.harpers.org/TheCaseForImpeachment.html

[stubtoe]

25. I sure hope you're right

Reading stuff like this makes my day, but I also remember that pony I really wanted when I was a kid, too..

Guarded optimism. I'd be thrilled to get even 1/4 of these.
Thanks for posting

[bleever]

26. Kick.

[texpatriot2004]

27. I like your list, especially 12 and 13. Not sure about 20 though...

all in all, good job and I think you are on to something

[understandinglife]

29. Well done! Recommended.

Peace.

[KAT119]

32. K&R! Though NOT McCain-total shapeshifter-psychologically damaged!

Also glad to see that you think we will all still be alive by next Sept.- after Iran nukes create WW3. Planetcide!

[spanone]

33. You have to factor in that Bush* will wiretap & blackmail all enemies

he has that power. unfettered.