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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 02:32 AM
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who is your favorite Republican?
Edited on Sat Mar-04-06 02:35 AM by Syrinx
Anybody. Politician, or Republican celebrity.

My pick has to be Lyle Lovett. He has written some of the most hilarious lyrics ever. So even though he is severely misguided, Lyle Lovett has got to be my favorite Republican.

(I was trying to include a funny caricature of Lyle, but it says that the image contained an illegal code. I'm a computer programmer, yet I don't know what exactly that means.)
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 02:33 AM
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1. Ron Paul
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 02:37 AM
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4. yeah, I'm fond of him too
I disagree with him on a lot of things, but he's a man of principle, and will call a crook a crook. :thumbsup:

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philarq Donating Member (273 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 02:57 AM
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20. Is Ron Paul a Repub this week?
I thought it was Libertarian Anarchist week....---and I'll put in a vote for him too---he's one that will make you scratch your head and mutter to yourself, he is.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 02:33 AM
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2. My boss.
Because he pays me money, even if he is moderately insane.
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SofaKingLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 02:36 AM
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3. Hmmmmm..
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 02:39 AM
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5. Hmmm....Maybe Controversial....
But Richard Nixon. I found room in my heart to forgive the man towards the end of his life and believed that he actually wanted to do good....
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 02:43 AM
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7. I'd pick Barry Goldwater over Nixon
But I do feel a little sorry for Nixon. He was a bad man. Racist and anti-Semitic. But I think he was truly mentally ill.
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 02:44 AM
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10. The guy was practically a liberal
EPA, clean air & water acts, depts. of education and energy, trade deal w/ China, arms control pact w/ the USSR...

*sigh* Who'd have thought I would look fondly at a guy like Nixon? How far in the crapper ARE we?
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 03:08 AM
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24. And he was actually an Intelligent Person...
He attended Duke University. At least Nixon had a concisions unlike the Chimp....
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 03:43 AM
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34. Well, there's "attended" and then there's "attended."
Shrub's curriculam vitae is pretty tight, once one discounts the fact that he's a fucking moron.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 02:41 AM
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6. Pete McCloskey
Edited on Sat Mar-04-06 02:45 AM by BrotherBuzz
He came out of retirement to run against Pombo in California's eleventh district. 78 years young, and he's pissed at what the neocons have done to his party! I support him up through the primaries and I hope he knocks the shit out of Pombo!
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 02:44 AM
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8. Yes, he's talkin' a good show.
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 02:44 AM
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9. I'm not familiar with him
But going by your description, sounds like a good guy.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 02:57 AM
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21. Some say he's to the left of most Democrates in washington DC these days!
Kelpie Wilson sits down with Pete McCloskey in Lodi, California, to ask
him a few questions about his race against the most anti-environmental
congressman in history, Richard Pombo. McCloskey is challenging Pombo
in the Republican primary, adding a lot of spice to the race, which
includes three Democratic challengers as well.

Republican Pete McCloskey Talks about GOP Corruption and the Environment
By Kelpie Wilson
t r u t h o u t | Interview



Tuesday 28 February 2006

On February 12, I sat with Pete McCloskey at a public park in Lodi, California, to ask him a few questions about his race against the most anti-environmental congressman in history, Richard Pombo. Mc Closkey is challenging Pombo in the Republican primary, adding a lot of spice to the race, which includes three Democratic challengers as well.



Note: Parts of this interview will appear in an upcoming program on Free Speech TV: SourceCode Episode 3 - Enemies of the Environment. SourceCode teams up with TruthOut to give you the scoop on the biggest threats to preserving our country's public lands, endangered animals, and last wild spaces. Tune into Free Speech TV, Dish Network Ch. 9415, Sunday, March 5, at 9 a.m. and noon, or Monday, March 6, at 8 p.m. or 11p.m. (all times Eastern). Visit sourcecode.freespeech.org to view past shows.



Kelpie Wilson: What was your greatest accomplishment for the environment when you were in Congress in the 1960s and '70s?



Pete McCloskey: I suppose I tried to protect a few porpoises when the tuna fishermen were catching the porpoises in their nets. We tried to reduce the taking of endangered whale species, something my opponent Mr. Pombo now supports the increase of. Japanese whaling is one of the issues between me and him.



KW: What about the Endangered Species Act? What was your role in that?



McCloskey: Well, perhaps the greatest achievement, and we didn't know it at the time, was we held an Earth Day in 1970, and out of that Earth Day a lot of students got involved in saving the environment, or trying to. They listed 12 of my colleagues, the Dirty Dozen, and took out seven of them in the next election. The result was, when Congress convened in January 1971, everyone was now an environmentalist. They had seen a new force, college students, who favored the environment. Out of those next four years, we passed the Clean Water Act, Clean Air Amendments, the Endangered Species Act, the Marine Mammal Protection Act, the Estuary Protection Act, the Coastal Zone Act; all of those came through my subcommittee, Fish and Wildlife, a subcommittee which is now under Pombo's jurisdiction as chairman as the House Resources Committee.



KW: So the ESA is now 34 years old, and even environmentalists agree that some changes are needed. Pombo wrote and passed a reform bill through the House. What is in that bill?



McCloskey: If it passes in the form that Mr. Pombo got it though his committee, it would gut the ESA, and it would gut the whole scheme of protection for endangered and threatened species. Pombo announced that this was nothing new; he wrote a book in 1995 saying that he wanted to abolish the Endangered Species Act. But he didn't just change those provisions that should be changed, and I can give you a few: we would like to make them more farmer friendly; we would like to make them so that, when the government gets an application to develop endangered species land, the government comes in right at the start and says you can do this or you can't do this or you have to mitigate what you're going to do. It's been hard to get though the bureaucracy.



What Pombo wants to do is make it even tougher to get through the bureaucracy. You could use the entire budget of the Fish and Wildlife Service just to pay off developers. He's put a provision in there that a developer who is restricted by endangered species concerns should be compensated for all future loss of profit for any project he might propose to develop that land. Well, he'd bankrupt the agency with that, and I think that's his purpose. Again, it's not just to end the problems of the Act, it's to abolish it or make it ineffective.



KW: Who are the top Republicans in history who've made important contributions to conservation and environmental protection?



McCloskey: The father of Republican environmentalism is Teddy Roosevelt, who, with Gifford Pinchot, started to set aside wilderness and national forests and national parks. Teddy Roosevelt Island has become a national park in the middle of the Potomac River, right across from the Watergate Hotel. Pombo wants to sell Roosevelt Island for development for residential purposes, along with fourteen other parks, one of which is in his own district, in the town of Danville. He believes that the solution to this country's ills is to take all of the public lands and turn them into private development. Well, the beauty that we have here, half of northern California, is in public lands. If you develop it, you lose the priceless privilege of kids out there that are looking for crabs or frogs or something of that kind, growing up near flowing rivers, or swamps, or tidelands, particularly the High Sierra. He's got a bill to put 18 dams in the Emigrant Wilderness. Well if you ever backpacked up there, the idea of one more dam in the High Sierra is crazy, but that's his view, and that's his belief, and that's why I'm running against him.



KW: So what are the Republican values that you represent and how are they different from Richard Pombo's?



McCloskey: In my time, we served with noble and ethical leaders: Gerry Ford, Bob Michael, John Rhodes, men of impeccable honesty. We didn't have anybody locked up for a violation of ethics. Of course we were in the minority, nobody wanted to bribe a Republican; you bribed the Democrats in those days. We had 36 or so congressmen indicted, and all but one of them was a Democrat. But now the Republicans have had the power for the last 13 years, and I believe they've been corrupted: the arrangements between Tom DeLay, the majority leader, and Jack Abramoff. Remember, Tom DeLay jumped Pombo over six other congressmen to make him chairman of the Resources Committee.



The values that we had were, first: honesty and ethics. Second: we wanted a balanced budget; we had fiscal responsibility. Pombo and his allegedly conservative friends have spent us into the greatest deficits in history, trillions of dollars in deficits. That's no Republican value. We were environmentalists of the Teddy Roosevelt theory. We believed in separation of church and state. We believed in the independence of the Supreme Court not being subject to politicians. Now you've got Pombo introducing a bill ... he wants to give Congress the right to overrule Supreme Court decisions on constitutional issues. That's not a Republican value, that's almost radical. That would destroy the checks and balances that the Constitutional forefathers provided.



I suppose the worst value of all is that he wants to give away the public lands for development. My wife and I have spent half our lives, half our adult lives, trying to save special parts of California. I'll give you examples: the Bridgeport Valley over in Modoc County; the Bear Valley up in Calaveras County. We've managed to set those aside in conservation. Most recently, the Hearst Ranch, 82,000 acres. That preserves 15 miles of pristine beach. That's worth doing. It's worth preserving the remaining public lands of California, for your kids and my kids and grandchildren. Pombo wants to destroy all that. He really thinks development is the key to Northern California. You've seen what it's done in Southern California. A lot of us are fugitives from Southern California, trying to preserve the last of Northern California's open space wilderness.



KW: What he's trying to do is kind of like selling off family heirlooms to pay the rent.



McCloskey: I've differed strongly with the Bush administration. It's cut back all of the money for the parks and the forests. They want to put snowmobiles in Yosemite. What they want to do is roll back the environmental progress of 30 years, and it's just wrong. Pombo is their chief operative in doing that, so I'd like to take him out of the Congress and maybe restore a Republican value of the preservation of open space in wilderness. He thinks wilderness is bad because no people are allowed to go into the wilderness. Well, that's baloney, you go into the wilderness like Mohammed went to the mountain or Moses went into the desert. You get inspiration from the wilderness. It is not in this man to preserve and protect wilderness.



KW: Getting back to Republican values, what are the worst examples of Pombo's corruption?



McCloskey: His corruption: Here's a man, Jack Abramoff with his K Street Lobbying project, who has given all this money to Pombo - $54,500. Well, we say, what? Why Pombo? Why would Mr. Abramoff bestow this largess on Pombo? Why would Pombo's staff get these thousand-dollar seats to this skybox? What did he give up for that? We don't know the answer to that yet, the grand jury or the federal attorney hasn't told us, but one example is the Marianas Islands. Abramoff started in the 1990s to try to shield the Marianas Islands from US immigration and labor laws. A man named Willie Tan, who ran this sweatshop operation, brought in young women from all over China and Southeast Asia and the other islands, saying: "Come to America and sign this paper that you'll pay $5,000 for the privilege of going to America." Well, they got them to the Marianas Islands, which is a US trust territory, which can use the label "Made in America" on the clothing it manufactures. Pombo went to the Marianas in 2004, and suddenly gets nine contributions in the thousands of dollars from Marianas businessmen. Now why are they giving Pombo that money? Pombo absolutely refuses to investigate Abramoff and his connection with the Marianas, the sweatshops, the prostitution, and these girls being lured into coming there. Why won't he investigate it? That's what Congressional committees do when sweatshops or fraud are brought to your attention, and a man goes to jail for pleading guilty to bribing congressmen. You investigate that. Pombo won't. That's corruption.



KW: Anything else?



McCloskey: I'll tell you one other thing, that is corruption. When he put in this bill to amend the Endangered Species Act, he not only took out habitat protection but he put a provision in there to exempt farmers from using pesticides for five years in endangered species areas. We wonder: why would a California congressman do that? Then we see suddenly that he's funded in his travel, illegally, by a private foundation. He gets $23,000 from this foundation to travel, which you can't accept. He's a founding governor of the foundation; he can't deny he knew it was a private foundation. But this foundation, who is it funded by? The Japanese Whaling Association, the Association of Fur Traders - these are the guys that import elephant tusks or endangered parrots, and finally, Monsanto gave this foundation $115,000. Well, who benefits from the allowing of the use of pesticides? Monsanto. Whenever you find Pombo doing or not doing something, you chase it down to his contributors.



Big mines: He tried to get hundreds of thousands of acres of mining lands transferred to mining companies for development. Even the Congress couldn't accept that. They took it out of a bill he inserted it in privately. We have about 200,000 of those acres in Northern California; he was going to put it up for sale to mining companies. You follow his contributions: half of those were from big oil, big timber, big railroads, and big mining companies. I'm not going to take any PAC money. I may lose, because I won't get as much money as he does. I'd like to draw the distinction between congressmen who are on the take and whose positions reflect their largest contributors and those who don't. Here is Abramoff going to jail for bribing congressmen and Pombo. You ask him ... "Oh, he never lobbied me." Baloney.



KW: Why won't Pombo debate you?



McCloskey: I don't know that he won't debate me. He always speaks through spokesmen. The spokesman says: We don't want to debate McCloskey; he's way back in the 70s. Those values of his, about honesty and not being controlled by lobbyists, that's the seventies, and he's unworthy to debate. Well, if you're running for the Great Debating Society of United States, the United States Congress, I think you would want to debate your opponent. I always did. I served in the House 15 years and when someone ran against me, I'd say, I'll debate you every two weeks between now and Election Day. Let the public learn from hearing the debates. I won't say he's afraid to debate, but it looks that way.



KW: A final question. What are some of the ways that Pombo has been neglecting the district here, his own district?



McCloskey: There's the water quality in the San Joaquin River, the levees, and the strength of the levees in the Delta, most of all the traffic. Half of my old district seems to be moving from the Peninsula and the East Bay over here for affordable housing. The other morning, I drove out at 5:30 in the morning coming to Stockton on Route 580; cars were ten feet apart, four lanes abreast. At 5:30 in the morning there's an absolute traffic jam. He hasn't brought in any money to widen those highways. He really has not paid attention to this district. One child in six is getting asthma as a result of the air quality. He refuses to accept that global warming is an issue. He says that certainly automobile emissions are not creating greenhouse gases that contribute to global warming. That's a head-in-the-sand attitude for this valley, in which traffic and air pollution are crucial issues. San Joaquin County is part of the poverty belt of California. They're below poverty level, way below the average in California. He's just voted to cut Medicaid and Medicare and Head Start programs. That's not what a congressman from this district ought to be doing.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/022806A.shtml
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 03:22 AM
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27. Excellent post Syrinx!...

Pombo's career will die if given the transparency exhibited here (as it should).

Please post this info in its own thread (if you already did & some of us missed it, it couldn't hurt to post do again).





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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 03:38 AM
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32. This article was posted in the California forum
Methinks Pombo will be receiving heat from many directions as we enter the primary season. The nation will be watching this race - bank on it!
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 03:57 AM
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38. Thanks for the encouragement...

It's so hard to feel confident that the truth will come out, after five years of truth damaging government.


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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 02:45 AM
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11. Abraham Lincoln.
He was a republican when it meant something(1) and he's expired(2)
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 11:54 AM
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56. Yep. "The only good Republican is a ..."
:evilgrin:
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beltanefauve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 02:48 AM
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12. Abraham Lincoln
:shrug: Had to go way back for that one.
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 02:52 AM
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16. It's my fault, since I said "anybody"
But I meant a current, or at least recent, Republican. There's no way Lincoln could win a Republican primary these days, and this is coming from someone who thinks Lincoln's hagiography has been a bit overdone.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 02:49 AM
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13. My mother n/t
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 02:49 AM
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14. Goldwater
I got to meet him and talk about Ham Radio for about 15 minutes when I lived in Phoenix.

A very complex man, and one who's views drifted left at the end of his life.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 02:50 AM
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15. The one who cares the title "former."
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PhilipShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 02:52 AM
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17. Dwight David "Ike" Eisenhower
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 02:53 AM
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18. good pick
He warned about the mess we are in now.

Got any living picks?
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PhilipShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 03:00 AM
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22. No
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 03:28 AM
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30. Eisenhower's son, General John Eisenhower sound pretty good
President Dwight D. Eisenhower's son, John Eisenhower, says he does not recognize today's Republican Party as the one who was served by his father (1952-1960), which, in the past was synonymous with the word "responsibility". He thinks that a 440 billion dollar deficit is not responsible. Also, according to John Eisenhower, there is no responsibility in foreign affairs. He cites lost respect for America overseas and asserts that America has lost its role as "leader of the community of nations" and even, at times, insults it. The Republican Party, in the thinking of Ike's son, "has confused confident leadership with hubris and arrogance," far from Bush's father's incursion into the area to free Kuwait.

.......

Why I will vote for John Kerry for President
By JOHN EISENHOWER
Guest Commentary
Sept. 9, 2004

<snip>

As son of a Republican President, Dwight D. Eisenhower, it is automatically expected by many that I am a Republican. For 50 years, through the election of 2000, I was. With the current administrations decision to invade Iraq unilaterally, however, I changed my voter registration to independent, and barring some utterly unforeseen development, I intend to vote for the Democratic Presidential candidate, Sen. John Kerry.

The fact is that todays Republican Party is one with which I am totally unfamiliar. To me, the word Republican has always been synonymous with the word responsibility, which has meant limiting our governmental obligations to those we can afford in human and financial terms. Todays whopping budget deficit of some $440 billion does not meet that criterion.

Responsibility used to be observed in foreign affairs. That has meant respect for others. America, though recognized as the leader of the community of nations, has always acted as a part of it, not as a maverick separate from that community and at times insulting towards it. Leadership involves setting a direction and building consensus, not viewing other countries as practically devoid of significance. Recent developments indicate that the current Republican Party leadership has confused confident leadership with hubris and arrogance.

<more>


http://webarchive.unionleader.com/articles_showa.html?a...
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PhilipShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 04:31 AM
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43. Dwight D. Eisenhower on liberty and a true democracy
I write even in my own articles-- before I read this about liberty and Dwight D. Eisenhower, that without liberty -- we do not have a true democracy, and I am a liberal Democrat.

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Charlie Brown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 02:55 AM
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19. Mike Nelson of Mystery Science Theater (the TV show)
I've read in interviews that he's a rabid conservative Republican, but he was still funny as hell on the show.
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 03:02 AM
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23. haven't seen that show in a while
I noticed though, they like to pick on the band Rush. Maybe because Neil Peart turned his back on his earlier Ayn Rand allegiance? :shrug:
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 03:56 AM
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37. that sucks, I do remember him making an anti-Bill Maher comment
he still rules though.

also Kelsey grammer is now BEAST so being an X-geek I gotta go easy on him
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 11:56 AM
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59. MIKE NELSON? Say it ain't so!
:cry:
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Rocinante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 03:18 AM
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25. Don't have a favorite
Edited on Sat Mar-04-06 03:20 AM by Rocinante
They (most of them) can kiss my ugly ass. Sorry but I don't give a pass for celebrities, rich ones at that, who side with the republicans.

I do agree with the sentiments posted above about Lincoln and Eisenhower though. And Nixon. He'd be considered a fuzzy headed librul these days.
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 03:23 AM
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28. do you understand my sentiments about Lincoln?
He was a great man. He held the union together.

But a lot of people think that he cared about rights for black people. I don't think that's really true. He did what he did to quash (rightly) the rebellion, and to keep the country from splintering.

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Rocinante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 03:44 AM
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35. Yes
I agree he did what he had to do to defeat the rebellion. Sorry, I wrote out a long reply to this but decided not to post it because it was pretty nonsensical. It's pretty late for me, I'll look this up later and hopefully I can post something that makes sense.
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 03:52 AM
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36. it's pretty late for anybody I think LOL
I'm no Civil War scholar, by a long shot. I just think he's given too much liberal reverance these days. He was a great man and he did great things. I just think modern liberal orthodoxy attributes his great deeds to intentions that are more noble than reality dictates.

I hope that makes sense. You can tell I'm getting sleepy myself. ;)
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 04:03 AM
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39. I don't give a "pass" for Lyle Lovett
But I think it's possible to admire his body of work, without subscribing to his misguided political beliefs. And no matter what he says his political beliefs are (and I don't think he really has, except for stating that he is a Republican), deep down he seems more of a liberal type person to me.
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Kickin_Donkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 03:19 AM
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26. Jerry Ford
Old School Republican when Pukes were centrist. Never hurt anyone (as far as I know) except for unlucky spectators at golf tournaments. Course, he didn't serve that long.
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Chomskyite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 05:38 AM
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45. Google East Timor and "Green Light"
You'll find a pretty interesting transcript in which Ford and Kissinger tell Indonesia they can lay waste to tens of thousands of civilians and we'll keep selling them arms.
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 03:25 AM
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29. Funny how you ask because I just posted this in the Florida forum
About Miami-Dade County Mayor Carlos Alvarez, who seems to be a RINO. Right now, he is getting my vote for "favorite republican".

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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PhilipShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 05:03 AM
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44.  Mayor Carlos Alvarez, a good republican?
Edited on Sat Mar-04-06 05:12 AM by PhilipShore
I am not a lawyer - but I filed a civil lawsuit against one of the top campaign contributers for Jeb Bush and, whom was also one of the main entities that the - 9/11 terrorists - used to money launder money (about unrelated issues). That same entity has offices in Atlanta, and the Mayor of Atlanta; was cooperative and the mayor of Miami was not, when I presented my theories.

Why would you support a mayor; that will not investigate money launderers for 9/11, and thieves that routinely steal by means of the color of the law, in Miami?
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 12:17 PM
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63. Was it the mayor of the City of Miami or Miami-Dade County
Manny Diaz or Carlos Alvarez?
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 03:36 AM
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31. Thaddeus Stevens ...

Some will likely say Abraham Lincoln for reasons that are more appropriately related to Stevens. Lincoln was an okay guy, but he was an old-style Whig, rather conservative, and outside the context of the Civil War, hardly the kind of politician I would support. Stevens was a liberal, a radical, and a Republican only because, at the time, Republicans were the only party that allowed such creatures. In fact. the socially liberal thoughts Lincoln expressed were largely a result of his interaction with Stevens and people like him, i.e. Benjamin Wade, Charles Sumner, Frederick Douglass, Lyman Trumbull, etc.

I have no favorite modern Republican. The one that least annoys me is a mostly unknown OK politician that served as a state Rep. and had once dated my mother.



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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 03:43 AM
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33. you'll have to tell the story one day
About you mother and the Republican. Joe Namath once tried to pick my mother up at a bar, but I don't know his political affiliation. ;)
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Rocinante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 04:09 AM
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40. Joe Namath has tried to pick everyone's mother up at a bar
just sayin' :D
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 04:15 AM
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41. I guess you are correct about that! I heard he hit on Suzy Kolber's mom!
You're just picking on me tonight aren't you? :hi:
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DelawareValleyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 07:55 AM
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50. I don't think Namath himself knows his political affiliation.
I can't recall him ever mentioning the subject. He did somehow make it on to Nixon's enemies list, though.
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unschooler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 04:16 AM
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42. The late Gov. Tom McCall of Oregon. He was an environmentalist to
the core and left a wonderful legacy of environmental protection and planning for growth that benefits our fair state to this day.
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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 05:49 AM
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46. Joe Lieberman, at least he sometimes votes with the Dems!!
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porkrind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 06:41 AM
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47. Duke Cunningham
I like 'em behind bars. :)
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 07:38 AM
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48. Chuck Hagel doesn't make me hurl.
He doesn't have that trademark repuke smarminess.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 11:17 AM
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53. I like Lowell Weicker... but of course he no longer qualifies
left the GOP ranks long ago.

Also can stomach Warren Rudman... last I checked he still claimed GOP, but I haven't checked lately.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 07:44 AM
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49. Bill Clinton
Republican-Lite
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 10:47 AM
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51. My Aunt
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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 11:13 AM
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52. abe lincoln has the only two qualities all honorable republicans share
Edited on Sat Mar-04-06 11:13 AM by enki23
he pisses off right-wing bigots, and he's long dead.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 11:30 AM
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54. Lou Dobbs
He is supposedly a Republican although he seems way too intelligent for that to be true.
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Kber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 11:53 AM
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55. Abraham Lincoln
Edited on Sat Mar-04-06 11:56 AM by Kber
Can't think of any contemporary republicans off the top of my head.

On edit - how about Micheal Bloomberg, mayor of NYC. Anywhere else he'd be a liberal democrat.
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Road Scholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 11:54 AM
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57. Ditto! nt
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 11:54 AM
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58. Robert Duvall n/t
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 11:58 AM
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60. Ike
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Hoooweee Donating Member (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 12:07 PM
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61. Clint Eastwood
His western movies aren't very fundy-ish. I was actually surprised to learn he was a republican.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 12:13 PM
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62. Napoleon had funny pants. I liked that about him.
Edited on Sat Mar-04-06 12:18 PM by izzybeans
The complex set off by those funny pants seems to have stuck with the little Napoleon's of today. I really can't answer this question seriously.

I guess I will have to say my wife's great uncle. He's the only republican I know that likes to talk politics in an open manner. I suspect he's a RINO however because he hates war and he's a "dumb southern" lawyer (his own discreption after he one a SCOTUS case against a large insurance company) who may or may not be the muse for "A Civil Action" and "The Rainmaker". Far too humanist to be a true republican. That and his wife is a Deist, which I find fairly interesting. So yeah, he's my favorite and that is because he has no complex caused by funny pants. All that and, gasp, he voted for Gore and Kerry.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 12:18 PM
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64. any who have come to see the light n/t
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BringEmOn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 12:22 PM
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65. John Hinckley, Jr.
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