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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 10:48 PM
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He's back: Victor Davis HANSON, cheerleader for the Iraq attack
This would be the Classics professor who was used by CHENEE in the run-up to the Iraq attack as his "guru". He provided the regime with historical examples and justifications for what they wanted to do. He believes in the pre-Xtian values of the Greeks, that society must be revitalized by aggression/preemptive-war. On the domestic front he coined the word "Mexifornia" and proposes a seal-off of the border, with 1950s assimilation of the immigrants who are here, everybody-modeling-selves-on-the-CLEAVERS. Funny how he's not a racist but his "Mexifornia" deal is just SO attractive to Skinheads and other racists. So he was cited by LIMBOsevic today for this column, in which he bemoans our lack of will to see the "success" of the Shrubbites and our talking about impeachment.

Full HANSON archive: http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson-archive.asp

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Plague

The Plague of Success
The paradox of ever-increasing expectations.

.... Now the horror of 9/11 and the sight of the doomed diving into the street fade. Gone mostly are the flags on the cars, and the orange and red alerts. The Democrats and the Left, in their amnesia, and as beneficiaries of the very policies they suddenly abhor, now mention al Qaeda very little and Islamic fascism hardly at all.

Apparently due to the success of George Bush at keeping the United States secure, he, not Osama bin Laden, can now more often be the target of a relieved Left — deserving of assassination in an Alfred Knopf novel, an overseer of Nazi policies according to a U.S. senator, a buffoon, and rogue in the award-winning film of Michael Moore. Yes, because we did so well against the real enemies, we soon had the leisure to invent new imaginary ones in Bush/Cheney, Halliburton, the Patriot Act, John Ashcroft, and Scooter Libby. ....

One cause is the demise of history. The past is either not taught enough, or presented wrongly as a therapeutic exercise to excise our purported sins. ....

Second, there is a sort of arrogant smugness that has taken hold in the West at large. Read the papers about an average day in Washington D.C., Los Angeles, Detroit, or even in smaller places like Fresno. The headlines are mostly the story of mayhem — murder, rape, arson, and theft. Yet, we think Afghanistan is failing or Iraq hopeless when we watch similar violence on television, as if they do such things and we surely do not. ....

Third, our affluent society is at a complete disconnect with hard physical work and appreciation of how tenuous life was for 2,500 years of civilization. Those in our media circus who deliver our truth can't weld, fix a car, shoot a gun, or do much of anything other than run around looking for scoops about how incompetent things are done daily in Iraq under the most trying of circumstances. ....

...That someone — mostly soldiers in the field and diplomats under the most trying of circumstances — accomplished all that is either unknown or forgotten as we ready ourselves for the next scandal.

Precisely because we are winning this war and have changed the contour of the Middle East, we expect even more — and ever more quickly, without cost in lives or treasure. So rather than stopping to praise and commemorate those who gave us our success, we can only rush ahead to destroy those who do not give us even more.



Victor Davis Hanson is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution. He is the author, most recently, of A War Like No Other. How the Athenians and Spartans Fought the Peloponnesian War

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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 10:50 PM
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1. where do they dig up these mutated fascists?
oh yeah, the subterrene world of imported Nazis, Fascists, and home-grown Straussians
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freedom000 Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 10:52 PM
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2. he does have a point about our pampered society
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 11:04 PM
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5. Yeah, but the point doesn't apply to what he's talking about
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 11:34 PM
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15. Our supposed disconnect with hard physical work?
Edited on Tue Jan-03-06 11:34 PM by madeline_con
He can speak for his own sanctimonious, academic ass.

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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 10:53 PM
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3. Hmmm...thanks for the links...
This sounds like quite a fellow.

Off to read more.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 11:03 PM
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4. He's dangerous 'cause he's not stupid like the rest of'em
the house intellectual for the Shrubbites. Like WAGNER for the Nazis.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 11:08 PM
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8. And apparently he's a professional welder. nt
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 11:09 PM
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9. Read James Wolcott's take down of Hanson.
So funny. It's the 5th piece down.

http://jameswolcott.com/
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 11:16 PM
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11. Excellent. Thanks. He plugged Tweety, too, (#1 item). n/t
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 11:31 PM
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14. There is a link to a review of Hanson's
" A War Like No Other " by Gary Brecher at the beginning of the Wolcott piece. That review is very good too. Really takes Hanson apart.
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 11:06 PM
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6. so why doesn't this ass shut the fuck up and go become a welder?
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 11:07 PM
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7. "...similar violence"? If a bomb went off in a crowded mall
Edited on Tue Jan-03-06 11:07 PM by BullGooseLoony
in American suburbia and killed 100 people, it would be all that we would talk about for six months straight.

The violence in Iraq is hardly comparable to what happens on the streets of America.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 11:15 PM
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10. Dear Dipshit...
... I can weld (FCAW, GMAW), I can fix cars, electonics, etc, I can fell trees, shoot guns, program computers.

And I can spot a putrid idea wrapped in pedantic prose with no intellectual or factual underpinning without breaking a sweat. Yours would be a prime example.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 11:19 PM
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12. So we're winning the war? Others aren't quite so sure
From OpEdnews.com


The Guerilla War for Iraq’s Oil
by Mike Whitney

A war is raging in Iraq that will determine the outcome of the present occupation as well as the shape of future conflicts. It is the war for control of Iraqi oil.

Currently, America is losing the conflict in rather stunning fashion with little hope of reversing the situation in the near future. This week the Iraqi Oil Ministry announced that oil production “has reached a post-war low” and that the “exports of crude, which had run at an average of about 1.6 million barrels per day since the end of the 2003 war, dropped to 1.2 mbpd in November and 1.1 mbpd in December.” (Al Jazeera) All the indicators point to reduced production due to the escalating violence.

At times, the export of oil has been completely cut off in both the northern and southern regions making it impossible to capitalize off Iraq’s prodigious resources. The Iraqi resistance has grown increasingly skillful in sabotaging pipelines and facilities despite the massive security operations devoted to their protection.

<snip>

There’s simply no way that the administration can prevail in its original intentions of controlling Iraq’s oil reserves if a small army of guerillas focus on disrupting oil production. Millions of dollars of infrastructure can be destroyed in a flash by one determined fighter with a bomb or a Kalashnikov.

The resistance’s success is quantifiable in terms of the reduction in oil exports. In 1990, Saddam was exporting 3.5 million barrels per day. Since then, there has been gradual decline from sanctions and neglect. Following the invasion of 2003, the oil sector has taken a nosedive directly attributable to the blowing up of pipelines. Production is now at an all time low, less than half of what it was just prior to the invasion. The development of oil fields and the transport of petroleum are proving to be irreconcilable with the brutal exigencies of occupation.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_mike_whi_060102_the_guerilla_war_for.htm
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 01:07 AM
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21. So what about those who
are democrats from Iraq running for Congress? They have a different view of course.
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 11:25 PM
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13. He better get a brain
This now is the 21th Century. The capacity for destruction is much more greater.
Winning the war? What war?

Changed the contour of the Middle East ..... geee for what?

Change it to totally pro US. Oh well good luck on that baby. If you using war to do that it is sure a no brainer.

War kills, war destroy, war is evil.

Intelligent people will only use war as a last resort.

Sure you did some change. Change US into a pariah nation, a rogue nation, a nation that voilate international law.

Coming soon.....

US lost and alone in a world that gone crazy.

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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 11:40 PM
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17. "Changed the contour of the Middle East"
Iraq has way more craters now.
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 12:08 AM
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18. bush build crater
while America burn
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 11:37 PM
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16. What a twisted buffon.
Because Bushco is dicking around in the WRONG country, we should be grateful for all they've done to keep us safe from an attack alleged to have been perpetrated by OBL? :shrug:
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 12:30 AM
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19. what a gobshite
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 12:49 AM
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20. ttt
lol
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