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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 05:40 AM
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Jane Hamsher Explains the WIDER IMPORTANCE of the Cheney Shooting Story
Edited on Sun Feb-19-06 05:42 AM by Nothing Without Hope
In my opinion, the most consistently insightful reporting this week on the Cheney shooting Fuddgate has been at Firedoglake (http://firedoglake.blogspot.com ). Some at DU have been deploring the attention being given this story or questioned whether it had any real importance beyond what it revealed about the character of Cheney and the bizarre workings of the Bush/Cheney WH (neither of which was a surprise to us at least). While it is true that we need to ALSO focus attention and activation on other urgent topics, Jane Hamsher explains why there are harmonics in the Fuddgate affair that have important and unexpected consequences of which we need to be aware. Ive not seen this analysis anywhere else, and I want to pass it on to you. (Several other firedoglake posts this past week have also been true gems of facts and insight.)

Basically, Janes insight is that everything is connected, and that the power of the various players in ALL the ongoing political wrestling matches is driven by the polls and popularity, face In the Chinese sense. As she sees it, Fuddgate has weakened Cheney, and this has in turn lessened his clout in strong-arming Congressional members into toeing his line., at least for now. One major issue impacted by this, Jane believes, is the status of NSA investigation.

I do recommend that you read the entire blog entry. Ill give URLs for each of Janes embedded hot links. By the way, the graphic was so absolutely irresistible that I just HAD to get it hosted and share it with you; youll soon see the perfection of all four of the Oz character assignments. Cheney is indeed being seen as a cowardly lion this week, and it is setting back his agenda.

http://firedoglake.blogspot.com/2006_02_12_firedoglake_...
posted by Jane Hamsher at Firedoglake @ 2:30 PM February 18, 2006

This Week in Cheney -- Live By the Polls, Die By the Polls




(snip)

Many people lamented this week that the "gossip" of the Cheney shooting eclipsed and obscured the more important matter of the Thursday vote by the Senate Intelligence Committee as to whether they would investigate the illegal NSA wiretaps. Several bloggers announced that the Cheney matter was merely inconsequential and quite beneath them; others argued that Cheney would undoubtedly survive and so covering the matter was useless. In doing so they really just announced their profound lack of insight into the way the administration operates.

Early in the week, while Whittington was in the hospital having his heart attack, Cheney was up on the hill trying to strongarm members of the Intelligence Committee (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20... ) into killing the investigation altogether, according to the Washington Post. And Pat Roberts certainly seemed to think he had the votes to do so, at least initially. Yet when the time came, Roberts tabled the vote (http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/02/long-hard-sl... ) -- an indication that Cheney had been unsuccessful and Roberts couldn't count on the Republicans on his committee to hang together and vote the way the Administration obviously wanted them to. It was a clear sign that Cheney was extremely weakened by what was going on and couldn't overcome whatever reluctance members of his own party had in the matter. This was something that we probably could not have accomplished if we'd shifted gears and written all the letters and faxes they could eat.

What do you do when openings like that arise? You hit them with everything you can lay your hands on, because you never know which stories are going to spread. I'm really proud that several of those that took root here in the comments -- Puppethead's (http://www.puppethead.com/blog /) comments about Cheney's canned hunts (http://firedoglake.blogspot.com/2006_02_12_firedoglake_... ) , and John Casper and rusty's discovery of the scrubbed MSNBC drinking references (http://firedoglake.blogspot.com/2006_02_12_firedoglake_... ) to name only two -- made their way into the much larger Cheney narrative that began to pervade scandal-addicted cable news. The savvy Arianna, who has been down this road a time or two, did likewise with her blog. The derision devoted by the wingnuts to these efforts only serves as a tribute to their effectiveness.

Opportunities don't necessarily arise in the tasteful and carefully framed manner you want them to. Instead you have to seize them when they come up, no matter what the shape, size and smell, especially if you're the minority party and your leadership is in disarray. The amount of damage done to BushCo. this week in the Cheney shooting remains to be seen in -- yes, you got it -- the polls. Hopefully there will be enough lasting damage to allow the wiretap hearings and other investigations to squeeze through in a way that wouldn't have been possible before BushCo. took such a direct hit; at the very least it may keep them distracted, much like Monicagate did Clinton, such that they can't get anything done and must devote all their energies to dealing with it.

(snip)


Jane points out the significance of someone like Chuck Hagel saying (http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/13902053.... ) If {Dick Cheney} had been in the military, he would have learned gun safety." Further, she notes, Pat Roberts is locking horns with BushCo. over the DeWine proposal to simply exempt the whole warrantless NSA program from the requirements of FISA (http://nytimes.com/2006/02/18/politics/18nsa.html?hp&ex... ). Would this be happening without Cheneys appalling behavior after the shooting? Jane thinks theres a connection and so do I. Dick This week, Cheney has been revealed as a fool, an out-of-control blunderer, a possible careless drunk, a man disconnected from the president's circle, who has in a real sense isolated himself by his own actions. He has been weakened - at least for now - by the whole Fuddgate episode, and the Congressional and media sharks are very good at sensing blood.

Another person taking a stab at explaining why the Cheney shooting story is important is NBCs senior WH correspondent, David Gregory:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
thread title (2-18-06 GD): David Gregory: Why the Cheney Story Matters
Comment/excerpt: David Gregory is the chief WH correspondent for NBC and was involved in especially heated exchanges with McClellan over this issue and the blatant non-answers to repeated, direct questions. This OP is based on his blog. Excerpt: Mr. Cheney, in my view, acted as if he had something to hide. He also chose to allow a witness to this accident and the White House press secretary to spend three days portraying this as the fault of the shooting victim, Harry Whittington. Wednesday, Mr. Cheney changed course and took the blame. That invites press scrutiny. This episode was also emblematic of how the Vice President chooses to communicate with the press and by extension the public. It also revealed tension within the White House between the staffs of the President and Vice President.

But though he makes some valid points, I dont see In his comments the depth of insight that Jane Hamsher has.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Finally, I want to remind people that I have been keeping a THREAD COMPILATION on the Cheney shooting/ Fuddgate. In the General Discussion Forum the current version is here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
thread title (2-17-06 GD): COMPILATION OF CHENEY SHOOTING THREADS - with comments/excerpts:
Comment/excerpt: Repost of updated thread started in this forum Feb 14. At time of posting, it is identical to the version in the Research Forum.

In the Research Forum the compilation is here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
thread title (2-14-06 RESEARCH FORUM): Compilation of threads on 2/06 Cheney shooting incident, including videos

The VIDEO THREADS are organized at the end. If you know of important threads that I overlooked Im sure there are a lot of them, as I DO actually have a life post links in the GD compilation and Ill add them in the Research Forum thread.

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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 06:28 AM
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1. as another DUer pointed out
shooting someone in the face is a private matter

but a Blowjob is an impeachable offense....
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 06:37 AM
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2. This incident is also important because there is something going on
behind the scenes in the R party. They are trying to get rid of Cheney and his power base so they can push Rice up. Right now their field of candidates for 08 sucks, with many of them having traceable trails of corrupt behavior. They will stick Rice out there and dare the nation to vote against a woman, and a black woman to boot. I'll be happy to vote against her since she is as corrupt and bloodstained as the rest. The rank and file of the Rs who dislike Cheney and his ways are probably pedestrian in their complaints, but the power brokers are trying to get rid of him off in anticipation of the 08 elections. Cheney loves power and he's nuts. He'll go kicking and screaming all the way. Learned at the knees of Nixon.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 06:41 AM
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3. I predict that John McCain will be the GOP 2008 POTUS candidate.
I read somewhere that a GOP Congress member said "the fix is already in," but whether this is true or not it seems inevitable - barring major illness or scandal - to me.

"Cheney loves power and he's nuts. He'll go kicking and screaming all the way." Oh, yeah. :crazy:
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 12:20 AM
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61. Yep
Don't forget they weren't going to tell but something changed them to tell. I think it happened without Cheney wanting it to and they could have been sending him a message. I still wonder what really happened to Mr. Whittington. Can they fake his accident? He had something on his neck that doesn't look fake.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 06:42 AM
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4. Very interesting.
The first essay raises several interesting points. I think the single most important is the character issue. It becomes the job of the progressive forces to use the entire incident to indict Cheney's character in the court of public opinion. The next step is to tie the most significant, and hence damaging, of the Bush administration's policies as directly to Cheney as possible. The incident gives us a vehicle to bertter do that -- his disregard for basic hunting safety with his drinking, his recklessness in shooting his friend in the face, his cowardice in not going to the hospital, and his lack of character in trying to concoct a cover story to place guilt on the victim and to avoid all responsibility for his own actions.

It would have been great if this translated into an instant change in the House and Senate's willingness to bark when Cheney says bark, and quiver with fear when Cheney threatens to bite. But we must recognize that the representatives and senators are, by and large, a collection of people lacking character, too.

Change is a slow process. But it can be accomplished. And the Cheney incident gives us some fuel.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 06:49 AM
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6. Thank you, H2O Man. For those who have not read his post on the
character issue in the Cheney shooting story, here's another chance:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
thread title (2-13-06 GD): Character Issues & Collateral Damage
Comment/excerpt: Thoughtful H2O Man post on Whittingtons shooting by Cheney. Part of it: Dick and friends tried to make it sound like it was the victim's fault. They said he didn't let the VP know he was coming up behind him. Please. The guy had an orange jacket. Then the story became that the sun was in Dick's eyes. You don't shoot anything (or anyone) you can't identify. But Cheney will blame his friend for his error. His friend becomes collateral damage, less important than poor Dick's reputation. These are serious character issues.

This is the heart of the matter. Jane Hamsher is saying that it is already having a visible effect on the balance of political power.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 06:44 AM
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5. This new weakness is on top of the ongoing effects of Plamegate
and all his other blatant outrages.

The GOP will want to dump him and then scapegoat him as the source of all the problems. With McCain as "Mr. Clean & Sane" at the head of their political push, they will want to put Cheney firmly in the past.

Of course, McCain's dirty & dangerous & complicit as hell and we can't let this happen if that's the way they try to work it.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 07:06 AM
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8. There are a number
of people in the president's office who are becoming more open in their discussions about the problems Cheney causes for "the administration," meaning Bush. They are joining the discussions that come from the circle of power that is composed of Bush the Elder's group, Brent Scowcroft and the like. (This should be viewed as there being divisions in the republican leadership at the policy level, rather than significant differences in overall goals.)

The overall goal is to keep the three branches of government safely in the bag. The federal courts, including but not limited to the Supreme Court, are being packed with conservatives. The House and Senate have a large combination of conservatives and weaklings, although it is the one branch that has the greatest potential for being changed. That leaves the presidency.

The idea that Cheney is not running for the presidency was originally promoted to increase his ability to work behind the scenes, and to act with a secretive yet reckless power. However, it was never true. Cheney has wanted to be president for a long time. He had formed a committee in '95 to study his chances the following year, but it fell flat. Of course, Bob Dole headed the ticket in '96, and while Bob was popular as a loyal junk yard dog, willing to guard the bankers' houses, he is the model for the reason that those same bankers will not likely give in to the prosepect of his political heir apparent, John McCain, heading the ticket, unless the democrats put up a candidate who is acceptable to the republican power circle.

Thus, the trap for the republican power circles: if Cheney stays, their party likely nominates John Dole McCain, who is like an old heavyweight contender who was passed by in his prime years, and who finally gets a title shot when he is no longer a threat. Or, they can dump the Dick, and replace him with either an elder statesman from the Elder's circle, or with a young warrior they want to promote for president in '08. Removing Cheney, however, increases the risks of sparking forces that could change the cowardly nature of the House and Senate.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 07:29 AM
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11. Cheney MUST go -he makes BUSH LOOK WEAK, and that can't be tolerated
Edited on Sun Feb-19-06 07:57 AM by Nothing Without Hope
Jane doesn't really make this point, but it's part of the mix in my opinion. Cheney was the one blundering around, but Bush was shown up as a weak fool who could not control his own vice-president. BUSH lost face this past week too. It was abundantly clear that he was NOT in charge, and the media-generated fiction of Bush portrayed as the powerful, decisive protector of the country is key to the GOP propaganda framing. Cheney was, as you say, supposed to be the BEHIND-THE-SCENES powermonger/operator. But he merely looked swaggering, clueless and - as you have pointed out - characterless. And mean, in all senses except "tough." He did not look intimidating or as if he were following some clever secret plan. The sharks took notice.

There really does seem to be something wrong with Cheney's judgment and mental functioning. It's not like this was such a departure from the way he's been acting these past years, it's more like it put it into the spotlight so it could not be ignored. Hard to imagine him recapturing his former reputation.

Bush could not control him, and Cheney acted like all the power was in HIS hands. You may smile at my choice of spokesmen for this, but I thought Ron Reagan Jr's energetic argument vs Hannity, Tweety & Tucker made this point so well that they could not refute it. The crescendo came when he said that Cheney OUTRANKS Bush, and I think many people saw it the same way:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
thread title (2-17-06 GD): VIDEO- Ron Reagan Jr about Cheney- ONLY Ron Reagan Jr
Comment/excerpt: Liveoaktx/Can-o-fun VIDEO of Ron with Hannity, Tucker & Tweety they couldnt touch him, and he cracked them up. He said Cheney outranks Bush and hes right. Very fine and hard-hitting.

Circles and circles all right. I do think McCain is the current leading contender as the next GOP candidate, but they may yet try to dust off another younger, more charismatic-appearing figurehead. McCain does indeed have a lot of baggage, though he has been working overtime to make everyone forget that - with the help of the media:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 07:49 AM
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12. I like Ron Reagan Jr.
I have nothing but respect for him. I would note, however, that Chris Matthews argued from the onset that this incident was important, because it was a character issue, and more importantly, because it showed that Cheney is running the shadow government.

McCain could end up the republican candidate, because he has gone a long way in the past 6 years to prove beyond a doubt that he will always be a faithful dog in protecting the bank. Where once there was a question if he would be guided by his conscience and by the clear knowledge of right vs wrong, John has shown he will "rise above his principles" and embrace evil, if he is rewarded with a pat on his humbly bowed head. Where once he had respect, he now has earned contempt.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 08:04 AM
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14. I agree with what you say about McCain, and you say it so clearly:
Edited on Sun Feb-19-06 08:05 AM by Nothing Without Hope
",,,He has gone a long way in the past 6 years to prove beyond a doubt that he will always be a faithful dog in protecting the bank. Where once there was a question if he would be guided by his conscience and by the clear knowledge of right vs wrong, John has shown he will "rise above his principles" and embrace evil, if he is rewarded with a pat on his humbly bowed head. Where once he had respect, he now has earned contempt."

He allowed his ambition to utterly crush his integrity. Yet his major media selling point IS his integrity. The irony keeps growing.

I like Ron Reagan Jr too.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 05:58 PM
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39. This From Google Images Says It All
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 07:15 PM
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45. That is soooooo perfect. I'm stealing it. Now. n/t
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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 11:11 PM
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53. Is it possible to jettison DeadEye?
Would PNAC have enough people placed in strategic places to allow displacement of Mr. Sneer?
I am sure he will maintain control over a lot of stuff from some undisclosed place, but does he have enough Dickie-clones in place yet?
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 12:14 AM
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59. Yes, I think they are working up to displacing him because he is not
reliable to them. They cannot afford to have a fool and a loose cannon, the stakes are too high and the secrets are too hideous.

I think we'll be seeing ever more finger-pointing at Cheney, even for things that are really the fault of someone else, like RUmsfeld or Shrub himself.

But we can't just let them transfer power while retaining it. Gotta work on waking people up to what's really happening.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 12:29 AM
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62. Why else do you think McCain has been kissing Bush's ass?
Especially after what happened to him in 2000! He so wants to be president from kissing Bush's ass to meeting with Jerry Falwell.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 02:52 AM
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67. Yes, he so wants to be president, he's given away his soul to the monsters
A tragedy for him, since he has to live with himself and will eventually have to deal with what he has done, but a much bigger one for the country if he gets elected. He'd continue to kiss Bushie ash, and things would just get worse.
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 07:03 AM
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7. Watching this story unravel
was like watching some Highlighter God take his yellow pen and underline almost everything that`s wrong with the Bush administration.

We had secrecy, lies, contempt for law, recklessness, a lying Press Secretary, disregard for human life, misuse of the press, a MIA president and a full-throttle spin machine. Even the gated hunting compound, the choice of Fox News and Matalin`s mad scramble fit right in. Who should be surprised that the victim was blamed (remember New Orleans?)or that Bush would belatedly announce he was satisfied with Cheney`s performance? About the only thing missing was the bombing of the Corpus Cristi Times.

The media deserves some blame, not so much for how they covered this story but for all the other important stories they ignored. For all their highly paid tv stars and high-tech equipment, corporate media can handle only one in-depth news story at a time. Cheney`s disgusting behavior should have been a top story, but so should the deaths in Iraq, the new Abu Gahrib photos, the NSA scandal and a few dozen more.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 07:07 AM
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9. I agree with everything you say. Great post.
So true: "like watching some Highlighter God take his yellow pen and underline almost everything that`s wrong with the Bush administration."

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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 07:28 AM
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10. Cheney's actions and words regarding this are ...
representative of the entire Bush Regime. They are all liars, arrogant assholes and criminals.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 07:56 AM
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13. One more thing we learned from this whole mess
is that Cheney is still a drinker. Up until the shooting incident, must of us assumed that Cheney really did lay off the sauce years ago. How could a man in his condition, 4 heart attacks, clotted arteries, and a built in fibulator even think about drinking? Not only is it now apparent that Cheney not only drinks but that it is still a problem. Here's a guy with at least 2 DUI's under his belt and a history of alcohol abuse, which qualifies him has an alcoholic. When the drinking continues, despite serious health problems that are made worse by continued drinking, then you are still an alcoholic. In other words, we now know that CHENEY IS AN ALCOHOLIC. So now we have two alcoholics running the country. No wonder they can't react appropriately to emergencies and it takes hours if not days to find someone in the WH to respond anytime something bad happens. I don't know about anyone else, but I certainly don't want to depend upon an alcoholic to keep me safe from anything, no less al Qaeda.

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 08:08 AM
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15. On drinking.
It is perhaps safer to say that Bush had addiction issues in his past, that appear to contribute to "dry drunk" character issues today. There is, of course, no evidence that Bush drinks today.

Cheney had a couple drinking & driving tickets at a time when, in general, drunken driving was not taken as seriously as it is now. There is no record of how he addressed that situation. He clearly has health issues today that make drinking an obvious poor choice.

People should not drink, at all, on a day when they are planning to hunt. This does not mean drink for lunch, and hunt a few hours later. But the more serious issue may be that Dick fixed himself at least one mixed drink after shooting his friend. Drinking to deal with stress is not a good idea for anyone, much less a vice presiident. It brings back memories of the stories of Nixon, drinking heavily as the Watergate case trapped him much like Plame is trapping Cheney today, walking the halls of the White House, talking to paintings.
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MadisonProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 09:09 AM
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19. Also, let's not forget
That the ratio of driving drunk to DUI citations is probably 1000 to 1 (probably much more). Anyone that get's multiple DUI's has a serious problem.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 09:24 AM
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20. True, Cheney got those DUI's
at a time when drinking and driving was fairly common. However, in order to get charged with a DUI, no less two, you had to be just about falling down drunk back in those days.

Since then, there is no indication of whether or not Cheney ever even tried to stop drinking. Now in light of his behavior on the day he shot his hunting companion, I get the feeling Cheney never did stop. He just hid it well. Under the circumstances, I think the public now has a right to know what is Cheney's current status in regards to alcohol.

In regards to Bush, I doubt if he ever stopped drinking. Or if he has stopped drinking, he has replace the alcohol with a cocktail of mood altering drugs. I happen to think him and Laura do both. Why do I believe this? On Sat. Dec 29, 2000 I was in Fort Myers, FL with my family eating breakfast at the local IHOP waiting for our car to finish being repaired. There was a bunch of newspapers people left behind and I grabbed one. On the front page they ran a story about the new President-elect's vacation on Gasparilla Island with the rest of the Bush clan. The reporter asked the spokesperson for the family what Bush had done that day? They said that he had gone fishing that morning with his father, then he played a round of golf and that evening he went to the store to buy a bottle of gin for his evening martini. I swear to god that's what it said and I was so astonished I even read the paragraph out loud to my husband. One of those, oh my god the bastard still drinks, moments. I wish to heck that I had saved that newspaper, because I have never been able to find that reference online. I wasn't posting at the time, so I didn't realize that having a copy of this story would be useful later on. Oh well, if someone has access to Lexus Nexus that article is out there somewhere.





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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 06:49 PM
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43. did the search...
cruised LexisNexis for awhile...

parameters, 12/01/2000-12/31/2000
keywords: Bush, Gasparilla, gin...
no matches found

then did Bush, Gasparilla
found 18 matches...
none of which mention gin or martinis

maybe they scrubbed it?



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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 07:05 PM
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65. Here's a version that's still online
it is similiar but not the same has the one I read that day in print. Of course, some cleaning up and variation may have happened in different reports.



December 27, 2000

The younger Bush had said during the campaign that, if he lost the election,

he would go fishing with the "old man." Instead, Bush won the election -- and promptly flew off to go fishing with the old man.

Fishing, though, would have to wait until today. After a national security briefing, Bush went to play golf with his father and three brothers yesterday afternoon.

"Danger on the right!" Bush hollered to a pack gathered along the fifth tee of the golf course at the Gasparilla Inn.

"That's better than danger on the left!" a gallery member volleyed back, to laughs and banter all around. Bush teed up and pounded the ball off a grove of banyan trees and -- his Sunshine state luck holding true -- into the middle of the fairway.

The family then ventured off to dinner.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronic...


BTW: Thanks for looking.

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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 09:08 PM
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66. 18 matches...
That's the gist of what the 18 matches were like... though some tried to ask seriouser questions about cabinet picks etc. They all mentioned golf and fishing and vacationing. Made me angry at all these filthy rich people actually... rat bastards. As for looking, as long as i have a school account for searching databases, i will use it... especially to dig up juicy tidbits. Peace out.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 10:33 AM
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22. I am still convinced that he did not fix that drink to deal with stress,
but to deal with the fact that he had alcohol in his blood, and he needed to have an excuse for it. Having had that cocktail in front of witnesses, he could say that any alcohol in his blood was from that, not from any drinks he had before the shooting.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 04:00 PM
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32. Exactly. I was struck by that explanation when Jane put it forward
a few days before the piece I excerpted in the opening post. Apparently it's a common ploy among chronic drinkers, and once I read it, it seemed obvious in retrospect.
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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 11:15 PM
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54. But there are a couple of other
interpretations of the post-shooting cocktail. One of course, is that he gave a great, visible sign to anyone around that alcohol would be in his system. The second is that people of his generation and social status often do not see why they should forego drinking. Cheney, unlike Bush, has never said he stopped drinking, so far as I am aware. I'm sure he believes he uses "moderation," which is kind of like the rhythm method of birth control, only it applies to alcohol and drugs.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 08:28 AM
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17. We don't KNOW that Cheney was drunk. His actions and the long delay
Edited on Sun Feb-19-06 08:48 AM by Nothing Without Hope
have raised that possibility and it probably cannot be proved or disproved at this point. Before the Whittington shooting and its aftermath, Cheney's possible drinking was not a significant topic of discussion. Now it is, even in the corporate media. Even David Letterman said (I am quoting from memory, so may be slightly off), "Maybe he was drinking when we went into Iraq, too."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
thread title (2-16-06 GD): VIDEO- Letterman on Cheney Night 3
Comment/excerpt: Quail are rumored to be hiding in the mountains near Pakistan. Strong statement on the drinking aspect was Cheney drinking before we invaded Iraq? Heart attack!!? says Cheney, Dont steal MY act, bitch, or Ill take you out!

In another firedoglake entry, Jane Hamsher pointed out that Cheney's drinking a highball in front of everyone after the shooting parallels a well-known ploy used by chronic drinkers who are concerned about being tested for alcohol. A highly public drink can cover for the alcohol consumed earlier "offstage." This suggestion doesn't prove anything, of course, but it shows the working of doubt in this situation and is an interesting point, too.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 10:32 AM
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21. I didn't say he was drunk
Drinking and being 'drunk' are two different things. I did say Cheney may be an alcoholic though, but again that doesn't mean he was drunk when he shot Whittington.

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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 06:06 PM
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40. I Cannot Think of Any Other Reason
Let us assume for a moment that Cheney is actually human.
He has just shot and gravely injured a friend.
One would assume that he would have been very concerned for his friend's welfare,
and ensuring that he receivd the best possible medical attention.

I'm not sure where "I need a good, stiff drink" fits into that.

He must have been drunk already.
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 08:18 AM
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16. The biggest damage is to their WE WILL PROTECT YOU image.
A DUer pointed this out in a great post last week -- sorry I can't find my way back to it now.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 09:03 AM
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18. I have to leave for many hours now. I would be grateful if interested
readers could help keep this thread kicked.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 11:12 AM
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23. Kicked it is. Agood thread.
--IMM
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 11:39 AM
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24. FuddGate, OMG! Leave for 36 hours and I miss a new meme. Recommended.
Thank you for pointing this out. It's excellent.

Cheney is a bigger story: We're all quail to Bushco!

We're the prey, the fattened game birds that that just sit in the field and get popped off by the "feudal lords." They are who they are and, despite popular opinion, they are bolder by the day.

Look at Hagel comments as she quotes them.

When you've got people like Chuck Hagel saying...

"“If had been in the military, he would have learned gun safety."

Everybody is hauling out the heavy ordinance. There is a civil war in "management." Many of the "lords" are unhappy with Cheney-Bush. We'll see more battles like this.

As for Cheney, he needs to be declared "persona non grata" -- meaning, he's simply not welcome in this country...he just has to leave...no hearings etc. Bye, bye...

Wonderful post.

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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 03:40 PM
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28. Thanks, autorank. I wish I could take credit for the name "Fuddgate,"
but I can't. That came early in a DU poll thread. I'm not sure I can find it. If I do, I'll post a link and the name of the clever person who first called it "Fuddgate."

There WERE some photos on the web showing Elmer Fudd with Cheney's face. I think one was at firedoglake. That was before Whittington's heart attack made the seriousness of his injuries obvious and the whole thing less funny.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 12:35 PM
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25. Mr. Whittington suffered a near-death experience and lived to apologize.
Cheney's the one wounded.

Let's hope, mortally, in the political sense.

Great post, Nothing Without Hope! Great graphic, too.



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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 03:43 PM
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29. That's the part that especially resonates with me: the victim apologized.
That is a PR mistake IMO. Cheney apologizing and his victim graciously accepting it would've given cover to his true believers, should there be any left, but the victim apologizing?
Even his true believers will have a hard time promoting that one.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 03:57 PM
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31. Yes, it's so blatant and so ugly, it's unspinnable - CARTOON:
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 04:02 PM
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33. Oh, that is just perfect! nt
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 10:53 PM
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49. Two things: One it shows Cheney is a real turdball.
Two: For the victim to apologize means they're covering up something even bigger. "Let's let bygones be bygones." Or, as Sneer would say: "Fuhgedaboudid."

What they want people not to think about, IMFO, is what happened in Dallas on 22 November 1963. I can't prove it, but Whittington being friends with the oil folk like Clint Murchison make me mighty suspicious of his friendship with George Herbert Walker Bush.

BTW: Here's what GHWB told the FBI he was doing when President Kennedy was murdered:



SOURCE: http://www.internetpirate.com/bush.htm

Murchison was friends with J Edgar Hoover and the Mafia.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 01:14 PM
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26. The Buckshot Comes Full Circle
This is a nice read, adds a bit to the subject:



The Buckshot Comes Full Circle

by Mike Carlton
Published on Friday, February 17, 2006, by the Sydney Morning Herald (Australia)

Picasso, it is said, could dash off a geometrically perfect circle with a stick of charcoal. There is a similar exquisite perfection in the act, the effortless achievement, the languid artistry, the soaring triumph, of Vice-President Dick Cheney shooting his lawyer with a blast of birdshot. It has warmed me all week.

Not that I wish the unfortunate attorney any ill. We all hope he recovers, although America has lawyers the way dogs have fleas. One less can only be to the good. But I am delighted to see Cheney go down.

The symmetry is this: here is a metaphor, an allegory, for all that is rotten about this Bush Administration. At the White House, as at the ranch where the shooting happened, a rarefied clique of Texan Republican aristocrats and their sidekicks lurches from impulsive folly into grim farce, with disastrous consequences.

When it all goes horribly pear-shaped - in Iraq, or New Orleans, or the south Texas brush country - there are, at first, the furtive efforts to conceal the truth and then, when some facts inevitably emerge, to concoct the most favourable version that the black arts of White House media management can devise.

Days after the shooting, the waters are now so muddied that the truth might never be known. Bush's political svengali, Karl Rove, had about 24 hours to spin the story before it was released, not to the inquisitive White House press corps, but to a friendly reporter on a backwater Texas local newspaper.

CONTINUED...

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0217-30.htm



He who lives by the sword...
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 03:55 PM
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30. This is a great article. Thanks for pointing it out. It's a pleasure
Edited on Sun Feb-19-06 04:12 PM by Nothing Without Hope
to see a corporate media reporter speaking the truth so clearly - it happens all too rarely in these parts. Those "black arts of White House media management" not only produce spin, but the products are often poorly written. Perhaps not believing what you are writing takes a toll, as if the creativity and spirit (I almost said "conviction," but these days that word usually means a legal action) went somewhere else.


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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 04:34 PM
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35. Octafish, don't miss the Stan Goff piece linked to in Reply #34
This is all about archetypes: their deliberate construction to sway the public and the revelation that they do NOT fit after all.

But they're still trying. The cover of Newsweek shows Cheney as the Marlborough Man and the excerpt I read in this thread sounds like spin -- archetype framing -- to me. I'll post an excerpt and photos in a separate reply.

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 10:58 PM
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50. Propaganda 701
Be the first to lie.

It takes 100 times the Truth to drive it out.

Stan Goff is the real deal.



The Shootist

Stan Goff
Fri Feb 17, 12:22 AM ET

EXCERPT...

This is an administration who ran election campaigns that would make a Louisiana police chief blush; and they did it by constructing George W. Bush -- a besotted pampered frat boy from a wealthy political dynasty -- as a cowboy.

Dick Cheney has constructed himself as a hunter... consistent with his supposedly intimidating predator image.

These are hegemonic masculinities, but only in the most theatrical sense. The cowboy and the hunter are idealized archetypes from a mythical past.

One need merely note the symbolic exhibitionism of consumer masculinity all around us to see why this has been so politically effective. Gym-rat WWF musculatures that don't exist in nature, SUVs the size of small tanks jacked up on giant wheels, t-shirts that declare "Insurance by Smith and Wesson," and as we scale the class ladder the more subtly stated accoutrements of masculine dominance, from the "corrective" tailoring of the man's suit to the Valexta briefcase. Masculinity itself is more often than not a game of dress-up, a pose, the ultimate life sentence of tough-guy theatricality for men.

In an era when even the American male working class is as commonly found in an office cubicle as a factory, when we spend an average of 7.5 hours a day in our homes with televisions on, drinking in this cognitive data stream of fantasy gender-norms, when we live in places called Fox Run with no foxes, Deer Park with no deer, Sleepy Hollow
that is in fact a bulldozed lot built over with masonite boxes, its little wonder that even the old oppressive masculinities -- at least actually connected with where one lived and what one did for a living -- have given way to costume-consumer masculinity. It is also little wonder that people can successfully run for king of the country in this reverse-drag as one of the mytho-erotic archetypes.

Cowboy. Hunter.

CONTINUED...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20060217/cm_huffpost/0... ;_ylt=A86.I1nxDPZDAdUAXgr9wxIF;_ylu=X3oDMTBjMHVqMTQ4BHNlYwN5bnN1YmNhdA--



Thanks for the heads-up on a hell of an essay.

People like you and Goff are why the good guys have a chance, Nothing Without Hope.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 12:02 AM
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56. Geez, Octafish, I just now saw your last line.
Blew me away. The truth is, it's our COMMUNITY that gives us good guys a chance. We don't even know each others' real names or faces for the most part, and we're all ages and backgrounds and every other variable, but it doesn't matter. We all care so profoundly and TOGETHER we refuse to give up. Now the events of this past week give us important new indications of how to devise effective communication campaigns to undermine the grip that these false, hollow posers have on the psychology of the public.

I have a bookmark folder labeled "encouraging messages." I keep it in reserve for when it's especially hard to keep at it, for when I am feeling like a fool for the work I do in online political discourse. Your message is now safely tucked away in that folder.

Thank you. (And back atcha. Why do you think I hoped you would comment on this thread?)
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 01:29 PM
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27. Interesting way to look at it
Although I don't believe that this incident ranks in the top 1000 worst things that Cheney has ever done, it is nevertheless good that the fact of its visibility appears to be weakening him. Thank you for putting this together.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 11:54 PM
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55. It's interesting not only for the possible weakening effect it has had,
but also for what it reveals about the real basis of the hold on the public psychology that these ciminals have - and the clues of how to further undermine it.

We need to work on media campaigns, LTTE, disccusion groups, interaction with congressional representatives (andnot only the Dems) in a way that pushes at the WEAKNESSES that have been so clearly revealed this past week. They are NOT what they seem to be. They can protect no one and would not bother to do so if they could. Oh, the reframing is crucial and what has happened this past week shows the way.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 04:24 PM
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34. Another must-read article on Fuddgate - STAN GOFF GETS IT. LINK:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
thread title (2-19-06 GD): Why Cheney's hunting accident matters - By Stan Goff
Comment/excerpt: He perceives the way ARCHETYPES deliberately concocted by propaganda have been damaged by Fuddgate. Excerpt: This is the age of postmodern politics the age of impression management. This is the time when the narrative is used to trump reality. No doubt perfidy has always characterized politics, but the good old days of no-bullshit thuggery and patrician patronage has given way to the construction of puerile caricatures. And many thought that Bush was the mediocre narcissist who liked to dress up in flight suits and caper across the decks of aircraft carriers. This incident exposes Cheney himself as just another costumed buffoon, and not the Darth Vader figure he and his desperately insecure admirers seemed to relish. Dick Cheney has constructed himself as a hunterconsistent with his supposedly intimidating predator image. These are hegemonic masculinities, but only in the most theatrical sense. The cowboy and the hunter are idealized archetypes from a mythical past.

Messing with the archetypes destroys their mesmerizing power. THIS is what has happened. The Marlborough Man, the Manly, Silently Strong Hunter, the Stern and Wise Father, and ABOVE ALL, THE MAN WHO WILL PROTECT US - they've packed so many archetypes into Dick Cheney, it's a wonder he can walk. And now he's demonstrated for all to see that he doesn't fit those archetypes after all.

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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 06:07 PM
Response to Reply #34
41. yes so true
the cowboy and the hunter...outdated sterotypes for "strong"* (even if I was a cowboy or a hunter I wouldn't want the comparison with these buffoons).

How about other stereotypes for "strong" ?--like Cindy Sheehan and Gold Star families, or the survivors of Katrina or 9-11, or the homeless Walmart workers, etc etc etc (this list would be very long...)

How about the survivors & casualities of the B**h regime in general?
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 07:14 PM
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44. Yes, this is the way we should be thinking. We need to ALSO FIGHT THE
FRAMING/ARCHETYPES. Cheney has blasted some holes in his in Fuddgate, and heaven knows Shrub is no hero.

THIS is how they control the US public. Archetypes. THey stir up fear and division and then present themselves as the protectors and solution.

THIS is what we have to keep in mind constantly when we are battling the neocon propaganda. NOT by supporting the Patirot Act (my god, the Dems who say this are TRAITORS), but attacking at the roots.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 08:04 PM
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47. I've thought about this...
but am at a loss as to how to "fight the framing archetypes" in a society that is so addicted to making decisions on the flimsiest characterization. And I don't see it ONLY as a problem with the sheeple...I have a number of intelligent friends who can be manipulated because they don't go below the surface. The mainstream media of course shamelessly perpetuates stereotypes.

I'm not as hard on the general public as some. I really think a lot of people are just treading water and overwhelmed. They want to come to the quickest conclusion..."anxious to be moving on." Not all of us can take the time to become political junkies. This jumping to conclusions is partly a problem of our frenetic times.

How do we blow the framing archetypes before they can take hold? Seems like it happens awful quick.
As soon as an image is created, it's burned in the memory banks of the entire population.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 12:05 AM
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57. Right now I'm too sleepy to give this the careful reply it deserves.
Please don't despair on this. I feel strongly that we can take the revelations of this past week - not so much what Cheney did as the response of the media and the public to it - and BUILD.

It's about synthetic archetypal character-acting versus REAL character. They have set up a situation where they tell us we must be terrifed and that only they can protect us. But they can't protect ANYONE, and wouldn't care enough to do so if they could. It's all lies and it's all bluff.

And the bluff has been called.

We need to push push push on this to the press, the US public in every way we can, and the Congress - and not just with Dems.

And now, good night! :hi:
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 09:03 AM
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63. no problem
mine are mostly rhetorical questions...how do we get people--even our own liberals--to stop taking everything at face value, to stop being so expedient, to QUESTION EVERYTHING ? Maybe that is an uncertain place to be...but it's better than delusion.

If you have any further insights on this "framing" question...maybe you would post it as a thread, Nothing W/out Hope. It would be a good discussion. These are important questions at this point...people are beginning to see how they were railroaded, used and abused.

How do we help Americans begin to prefer authenticity over caricature?

to be cont ...mg

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kliljedahl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 04:35 PM
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36. "Fuddgate", I like that
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 04:40 PM
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37. Looks like the WH spinners are hard at work - NEWSWEEK COVER ARTICLE:
This is all about Jungian-style archetypes/Lakoffian framing: the spin-masters' deliberate construction of false but resonant mythic images -- and the revelation that they do NOT fit after all. But the spinners are trying to shore up their carefully constructed image of Cheney as the strong, silent, paternal figure who will protect us all:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
thread title (2-19-06 GD): Newsweek Cover: Shot Heard Round the World (Cheney Shooting)
Comment/excerpt: The photos and the excerpt in the thread sound like theyre spinning like mad, trying to salvage the carefully cultivated image of Cheney as the strong, silent, paternal figure who will protect us all. Excerpt: Feb. 27, 2006 issue - Dick Cheney has never been your normal politician. He has never seemed as eager to please, as needy for votes and approval and headlines as, say, Bill Clinton. Cheney can seem taciturn, self-contained, a little gloomy; in recent years, his manner has been not just unwelcoming but stand-offish. This is not to say, however, that he is entirely modest and self-effacing, or that he does not crave power as much as or more than any office-seeker. This, after all, is a man who, in conducting a search for George W. Bush's vice president, picked himself. Indeed, since 9/11, Cheney has struck a pose more familiar to readers of Greek tragedies than the daily Hotline. At times, he appears to be the lonely leader, brooding in his tent, knowing that doom may be inevitable, but that the battle must be fought, and that glory can be eternal.

And the Newsweek photos were carefully chosen to promote/shore up the damaged archetype/frame too:

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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 05:48 PM
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38. Kick - the POWER is in the ARCHETYPE. They have hyped fear and
portray Bush and Cheney as the stalwart, wise, strong men who will protect us.

Fuddgate shows that this is untrue.

We must fight the carefully constructed false ARCHETYPE.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 06:13 PM
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42. K&R.
Peace.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 07:25 PM
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46. kick - hit 'em in the ARCHETYPES/FRAME - and I hope it hurts like hell n/t
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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 08:22 PM
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48. Thanks for putting it all in one place!
Dick Gregory was on "Meet the Press" this morning, at the roundtable with Maureen Dowd, duking it out with Mary Matalin and Paul Gigot on the role (and ignoring) of the press after the shooting. One of the things Gregory pointed out was that if this incident had been way-back-when and had involved Al Gore as Vice President, there would have been the same flurry of hard questions asked.

Russert then proceeded to actually make one of the final points of the program about that speech Mr. Gore gave in Saudi Arabia! Granted, he did it in the context of "conservative blogs" focusing on Gore rather than Cheney, but Gigot used that opportunity to drive the negative home.

I've never been much a fan of Gore, but what he said on his trip about the abuses against Arabs was finally a step in the right direction and it was infuriating to see Russert and company ending that show slamming an attempt at diplomacy by our former Veep, when the topic was supposed to be Cheney and his skullduggery!


Here's the link to that entire discussion, in case you want to add it to your compilation:

Transcript for Meet The Press February 19 - Roundtable
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 11:09 PM
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52. Thanks, I will add that to the compilation in GD and the Research Forum
Edited on Sun Feb-19-06 11:25 PM by Nothing Without Hope
:thumbsup:

I'll do it tomorrow - I'm falling asleep here and have to shut down for the night. I've got your post and any others people want to point out as important Fuddgate thread, and I've saved web archive pages from The Greatestt Page yesterday and just now. I'll go back and extract more of the most important threads and add them to the compilation.

But the center of the story isn't seen in a list of threads, even with the excerpts and the rest. We need to have a coming-together of minds on these issues. What are the important lessons and political effects of Fuddgate? And how do we use them to PUSH and DE-FOG on all the other issues that are so much more directly and obviously important?

Character issues, false archetypes, and finding ways to show these people for what they truly are have to be part of the plan. And Dem congress members who say that they have to vote for the Patriot Act because they can't seem "weak" are TRAITORS. No less. And if they really believe what they are saying - which I doubt - they are STUPID traitors.

Good night, folks. "See" you tomorrow.

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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 11:04 PM
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51. kick n/t
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 12:11 AM
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58. the dick has lost face
but not nearly as much as Whittington lost
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 12:17 AM
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60. I think now will be the perfect time for the NSA hearings
They're losing power now so I think if the democrats were to do anything right now would be the perfect time.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 09:17 AM
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64. Great stuff !
I'm loving it :kick:
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