Wyoming to kill grizzly bears once they are delisted

[montana500]

www.wilderness-sportsman.com (news section, Feb 18)

"CHEYENNE -- By killing grizzly bears, Wyoming should be able to determine where the animals live, federal officials told Wyoming Game and Fish commissioners Thursday.

The state will be able to direct grizzly bear mortality -- once the animal is removed from federal protection and management is largely turned over to the state -- to manage for lower densities of bears in areas including the Salt and Wyoming ranges, the head of the federal grizzly bear recovery program told commissioners.

In the three-state area where bears have been proposed for delisting, Wyoming will receive the majority of the grizzly bear mortality allowed under recovery rules, based on occupied habitat, officials said."

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

1. They must be disturbing the well-healed jet skiers.

Not to mention the all-important and heavily subsidezed ranchers.

[SPKrazy]

2. They Have Probably Become Overpopulated With Grizzly Bear

I don't know of a natural enemy to Grizzlies except man.

I'm not sure of what I think of this. I don't like the bear hunting in New Jersey that is because humans have pushed the bear out through urban sprawl.

Wyoming is pretty desolate and unpopulated.

Hiking and camping with Grizzlies around can feel pretty dangerous, you surely would want to have a gun with you just in case.

[havocmom]

8. My big fear about de-listing the griz = habitat destruction

The areas where the bears thrive are coveted by developers and extraction industry. The endangered species act also safe guards the environment in certain areas. THAT's what they want to do away with even more than massaging their delicate egos by slaying bears.

[montana500]

11. It's not a population issue at all.

Wyoming has tons of grizz habitat, and outside of the park the density is very low.

[sandnsea]

13. The entire corridor is in question

Before we even begin to talk about delisting grizzly, the entire corridor needs to have a healthy population. Some of them are still working for reintroduction, so it's way too soon to be talking about delistng. It's hard to adjust to the idea of living with griz and wolves in those areas, but once it happens it's not that big of a deal. They live with them in Alaska, they can learn in those states too.

http://www.wildlands.org/l_priority.html

[wtmusic]

21. Wolves were once nt

[htuttle]

3. I support the right to arm bears

[highplainsdem]

12. I support bears' right to a fair fight. Hunters allowed teeth and nails.

[NJCher]

4. it's brutal, living in these times

Every time I turn around, it's something like this. As an animal lover and a person who respects nature, I can't stand it.




Cher

[formercia]

5. When they came for the Grizzlies, I did not speak out...

When will they come for me?

[sandnsea]

6. Sierra Club action alert

Can't trust those states to protect the grizzly bears. If that's the plan, then they can't be delisted. Pretty much that simple.

http://whistler.sierraclub.org/action/?alid=428

[left of center]

15. If states like Wyoming can be shown how grizzlies are an

economic asset by drawing in sportsman and tourists from around the country, they convert over to wanting protection for the species.

[sandnsea]

18. It's not that easy

Tourism jobs don't pay as well as logging. Guides and stores and small hotels don't have the quick economic return of a real estate development. And even when you get alot of tourists, like Yellowstone, then you've got other environmental issues, like snowmobile and vehicle pollution. Plus the issues of ranchers and brucellosis, and then the plain old fear of your kid getting attacked by a grizzly. This just isn't as easy as converting to a tourism economy, especially with the price of gas going up. Or a 9/11 that slams the tourism industry for at least a year when people are afraid to fly. It takes a variety of industries to create an economic base and the people in these regions have some legitimate concerns. Respecting their needs, while advocating for sound environmental policies, is the long term answer.

[left of center]

24. But it's a start. Many of the communities in these states are

not located on a main street so to speak like the east and west coasts, so their economies are more dependent upon natural resources, be it timber, oil or whatever.

If anything, making grizzlies an asset may help change mindsets out there. Yes, the most positive change could be that locals start perceiving environmentalist as being in touch with their needs.

[sandnsea]

25. To be more blunt then

They know that. They don't need anybody to educate them as to what their economic resources are. Tourism is not enough.

[mtnsnake]

16. Thank god for the Sierra Club!

The Sierra Club does so much to bring proper recognition to the atrocities of the Bush administration when it comes to the environment. If we only had more watchdogs like them who actually make a difference.

[liberal N proud]

7. SCREEEEEEEEEEEEM!

ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRG!


What the fuck is next?

[aquart]

9. Gonna invite Cheney to take the first shot?

[highplainsdem]

10. Cheney would want the bears sedated first.

Then Dick the Drunk would probably trip over them and shoot a Secret Service agent or two.

[left of center]

14. The population should be managed. It could be carried out like

some African countries have done for elephant populations. You issue a set number of permits for areas where the population is healthy. Wealthy sportman could pay thousands of dollars for these permits and the proceeds could go to further protecting the grizzlies through land acquisition for habitat and the like.

As much as I'd like to see the grizzlies left alone, humans have so altered their world that management is now necessary.

[DenaliDemocrat]

17. Grizzly Delisting

I love the grizzly bears. Hunting, fishing, and camping with bears around just makes the experience so much better. I would fully support any re-introduction of the great bear. Sad that they have been extirpated from so much of their former range.

On the flip side, David Treadwell was an idiot whose actions resulted in two great Katmai bears being shot. He showed no respect for the great bears, acclimated them to people, and took chances that ultimately killed two people and two bears.

I hope the grizzly finds his home all the way from Canada down through Mexico. They are fantastic creatures and I love every encounter I have ever had with them.

[sandnsea]

19. Do you mean Timothy Treadwell??

My cousin knew him. It was a spiritual thing to him, he really believed he had a connection to the grizzly. She said he was a bit of a dreamer kind of person, very sweet and innocent soul. It was an unfortunate situation but doesn't really have much to do with anything, except to remind people that wild animals are wild animals.

[Ksec]

23. I'm sure thats who he meant.

Saw that documentary about him. He was different, no doubt. I believe he had some strange mental problem imo. Definitely as anti social as they get.

[pitohui]

28. grizzly man by werner herzog

good film

apparently treadwell was a recovering alcoholic and drug addict, you know how sometimes time stops and the person does not mature while they're active in their addiction, in that film, it seemed that time had stopped for treadwell and even once he quit the sauce he was still like a naive sweet kid

did you notice the stuffed teddy bear???? cripes, the man was 46 yr old

what shocked me was how young he looked, a white blondy outdoorsman of that age, esp. one who went thru a decade or more of hard drinking & drugging, would normally be well-weathered

he looked like time had stopped and he had never matured

die young doing what you like and leave a good-looking corpse, i guess

[DenaliDemocrat]

30. Treadwell did not leave a corpse

His remains fit into a small hefty sack. He was an ass who took things way too far. He could have enjoyed the bears but still respected them and took proper precautions. Setting up tents on a bear trail and camping right next to their fishing holes is improper.

[Ksec]

22. I envy your encounters with this magnificent creature

I would love to see a Grizzly in the wild . as long as he isnt having a craving for skinny white guy during the encounter. I know, I know. 99% of the time they wont bother people.

Once I saw bear tracks in upstste New York while hunting snowshoe rabbits, my one and only time for both endeavors. I was amazed at the site of that huge bear print in the snow. I was always an avid outdoorsman and have never come across bears..or snowshoe hares (being from Ohio) We never saw a rabbit or a bear that day but its still one of my fondest memories of being up in the Adirondack mountains while visiting my Brother who was stationed up in Plattsburgh at the air base there..

[DenaliDemocrat]

31. I have stood in brown bear tracks with both feet in one print

and I wear a size 12 boot.

[Buck Rabbit]

20. Stephan Cobert just wet himself.

Grizzly bears should be restricted to Oregon, California's Canada.

I do seriously hope that the state officials are outdoors men and conservationalists, not puppets of the ranchers. I would trust Oregon's wildlife folks more than the Feds for sure, but know nothing about these three states bereau politics.

[Solly Mack]

26. Hmm. Well I don't find some people socially acceptable

" - While parts of those area may be "biologically suitable" under the federal recovery conservation strategy, the department believes their presence there wouldn't be "socially acceptable." - "

[AngryAmish]

27. We're here, we're queer, we don't want anymore bears!

[Township75]

29. Wasn't it "clear" instead of "queer"?

Anyway, I laughed at the post when I read it...reminded me of the stealth bomber in the Bear patrol. :)