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philarq Donating Member (273 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 08:32 PM
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When does the time come to form Left wing-Militia groups?
Is there a point where we just get fed up and start living in armed compounds?---I am reaching that point.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 08:34 PM
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1. Why not just take over rich people's gated communities? n/t
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philarq Donating Member (273 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 08:39 PM
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4. I think its a militia requirement to ---
have a couple of near feral barking dogs chained up in the back yard, and a camaro and or pickup on blocks in the front yard. ---Many gated communities would have a problem there.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 08:39 PM
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5. A la 'Firewall'...those gates can keep people in, too.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 08:37 PM
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2. I'll leave the country first. nt
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philarq Donating Member (273 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 08:41 PM
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7. and go where?
I dont want to leave--I've been most other places, and lived in a few and unlike most people I chose to become an American.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 09:08 PM
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23. I haven't lost all hope, yet, but...
...I'm scared. I'd rather raise my family in a socialist country than in a fascist dictatorship, as my country may be becoming. I don't know where we'd go, for sure, but I'm thinking Canada or a country in Europe.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 08:42 PM
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8. I'll go with you.
Redstone
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ChristianLibrul Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 08:45 PM
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11. "leave the country first"
If you abandon your country when it needs you, good riddance.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 08:55 PM
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16. I'm sure there are those who escaped Nazi Germany
who will disagree with your assesment. You might be suprised by the amount of gun owners here in DU. many owners and collectors here, also.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 09:03 PM
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19. Well, aren't you pleasant...
...and so "liberal" with your assumptions and accusations. :eyes:
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 09:05 PM
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20. Welcome to DU ChristianLibrul. Very good point. Besides, what place
is safe from them?
:hi:
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 09:09 PM
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24. Ah, but you: YOU are a True Patriot.
Tell me, does your Armed America have any place for non-Christians?

Redstone
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 08:38 PM
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3. I've been saying this to DUers for
at least 6 months, probably since the 2004 "election". I also think starting communal compounds, with or without a militia, might be a good idea. The economy is gonna tank by this fall, and we all better have gardens and be raising animals for meat and eggs and such.
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ChristianLibrul Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 08:44 PM
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9. with or without militia
They have guns, we need guns.  Period.  Accept that, and start
learning how to defend yourself when they come for you.

ChristianLibrul
http://notinmybible.blogspot.com
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 09:12 PM
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26. Have you looked into Ecovillages? Link:
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 08:44 PM
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10. Oh, boy. There's our answer, all right: We'll just become violent nutcases
like they are!

What a wonderful and well-thought-out solution.

Redstone
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philarq Donating Member (273 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 08:47 PM
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12. I dont think thats the case---
I see it more as protection of freedom--If someone drags me out of my house one night, I want to be able to have a defence --Is that wrong?--and if it is the Republican army dragging me out to foce me into the christian re-education camp---yes, I will fight back.
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ChristianLibrul Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 08:49 PM
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14. "yes, I will fight back"
What are you doing to prepare to fight back?  You need a rifle
and a pistol for everyone in your household.
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ChristianLibrul Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 08:47 PM
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13. "like they are"
How is defending onesself becoming "like they are?" 
If you believe you're safe, tell it to the German Jew WWI
veterans who vanished into Hitler's death camps in the 1930s.
 One day, they thought they were safe.  Next day, they were
lampshades and soap.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 08:53 PM
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15. Oh, balls. You're talking about us turning into those skinhead meltdowns
out in Idaho.

I'm not going to do that. Period. It's undignified, degrading, and just plain stupid.

PS: If the Jews in Germany had had guns, it wouldn't have helped them. And thinking it would have is a pure fantasy. Just like your fantasy...if "they come for you," don't you think they'll have more guns than you do? How many people have barricaded themselves in a house with their guns and held off the cops long enough that the cops just gave up and went away?

Pure wet-dream gun-nut fantasy. Ain't gonna happen. You'll never have more guns than the government does.

Redstone

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philarq Donating Member (273 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 08:57 PM
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17. So you advocate the lay-back-and-enjoy-it defence?
I just can not agree to that---That is just defeatism
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 09:07 PM
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21. What, you got tanks? The government has tanks. You'll never
be able to beat them on a basis of force.

Did Ghandi use force? No. Did he win? Yes.

The whole "Ah'm gone git me some GUNS and Ah'll jis fight off them revenooers" mindset is stupid. The rightwingers have tried it more than once, and lost every time.

As would you. One more time: They have more guns than you do.

Redstone
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Minnesota Libra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 09:07 PM
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22. ChristianLibrul, I'll at least check out the link before.......
.....I start with how crazy you are and then I'll make a decision as to how useful the info is. :toast:
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 09:02 PM
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18. it's a very bad idea, it will be called "sedition"
a resistance to an illegal occupation or internal dictatorial takeover must be done by a resistance underground. Militias are neat, but their primary function can only be to back up a regular army or be used as a new police force when a revolution is over, or at least in its bursting stage...

militias created against a power with overwhelming force are heroic but mostly lose in the end (and give a good reason to the dictatorship to clamp on any dissenter, even the peaceful ones...

normally a legal democratic opposition uses legal means to fight first, maybe with civil disobedience...

most of the time they are brought down with violence when the dictatorship becomes open. Then normally an uderground resistance is created but often it is too late and they cannot really succeed without foreign professional help...

the key to avoid a a dictatorial overtake is to organize a MASS movement through different organisations, unions etc... provide help to people in need so the people protects the so far legal resistance...

the problem is that very few democrats have a clue how to do it, not to talk about experience... there is no massparty tradition in the US since the labor movement was eliminated in the early nineties. And you can't always count on some FDR to show up at the right moment...
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 09:10 PM
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25. Ghandi, King, Mandella, Beko
the template is there

it works.
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 09:12 PM
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27. Locking
We would appreciate it if users did not post anything that might be misconstrued as calling for a violent overthrow of the government. Thank you.
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