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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 10:05 AM
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AP: Lethal 'Flying Gunships' Used In Vietnam Secretly Moved to Iraqi Base
Lethal flying gunships returning to Iraq
AP: Armed airplanes used in Vietnam War secretly moved to Iraqi base

Charles J. Hanley / AP
In a secretive operation, heavily armed gunship versions of C-130 transport planes like these at an airbase in southern Iraq, on Wednesday, are being shipped to Iraq.


Updated: 8:14 p.m. ET March 3, 2006
AN AIR BASE IN IRAQ - The U.S. Air Force has begun moving heavily armed AC-130 airplanes the lethal flying gunships of the Vietnam War to a base in Iraq as commanders search for new tools to counter the Iraqi resistance, The Associated Press has learned.

An AP reporter saw the first of the turboprop-driven aircraft after it landed at the airfield this week. Four are expected.

The Iraq-based special forces command controlling the AC-130s, the Combined Joint Special Operations Task Force, said it would have no comment on the deployment. But the plans general outline was confirmed by other Air Force officers, speaking anonymously because of the sensitivity of the subject.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11657894
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 10:07 AM
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1. "Puff the Magic Dragon"
Is I believe what we called them then.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 02:55 PM
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19. Puff morphed into Spectre
Puff the Magic Dragon was an AC-47 (DC 3) that was loaded with just searchlights and three 7.62 Gatling guns. In Vietnam the AC-47 (Puff) were effective till the North Vietnamese started to bring in Russian 50 caliber guns which could out range the 7.62 Gatling in the AC-47s.

These AC-130's (Spectre or Spooky) have 40mm cannon (40mm Bofors) and 105mm cannon along with 20 or 25mm machine guns and loaded with a ton of electronic Countermeasures . Indiscriminate carnage in spades.

Interesting read on AC-130H Spectre and AC-130U Spooky:

http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/ac-130.htm
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 10:09 AM
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2. One Pass Leaves One Round In Every Square Foot Of A
Football Field.

No place to run - No Place to hide.

Are you proud of America Now?
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 10:15 AM
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6. Seriously?
Wow.
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 12:07 PM
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18. Seriously
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 10:13 AM
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3. These aren't for offense.
They are for laying down overwhelming suppressive fire during a retreat.


Think about that.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 10:15 AM
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5. against an army I would assume
Edited on Sat Mar-04-06 10:16 AM by leftchick
and since they are not currently fighting an army it will be used on anything that moves.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 10:33 AM
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8. They are fighting an army
They are fighting the former Iraqi Army. Its ordinance and command structure are nearly intact.
And this army will (in the time honored fashion) use the withdrawal of American troops as an excuse for target practice.

If you think the insurgents don't have heavy artillery squirrelled away for just such an occasion, you haven't been watching our adversary closely enough.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 10:56 AM
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16. they are a guerrilla 'army'
mixed in the civilian population. That was my point. A lot of innocents will be killed if they are used the way you describe.
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 10:37 AM
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9. They're for offense and defense.
It is likely they are planned to eradicate any problems that may arise anywhere near US controlled areas. All it takes is for the aircraft's computer system to be programmed on the location. Once it makes a pass, everything in an area the size of a football field is dead, inside a building or not.
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 10:44 AM
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13. There used to be some footage of them killing folks as they
Edited on Sat Mar-04-06 10:49 AM by lectrobyte
left a building. I suppose they could be used for overwhelming fire during a retreat, but in this case they were orbiting and taking out "suspected terrorists". I'm having trouble figuring why you think they aren't for offense? It hardly seems like a defensive weapon at all to me.

My computer is not cooperating on playing video, but I think this is the clip I was thinking of:

http://www.ifilm.com/filmdetail?ifilmid=2460146&cch=16
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 10:51 AM
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15. Yep.These Would Be Useful For Countering Massed Attacks On Fire Bases
Sounds like somebody thinks things are about to get interesting down in Dogpatch.

Appears that the Pentagon was a lot more nervous about last weeks 'troubles' than they let on.

In other words, it's a huge shit sandwich, and we're all gonna have to take a bite.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 03:05 PM
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20. We had 'Puff' helping us in February '69 and we sure weren't retreating
In fact, it's where/when Levitow got his MoH.

http://www.homeofheroes.com/moh/citations_living/vn_af_...
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GregD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 10:14 AM
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4. AC 130's too
I saw stories that AC 130's are arriving there as well. Hmmm....
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 10:27 AM
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7. The return of Spectre....
Edited on Sat Mar-04-06 10:28 AM by Aviation Pro
...Spooky, Puff, etc. One mean, mothereffing machine (check out the false-Khristian warrior use of Luke):



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Southern Marylander Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 10:38 AM
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10. not really a good thing but
How secret can it really be if it is being discussed here?

any guess how long it will take the rest of the world to like us again after the last 8 years?
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 10:41 AM
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11. You can see one at work here.
http://www.nata2.info/?path=war

I caution you, the AC-130 footage is disturbing, and there is other disturbing footage on that site.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 10:42 AM
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12. a friend from high school was a gunner on a dragon
they would sleep most of the day then get high smoking vietnamese and cambodian grass. he loved to watch all the pretty tracers and explosions... i`m not sure what the hell they would target in iraq other than civilians
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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 10:49 AM
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14. Just can't wait to kill a lot of innocent people in Iraq. Genocide?
Will someone step up and say what it really is?
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 11:02 AM
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17. These things are armed with howitzers
This is a fine weapon system if you want to kill people wholesale...unfortunately for the Spectre crews, the Old Iraqi Army is using tactics that guarantee we'll kill far more noncombatants with this plane than we do Iraqi soldiers.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 03:11 PM
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21. "Winning hearts and minds" by murdering people. Worked well in Vietnam.
They better be move some more helicopters in for the victory parade off the embassy roof. Those geniuses at the Pentagon never learn.
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Clara T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 08:31 PM
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22. kicked and Recommended- Need More
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