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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 07:19 PM
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Remember this and embrace it: We are ALL Liberals!
Edited on Sat Mar-04-06 07:37 PM by Clarkie1
Folks, the conservatives are wounded and running scared. Yet, we are still acting as if WE are ashamed of who we are and what we stand for. WE ARE ALL LIBERALS. I dont care if youre what part of the political spectrum you find yourself.moderate, progressive, far-left, third-party, whatever. Anyone who posts on DU as a part of this community (in other words, everyone except the trolls) is a LIBERAL by definition.

We must reclaim our heritage, and be proud of it. The conservatives have redefined the word because in its original, true meaning is their greatest nemesis and greatest fearfear of enlightenment. We need to take back the power, and take back the word. Liberal is NOT a political platform; its a way of thinking, a philosophy of life, an ode to reason, and a longing for truth. Its the only hope for the survival of the human race. We have to be very clear on this: liberals are and always have been the only hope for the survival of the human race. Only if we truly understand this truth can we transform our society and our planet. Words have power. If we run away from this word, we do more than run away from ourselves; we castrate ourselves. The term progressive is nothing more than a castrated, timid redefinition of who we truly are. Its dangerous, and we ought to do away with the term except in a context defining correctly the word "liberal." If we once again embrace the word "liberal," it will tranform into a word and force more powerful than all than any of the right-wing talk-show or t.v. hosts can possible imagine. It will disarm them.

A Liberal Definition by John F. Kennedy:
Acceptance Speech of the New York ?Liberal Party Nomination
September 14, 1960

What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label "Liberal?" If by "Liberal" they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer's dollar, then the record of this party and its members demonstrate that we are not that kind of "Liberal." But if by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal."

This is my political credo:
I believe in human dignity as the source of national purpose, in human liberty as the source of national action, in the human heart as the source of national compassion, and in the human mind as the source of our invention and our ideas. It is, I believe, the faith in our fellow citizens as individuals and as people that lies at the heart of the liberal faith. For liberalism is not so much a party creed or set of fixed platform promises as it is an attitude of mind and heart, a faith in man's ability through the experiences of his reason and judgment to increase for himself and his fellow men the amount of justice and freedom and brotherhood which all human life deserves.

I believe also in the United States of America, in the promise that it contains and has contained throughout our history of producing a society so abundant and creative and so free and responsible that it cannot only fulfill the aspirations of its citizens, but serve equally well as a beacon for all mankind. I do not believe in a superstate. I see no magic in tax dollars which are sent to Washington and then returned. I abhor the waste and incompetence of large-scale federal bureaucracies in this administration as well as in others. I do not favor state compulsion when voluntary individual effort can do the job and do it well. But I believe in a government which acts, which exercises its full powers and full responsibilities. Government is an art and a precious obligation; and when it has a job to do, I believe it should do it. And this requires not only great ends but that we propose concrete means of achieving them.

Our responsibility is not discharged by announcement of virtuous ends. Our responsibility is to achieve these objectives with social invention, with political skill, and executive vigor. I believe for these reasons that liberalism is our best and only hope in the world today. For the liberal society is a free society, and it is at the same time and for that reason a strong society. Its strength is drawn from the will of free people committed to great ends and peacefully striving to meet them. Only liberalism, in short, can repair our national power, restore our national purpose, and liberate our national energies. And the only basic issue in the 1960 campaign is whether our government will fall in a conservative rut and die there, or whether we will move ahead in the liberal spirit of daring, of breaking new ground, of doing in our generation what Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman and Adlai Stevenson did in their time of influence and responsibility.

http://www.liberalparty.org/JFKLPAcceptance.html

I am a liberal. We live in a liberal democracy.... You know, this country was founded on the principals of the Enlightenment.... It was the idea that people could talk, reason, have dialogue, discuss the issues. It wasnt founded on the idea that someone would get stuck by a divine inspiration and know everything right from wrong. I mean, people who founded this country had religion, they had strong beliefs, but they believed in reason, in dialogue, in civil discourse. We cant lose that in this country. Weve got to get it back. -Wes Clark

Edit:

There is something else re-embracing the word will do for our nation and our world. It will help us unite. What divides us is petty; what unites us is strong. "United we stand, divided, divided we fall" is more than an old cliche.

It's the truth.

So, when in the coming months and years the "sibling rivalries" start to intensify, remember we are part of the same family, a LIBERAL family.

Thanks :-)
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 07:33 PM
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1. Sending beer/wine/poi/kalua pig/ fish/ flowers/ hula girls.....
Ya got it RIGHT

Open Mindedness is where its at...Not like the Pubs Narrow view and closed minds.
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Katherine Brengle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 07:42 PM
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2. i really needed this tonight -- thank you!
:grouphug:
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Minnesota Libra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 07:49 PM
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3. Wow, I think WE ALL needed that. THANK YOU and yes.....
.....I'm dam proud to be a liberal!! :hug: :toast: :bounce: :grouphug: :yourock:
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InvisibleTouch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 07:52 PM
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4. A relevant quote:
"A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel." - Robert Frost


I came across it today while leafing through a magazine, and I immediately thought of DU and our elected officials. A lot of us have the impulse to show respect for alternate points of view (even when they're idiotic, hostile to everything we strive for, and outright dangerous), but the rethugs use that against us. We had better start "taking our own side" without hesitation or apology.
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 07:52 PM
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5. Bring back the enlightenment! (Liberal and proud of it.) Recommended.
Edited on Sat Mar-04-06 07:53 PM by Wordie
Although I must add I have no particular problem with the word "progressive" either.
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 09:36 AM
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14. It is not the choice of terminology.
It is the open minedness that used to characterize liberals and progressives.
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 01:02 PM
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18. Oh, I think true liberals and progressives still have that open-mindedness
Edited on Sun Mar-05-06 01:52 PM by Wordie
They've never lost it. So do "lefties," Coastie.

The problem comes when ANYONE redefines "open-mindedness" into "agreement with my beliefs, which of course, are the only correct ones," and then thinks that anyone who can't see their own particular POV, who sees things differently, is therefore closed-minded. Not only that, but heretical.
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 01:10 PM
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20. Can one be a Liberal or Progressive
Edited on Sun Mar-05-06 01:11 PM by Coastie for Truth
without subscribing to the entire International Answer - International Solidarity Movement meme?
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 01:41 PM
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21. Of course. It's a big tent, as they say. Now here's one for you:
Edited on Sun Mar-05-06 01:46 PM by Wordie
Can one be a liberal or progressive while at the same time disparaging and insulting "lefties" and "liberals" who disagree with any particular postition they may hold? And I'm not asking about the disparaging of any actual position, I'm asking about the specific disparaging of someone on the basis of "leftie" thoughts and beliefs.
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 01:45 PM
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22. Depends
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 01:47 PM
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23. On whether the person agrees or not? eom
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 02:12 PM
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25. No
It depends on whether th discussion will be diverted into another endless I/P discussion
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 03:47 PM
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26. On the contrary, I'm asking a far broader question, which applies to
Edited on Sun Mar-05-06 03:54 PM by Wordie
any issue with which any particular liberal might have an opinion about. Can one be an open-minded liberal, and still bash other liberals who don't agree (either with the person's I/P opinions, or any other opinions), by ridiculing their views as being "leftie"? Or by making generally disparaging comments about liberals?

It doesn't really matter what the underlying issue may be; I just start getting very confused when I see this type of attack on "liberals" and "lefties" here on DU - and I mean anywhere, not just I/P.

:shrug:

Whatever the topic, by making "liberals" or "lefties" objects of disdain, it tends to play right into the attitude, mentioned in the OP, which has led to "liberal" being a bad word.
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 04:51 PM
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28. Well
Edited on Sun Mar-05-06 05:00 PM by Coastie for Truth
In the terms of our normal battle ground -
    I support a two state solution of I/P with two economically viable democracies, side by side, with Marshall Plan type development.

    I do not support boycotts of any kind - be they disinvestments, employment (of Palestinians in Israel, of Jews in Saudi Arabia or Gaza or Dubai, ...)

    I do not support the vicious ad hominems on either Dershowitz or Finkelstein (don't get me started on capital punishment or the innocence project versus Dershowitz's other stands).

    Compensation for displaced Palestinians -- but if it becomes a cause celeb then the Jews Indigenous to the Middle East and North Africa must also be recognized.


On traditional liberal issues -- and you can search DU for my posts.

    I do not support Bush's aggressive war of American and Iraqi blood for Iraqi oil.

    I support:
      a technologically aggressive program to wean us from foreign oil, including forced conservation, a more urban directed housing and transit policy (I am a shade to the right of Berkeley's Stu Cohen). I support bio fuels, wind power, solar power, NUCLEAR POWER (Google Ivan Itkin - I was one of his volunteers).

      pre-K through post-doc public education, hopefully tuition free.

      Single payer, universal health care.

      Stem cell research, teaching of evolution

      Choice. - Safe, legal, rare.

      Strict enforcement of the Civil Rights laws, the 1964 law, Americans With Disabilities, Age Discrimination, Family & Medical Emergency Leave, --- all the laws Alito wants to kill.

      Pro-worker members of the National Labor Relations Board and strict enforcement of workplace safety laws.

      And I am an active, dues paying, fund raising member of the American Civil Liberties Union - and I contribute to the Palestinian Red Crescent Society.


The one attack I make against "Liberals" and "Lefties" and "Progressives" - and you can find it using the "Search Function" - is against those who say "I will not support the nominee of the Party in the General Election."

Sorry-
I remember that line in 1968 against Humphrey because he was too late breaking with LBJ. So we got Nixon.

I remembr that line in 2000 against Gore - "Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dee - Don't Make No Difference - I'll Cast a Protest Vote for Nader" So we got W.

And I hear it now with respect to Feinstein. If that's your attitude - put a Dan Lungren sticker on your car and be prepared for Frist or Jebbie to nominate John Yoo to SCOTUS.

That is where I will criticize Liberals, Lefties, and Progressives.




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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 05:39 PM
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29. Hmmm...so you are agreeing attacks on "lefties" are unacceptable on DU?
I wasn't really asking for all that personal information; I was asking if attacks on "lefties" were either "open-minded," or acceptable on DU."
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 07:58 PM
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6. Do we have anyone that can hold a candle to Kennedy?
Russ Feingold, maybe?
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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 08:11 PM
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7. Now would be an excellent time for Leaders in the Democratic Party
To rise up to rebut the Right Wing smear on the word "liberal," by reminding all Americans exactly what all they have received and benefited from, with the many Liberal Democratic Ideals that people enjoy today.

After the Republicans and their Corporate Masters have re-defined the word "liberal" the last 25 years to mean a dirty word to the American People, perhaps now would be a good time to set the record straight on what "liberal" has really meant for the average American the last seventy years.
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 08:19 PM
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8. I like the word Democrat, but, liberal is nice, so is progressive
And when the repubs ridicule the Dems for not being able to agree the first thing that pops into my mind is, hey, only sheep follow blindly. Dems are rational thinking people as a general rule. Life experiences add to the thinking process. We are capitalist yet believe our government must work for us not control us. Corporations have made this country strong but without controls they have the ability to destroy us, therefore, Democrats care first and foremost about the condition of our democracy.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 08:25 PM
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9. Liberal is a more powerful word.
Edited on Sat Mar-04-06 08:55 PM by Clarkie1
Don't get me wrong, I'm a Democrat.

But "liberal" is a more powerful word it encompasses than a single political party or platform. "Liberal" defines all forward-looking, open-minded, truth-seeking people. We liberals need to take it back.

If the Democratic Party is to win, it will win by being a LIBERAL party.

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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 08:25 PM
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10. Well said, I love this part
Liberal is NOT a political platform; its a way of thinking, a philosophy of life, an ode to reason, and a longing for truth.

great post!
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AngelAsuka Donating Member (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 08:26 PM
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11. Much needed here too
Thank you Clarkie, that was so very well put... :yourock:

K&R. :)
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 08:59 PM
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12. I wish an addendum: Open Mindedness gives the Best Odds for
the Best Solutions....

Closed/narrow minds gives us POOR ODDS....i:e BushCo./Pubs who elected him
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 09:37 AM
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15. Open mindedness moved from vitrue to a sign of weakness
during VietNam - and never came back.
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 05:59 AM
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13. I always just considered myself to be a 'common sense' person...
which is why I'm a liberal. :) Common sense.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 09:38 AM
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16. Great LTTE in my paper today re: Liberals
http://www.sptimes.com/2006/03/05/Pasco/Brown_Waite_off...

Brown-Waite offers no real help to troops

<snip>
No, Ms. Brown-Waite, the liberals are not against our soldiers; they are against a now-protracted war that is going nowhere. But we liberals do want to show our appreciation for their sacrifices, war-contracted diseases, maimed bodies and irreparable psychological disorders brought on by this war.

In addition to wanting to bring our soldiers back to their homes and families, we liberals want to make certain their futures will be lived with dignity and they will not have to suffer the shame and neglect of our existing roll of neglected veterans. We want to make sure they don't join the ranks of the uncounted thousands of living veterans who are now suffering from the ravages of past wars.

This is the liberal mind Ms. Brown-Waite won't dare to acknowledge. Will she try to put legislation through to make possible the kind of medical help and financial remuneration these soldiers will deservedly be seeking when they come home? Will she also include in that legislation the present vets she so smilingly pinned medals on with such political bravura?

If not, then she is as much a hypocrite as the other politicians who have turned their backs on our present and soon-to-be vets.


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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 09:49 AM
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17. The Liberal Record
Whenever anyone tries to bash me by calling me a liberal, I always counter with the liberal record. Please add to this anything you can think of:

Liberals declared America's independence from Great Britain
Liberals wrote the Constitution and Bill of Rights
Liberals demanded an end to the slave trade in this country
Liberals were responsible for the end of slavery
Liberals created National Parks
Liberals gave women and minorities the right to vote
Liberals ended the Great Depression
Liberals created Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid
Liberals ended segregation
Liberals wrote IDEA and ADA
Liberals passed laws to protect workers, and end child labor


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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 01:10 PM
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19. Liberalism RRRRRAWWWWWWWKSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!
And so does progressivism.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 01:54 PM
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24. The image of "liberal" is improving
Hello.
I am definitely a liberal, always have been, and I have never allowed the media's nasty concocted "image" of liberals to lower my self-esteem. The media latched onto a hateful, derogatory shaming of all that is liberal. "The Liberals" with a look of disgust on reporters' faces. The negative campaign worked-- for a long time. The word "liberal" was like Pavlov's bell. Just say the L word, for instant disapproval. L word was a successful Ad-Hominem attack. I say Was, in emphasis.

The negative campaign isn't working the way it used to. Some people will always be slow to catch on to the zeitgeist, so for some backwoods ninnies, they can still hurl the L word around as insult. (Those people also kept their mullet hair until 2003).

I also like "progressive".
Not all Democrats are liberals, but I think you know that already.
:)
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 03:49 PM
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27. Beautifully said.
Thank you!

:applause:
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