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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 12:44 AM
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my sincere condolences to lurking conservatives...
Edited on Thu Jan-05-06 12:50 AM by mike_c
...and to old school republicans. We disagree about much-- and by "we" I mean you and I-- I won't presume to speak for others on DU-- but despite our disagreements, there is much to respect in the conservative tradition, especially in its domestic incarnation. Fiscal responsibility, the importance of moral values in society, respect for the democratic republic and its founding principles, and so on. Again-- we certainly disagree on many of the details, but we also share reverence for some of the most important first principles that underlie the American experiment in democracy.

So I'm offering my condolences for the usurpation of the political party that has been your stalwart representative in American politics-- the Republican party-- by organized crime on the one hand and political radicals who have little in common with your core values on the other hand. Oh sure, the radicals are happy to share your distaste for letting gays have family values like the rest of us, and they know just how patriotic you like to feel when America is "at war," but under that veneer of patriotism they've twisted everything you really believe in. They wipe their asses with the Constitution you and your fathers fought to defend, they sell your children's' future prosperity for their pleasures today, in unbelievable excess, and they invoke your most cherished values in defense of their debasement of your core principles. But that's not the worst of it.

Worse still is the pervasive influence of venality and racketeering that has permeated the Republican party from its local roots to its national leadership. There are two faces of capitalism in America-- the "invisible hand" that Adam Smith believed worked to everyone's best interest when individuals worked to lift themselves from poverty by labor that benefited everyone around them, and the "iron fist" of the robber barons and the influence peddlers who build their empires upon the bent backs of multitudes of wage slaves, hopeful supplicants, and taxpayers. For the latter, the line between venal political maneuvering and organized crime is thin, and often hard to nail down. It gets thinner and thinner as we trod closer and closer to it, and your Republican party has trampled that line so thoroughly that no one can separate the ideologues from the criminals anymore. They have embraced one another. The Republican party, which once represented conservatism worthy of respect, even in disagreement, has become so corrupt that it no longer represents you unless you are willing to discard all decency and honor. Your party has become the party of white collar criminal thugs, the party of extortion, the party of venality, the party of individuals who succeed by tearing down their brothers and sisters rather than by leading the way toward common goals of broad prosperity for all Americans.

If the American dream means anything-- and this is one thing that I think we agree on, at least to some extent-- it must mean that every American has an equal opportunity to seek their destiny on their own terms. But the party that represents you has abandoned most Americans, including most of you. As long as the Ken Lays and Jeffrey Skillings-- and the corporations they represent-- get theirs, the Republican party believes that the system must be working. But under that veneer of the success of self-made individuals are the hundreds of thousands of Americans who MUST live in poverty, or at best desperate hand-to-mouth wage slavery, for every Ken Lay who rises to the top and illustrates the success of the system. Most of you, like most of us, are not the Ken Lays of the the world, so your political leaders shit on you just like they shit on me.

Once the Republican party became the major political institution that most wholeheartedly embraced the worst aspects of modern robber baron capitalism, it was only a small additional step to apply those principles to the party itself. The result was the entanglement of greed and power. It's an old story-- the Republican party certainly didn't originate the "culture of corruption" that Nancy Pelosi has noted, but that lack of originality is surely no comfort for conservatives who find themselves represented by organized crime bosses instead of decent Americans.

So I offer my condolences. Many of those Republican leaders and their cronies are going down. Some, like Duke Cunningham, already have. Others are either already under indictment or are revealed as so tainted by the daylight that has begun to leak into their sordid careers that they bring shame to all Americans, regardless of political persuasion. Those of you who are real conservatives, with whom I mostly disagree but nonetheless respect, deserved better than you got. I'm sorry it turned out that way.
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AverageJoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 01:19 AM
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1. I agree with you
I have friends and family members whom I love dearly who are old-school Republicans. I respect these people even as I differ from them on most of the details of the social contract.

Their party has been infiltrated and taken over by thugs and lunatics. The maddening thing is, many of those old-school Republicans don't pay enough attention to even realize that the bad guys have assumed power.
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 06:52 AM
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9. But some of us do understand who they are
and realize that the people currently in power wouldn't recognize a conservative if one walked up and bit them in the ass.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 01:29 AM
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2. Nicely done. n/t
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:20 AM
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3. Poor Margaret Chase Smith!
Poor Dwight D. Eisenhower!
Poor Abraham Lincoln!

All spinning in their graves.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:22 AM
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4. "Weakly Standard" has NO standards for journalism. Or ethics.
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 06:05 AM
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5. you speak for me! oh, and P.S....
FUCK YOU!!! REPUKE FUCKS!!!
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 06:11 AM
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6. Indeed.
Now it's time for those Republicans with any semblance of integrity to pull up their socks and walk away from the stinky cheese that has become the symbol of the GOP.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 06:11 AM
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7. Great post n/t
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 06:11 AM
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8. instead of sympathy, i offer them cheap taunts, like, get over it.
Edited on Thu Jan-05-06 06:12 AM by mopaul
great rant!
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 07:09 PM
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10. I like Ike.
Look at some of his quotes and look at his tax rates as cited in Howard Dean's
"Winning Back America" and you'll see how enlightened a moderate Republican can be.

W is a radical lunatic. He makes Nixon look honest, makes Reagan look like a liberal,
and makes Dan Quayle look like a genius.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 08:08 PM
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11. What in the world makes you think those values are "conservative"
or "liberal". Fool, those are American values.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 08:18 PM
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13. yep....
eom
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justabob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 08:26 PM
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14. Exactly. Some things really aren't partisan
... though people have done anything they possibly can to make EVERYTHING partisan. *sigh*
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 08:14 PM
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12. well stated. Americans of all politics have to come together
and face up to the unAmerican value of fear and paranoia the Bush people feed us every single day of our lives. We can place perspective on the terror threat as an important issue that must be attacked, but not something that can be compared to Hitler's 3rd Reich or spread of Communism and with it totalitarianism.

We have to all realize the 80% or more of us that are all in agreement about some basic things we feel are important in life and that this latest round of poisoned political debate needs to be attacked. We across party lines need to push all extremists and idealogues to the sidelines where they belong and get sensible leaders who are interested in freeing all of us to have our fair chance to work hard and make a good life for ourselves and our families.

We need to stop them. We Republicans need to do this and we Democrats need to do this.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 08:36 PM
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15. I'm not even really talking about "the Bush people..."
...although they are certainly part of the problem. I was talking about the Delay's, Frists, Neys, Cunninghams, etc-- the folks who've hijacked the republican party and turned it into an organized crime syndicate. The Bush gang rode in on their coattails, really, and now they're part of the organization, but there's a weird symbiosis between the WH neocons and the congressional republican crime bosses that I suspect is actually quite fragile in that it will remain extant only so long as they share common interests, and can exploit a common base. Both have abandoned legality in order to seize and exercise power, but I really don't think they seek the same essential objectives. The neocons want a police state at home and imperialist hegemony abroad-- the concentration of power through the military and domestic security organs. Congressional republicans-- all of the leadership and much of the rest of them-- want personal wealth and power, for themselves and their "class," which is to say, crony capitalism of the most abusive sort. The two objectives overlap considerably-- that's why Haliburton and Blackwater are having such fun these days, and why trillions of dollars have simply disappeared unaccountably into the Pentagon and it's projects. Personal greed and the abuse of power have always been bedfellows. But as I said, the real Bush crowd, the executive branch neocons, are a relatively recent phenomenon, while the takeover of the republican party by thugs and criminals has been gradually underway for 25 years.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 09:14 PM
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16. Quit romanticizing the GOP of the past
Once the Republican party became the major political institution that most wholeheartedly embraced the worst aspects of modern robber baron capitalism, it was only a small additional step to apply those principles to the party itself. The result was the entanglement of greed and power.

This happened well over 85 years ago. Think Harding, Coolidge, and Hoover.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 09:47 PM
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17. They're Party's Image had been Tainted by Neo-Cons...
I'll extend my condolences, as well. But to be quite frank, since childhood I'd always knew the Republican Party stood for BIG BUSINESS.

Where has it gotten most Americans:

Loss of Pensions, while BIG BUSINESS gets off without even a slap on the wrist.
Harder to File Bankruptcy for Families: While BIG BUSINESS gets off the hook.
Out-Souring of Jobs: While BIG BUSINESS makes BIG $$ investing overseas - and not in Americans.
War based on Lies: So BIG BUSINESS can make boo-coo $$ while Americans sons and daughters die, and for what noble cause?

The list goes on and on...

I'd be ashamed of my Democrat Party if they shut-out the other side of my fellow Americans, much less the aforementioned, above.
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