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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 06:20 PM
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Are you listening to 60 Minutes?
I didn't catch the nae of the guy being interviewed, but he's sure damning the port security! Good expose' and Brian Schweitzer, Dem Gov of Montana, is coming up sometime in this program too.

Worth the watch.
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 06:23 PM
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1. I was going to post on this, also! Steve Kroft.
Here's a link:
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/60minutes/main3415.shtm...

Click on Port Security Preview.
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Ptah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 06:24 PM
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2. It doesn't start for another thirty minutes.
I'm looking forward to hearing the Gov. of Montana.

montana in the spotlight
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 06:26 PM
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5. Sorry, it started at 7PM on the east coast.
I keep forgetting they may start programs at different times in different time zones.

Watch it. You'll enjoy it!
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 06:24 PM
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3. I fear criticism no longer means anything. We must rid ourselves. . .
of this Administration. There is a Hubris there that says they have made certain "arrangements" that we are not aware of that allows them to be smug in their continued power. This is neither Washington nor Lincoln; not FDR or JFK. Not Hoover nor Reagan, for that matter. What is it? In 2007, we will see it. Deutschland Uber Alles.

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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 06:25 PM
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4. Will be as soon as it's on in my time zone!
Thanks for the reminder. I tend to space out TV programing and miss a lot.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 06:27 PM
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6. Yes I am!
His name was Foley??
An ex Coast Guard Commander who has testified in front
of congress ten (?) times about port security?
He's the 'guru' of port security! per 60 Minutes....
I think I got the 'gist' of it.
I had a kid asking me questions and standing in front
of the tv screen! argh!! lol

He was saying that it's the security that's the problem.
They aren't inspecting shipping crates.
They are inspecting shipping documents!
and a new thing to me... El queda has SHIPS????
:wtf:
:omg:
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 06:34 PM
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7. It really sticks the shaft to the powers that be doesn't it!
He talked about ports being guarded by rent-a-cops, all you need to get into a port is a Ca. drivers license...no background checks, even though it's been a Fed mandate for a few years!

Lots of people watch 60 Minutes. I'm very glad they did this program!
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 06:35 PM
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8. al queda has like 13 or more ships
THEY THINK....

:grr:
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 06:48 PM
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13. here's one
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3335183.stm
US 'seizes al-Qaeda drugs ship'


A boat containing drugs possibly linked to al-Qaeda has been seized in the Gulf, the US military says.
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 06:48 PM
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15. another
http://www.cdi.org/friendlyversion/printversion.cfm?doc...
Al Qaeda's 'Navy' - How Much of a Threat?


The dangers of merchant shipping under terrorist control was highlighted for U.S. citizens late last December by a story in the Washington Post saying that U.S. officials had identified about 15 cargo freighters which they believed were being used by al Qaeda for both generating profit and potentially aiding terrorist attacks.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 06:49 PM
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 06:50 PM
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17. another
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/12/31/1041196641696...
United States intelligence officials have identified about 15 freighters around the world that they believe are controlled by al-Qaeda or could be used by the terrorist network to ferry operatives, bombs, money or commodities, government officials said.

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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 06:54 PM
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20. another
http://www.ccc.nps.navy.mil/rsepResources/si/oct03/terr...


-snip
International logistical support for al-Qaeda may come in many forms. Intelligence agencies report that al-Qaeda has repeatedly used cargo ships to move conventional weapons and explosives, including the explosives used in the 1998 bombings of two U.S. Embassies in East Africa.<2>
-snip
More than 6 million cargo containers arrive in the United States from overseas each year. Robert Bonner, commissioner of customs and border protection at the Department of Homeland Security notes that there is a continuing concern that al-Qaeda and other terrorists groups might try to place weapons of mass destruction in some of those containers.<14>

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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 06:55 PM
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21. another
http://www.defense-update.com/2005/12/threat-of-maritim...

There is indeed compelling evidence that ships are al-Qaeda's new weapons of choice. When Abd al Rahman al Nashiri was captured by US intelligence agents in November 2002, the scope of Al-Qaeda maritime activities was revealed for the first time in detail. Al Nashiri, Osama Bin Ladens operations chief in the Persian Gulf and Yemen, masterminded the suicide attack on the guided missile destroyer USS Cole in October 2002, as well as an identical attempt nine months earlier, on the destroyer The USS Sullivans, which failed when the suicide boat overloaded with explosives was sunk. Nashiri, an explosive expert specializing in naval demolition sabotage, had developed a four-pronged strategy to attack Western shipping targets:


Ramming vulnerable vessels at sea
Blowing up medium-sized vessels at ports
Attacking vulnerable, large cargo ships such as supertankers from the air by using explosive-laden small aircraft
Underwater attacks by divers or suicide demolition teams, using limpet mines.
By capturing Nashiri, coalition forces also seized an al-Qaida maritime military manual. The manual dealt with how to attack ships, showing different classes of vessels, where to hit them and how much explosives are needed. Replacing al Nashiri was Saud Hamid al-Utaibi, marine terror practitioner, who has already caused many security experts to raise the threat level for maritime security. His personal experience includes an active role in blowing up the USS Cole and the attack of a French oil tanker MV Limburg off the Yemen coast. US naval intelligence repeatedly warned Mediterranean states of imminent maritime terrorist threats, including such involving chemical attacks. Utaibis highly professional expertise was proven again in December 2004, during a daring commando attack on the US consulate in the Red Sea port city of Jeddah. Al Qaeda websites revealed that maritime attacks could also involve the use of small underwater craft, such as mini-submarines or submerged diver delivery vessels (SDV). Some terrorist groups are known to have experimented with such methods. Intelligence reports point out that radicals from the Jemaah Islamiah (JI), a group linked to the al-Qaeda network, have been trained in sea-borne guerilla tactics, such as suicide scuba diving and ramming, developed by the Sri Lankan Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam. Lately, Al Qaeda has discovered the ancient game of piracy, a convenient vehicle for their maritime terrorism purpose. Until recently, Indonesia posed the most dangerous waters for international shipping, with 44 pirate attacks alone in its waters in the first half of 2002 and nine more in the nearby Strait of Molucca.

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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 06:56 PM
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23. another
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0515/p02s02-usgn.html

How Al Qaeda might strike the US by sea

Port authorities prepare for a variety of potential attacks from a terror group believed to own as many as 15 ships.

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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 06:59 PM
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24. another
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35157

Al-Qaida has reportedly taken possession of 15 ships, forming what could loosely be described as the first international terrorist navy. The ships were purchased from a Greek shipping magnate with a direct relationship with Osama bin Laden.

Lloyds of London has reportedly helped Britain's MI6 and the U.S. CIA to trace the sales made through a Greek shipping agent suspected of having direct contacts with bin Laden.

The ships fly the flags of Yemen and Somalia where they are registered and are
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 07:01 PM
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26. another
http://www.jamestown.org/terrorism/news/article.php?iss...

Einstein's prophecy is now a security nightmare for the modern world. Maritime authorities worldwide are worried about ensuring the safety of their ports and ships from terrorist attack. Recent press reports have discussed a number of merchantmen under al Qaeda control, but hard evidence is difficult to come by. Even estimates of al Qaeda's "fleet" vary widely, from a low of fifteen to a high of 300 vessels. The unhappy fact is that al Qaeda has already struck twice at sea against both warships and merchantmen. For overworked maritime security officials, it is no longer a question of "if," but rather "when" and "where." The grim reality is that, with a global maritime fleet of 120,000 vessels, any solution for inspection and search is going to be haphazard at best.

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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 06:50 PM
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18. That Navy Commander; the older one,
Edited on Sun Feb-26-06 06:55 PM by Breeze54
didn't say how many ships they had, in fact, he said,
"I'm not saying how many ships they have."
and he said, "We 'think' they have ships." *wink* *wink*

So, how do you know how many ships they have?
:shrug:

Edited to say: THANK YOU w8liftinglady!!
lol...
:hi:
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peanutbrittle Donating Member (605 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 08:20 PM
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35. and another
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 06:42 PM
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9. This stem cell segment is incredible
It's so sad that religious ignorance stands in the way of real progress for real people.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 06:44 PM
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10. Yes! Couldn't it be so much faster and more successful if
hundreds of scientists were all working on this at the same time?

Thank you California for at least partially funding this research!
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 06:48 PM
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14. Just how fing stupid is it to have to build an identical facility
to do the same research, just because some idiot Pres. decided it was against his faith?????

AAArrrrgggggghhhhh
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 07:00 PM
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25. That was a powerful segment
and amazing. We honor life by discarding cells rather then changing and saving lives. I hope that first study starts soon. I don't cry easily and don't even have PMS but I got tears in my eyes when that man was talking about his little boy.

It's more respectful to life to let them die?
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 07:04 PM
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28. CBS did a GREAT job on this program tonight. I'll have to
send them a thank you! There are so gew like this anymore!!!!
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 06:45 PM
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11. Criticism does help ... its the power of the word ... especially when
its the truth...

So speak out while we can...
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 06:46 PM
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12. I keep trying! n/t
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 06:52 PM
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19. Anybody know anything about this law suit against Prop 71 in Calif?
It's to start tomorrow and if the people of Calif win, it will release $3.7 Billion to stem csll research there!
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 12:46 PM
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36. Here you go
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-stemsuit27feb27...

Stem Cell Institute's Legality Goes to Trial

Foes challenge the lack of state control over money. Backers say the ballot measure modified the constitution to allow fiscal independence.
By Lee Romney, Times Staff Writer
February 27 2006


SAN FRANCISCO The stem cell institute that California voters willed into existence with their approval of a $3-billion bond measure goes on trial today.

The lawsuit, to be heard by an Alameda County Superior Court judge, is relatively simple: Opponents contend the lack of direct state control over the institute's finances is unconstitutional.

The state attorney general's office and the institute's lawyer counter that the measure amended the state constitution to allow for such independence.

The dispute has frozen one of California's boldest experiments: to create an embryonic stem cell research industry that has been deemed off-limits for federal funding by the Bush administration.



***more at the link***





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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 06:56 PM
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22. so whats the story on him and his technology?
coal into diesel.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 07:01 PM
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27. They didn't show it on 60 Min, but he was also on the WJ on cspan
this morning. He talked about coal conversion, wind power, soybean, canola bean, and several other beans I can't remember, and the ability to convert all of them into fuel. He even mentioned bio-diesel.

The part I liked was that he said we should all have the attitude that JFK had in the 60's when he set the goal for the nation to get to the moon in 10 years. Brian said we could do the same thing by declaring we will be free from dependancy on imported oil in 10 years. He said the Governors can make this happen, and they don't HAVE to wait for a President to do it!
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 07:10 PM
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31. It was on 60 minutes here??
I dont know why you didnt get it.

Montana has a huge coal reserve and hes pushing this technology that converts coal into Diesel. No burning, but it gassifies coal somehow. The Nazis used it during Hitlers reign because they had no access to oil. It sounded good . Hardly no pollution except for carbon dioxide which he said could be sold?

It sounds good but Im not sure.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 07:20 PM
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33. I did see the coal tech. on 60 Mins but I didn't hear him talk about
all the other fuel options too. I admit, I was reading som Du threads while it was on, so maybe I missed it.

When he was on the WJ, he talked about how each different option could replace specific percentages of our current oil demand, to the point where what little oil we would need could be pumped here in the US.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 07:06 PM
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29. Thanks for the heads up. I'll be getting it in a couple of hours.
eom
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 07:08 PM
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30. Here's a link to email 60 Minutes.
60m@cbsnews.com ;audsvcs@cbs.com

I sent them one thanking them for a great program. There are so many chanels now, and so few willing to air the truth!
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 07:14 PM
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32. Fabulous segment on stem cell research curing
neurological diseases. Hoping to cure paralysis and incurable degenerative brain disorders.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 08:05 PM
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34. TON on NPR had a discussion on stem cell research with several drs
participating......it was on 'science Friday' before a group in StLouis (?)...this was a few weeks ago

they spent some time talking about how blocking this research in the US and other federal actions against science and scientific/education funding was resulting in a marked decline in foreign students coming to US to study and a major decline in excellent US students opting to study science or especially go into stem cell research: 'they just don't want to have to deal with the constant hassle and necessity to politic'

they also said some northern US states had made anything even close to stem cell research illegal, ie scientists would be jailed......and that some were considering making illegal to take advantage of the research (when it becomes available) EVEN IF THE TREATMENT WAS DONE OUTSIDE THE STATE OR OUTSIDE THE COUNTRY

this part of the discussion was really sad and frightening
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