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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:03 AM
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Cheney rumor WHY THEY delayed the shooting
SIRIUS Satellite Radio's Alex Bennett (SIRIUS Left Ch 146) just broke a rumor that the delay in reporting the news that Cheney shot err "peppered" 78-year-old Harry Whittington in the heart was due to an effort to hide or spin Cheney's female companion, Pamela Willeford. Pamela Willeford was part of the hunting excursion with Cheney and Whittington and was next to Cheney when the shooting of Whittington took place.



http://www.orbitcast.com/archives/sirius-alex-bennett-breaks-vp-cheney-rumor.html

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dancingme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:04 AM
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1. Maybe "Dick" was getting groped
:P
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:13 AM
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7. And his "gun" went off
Sorry, I couldn't resist.

:crazy:
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:33 AM
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Ack! Thanks so much for that visual, Granny.


:rofl:
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 10:26 AM
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21. Or, as I've always heard they teach in boot camp...
This is my rifle
This is my gun
This one's for shooting
This one's for fun


(Usually shortly followed by "Now drop and give me twenty, maggot!")
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 10:43 AM
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23. Between that and being drunk, no wonder he missed.
Interpret "missed" as you see fit.
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TheModernTerrorist Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 11:06 AM
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24. at HIS age?
dunno how well his "gun" would be working by now...
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:04 AM
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2. And their evidence?
Just out of curiousity?

Obviously this has been speculated on here and elsewhere and is one of the more plausible theories.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 04:00 PM
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28. I'd guess speculation on his wife and her husband not attending.
I'm sure that the sleeping arrangements will not be revealed easily.
But, Enquiring minds want to know.
And, if it had been true and become public, it would have levied its own immensly satisfyingly ironic justice.
Oh well. Back to Rolling Stones.
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markam Donating Member (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:06 AM
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3. Not according to Darth himself
From his interview, it was just him and his prey.

There was just two of you then?

THE VICE PRESIDENT: Just two of us at that point. The guide or outrider between us, and of course, there's this entourage behind us, all the cars and so forth that follow me around when I'm out there -- but bird flushed and went to my right, off to the west. I turned and shot at the bird, and at that second, saw Harry standing there. Didn't know he was there --

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Che_Nuevara Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:10 AM
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That refers to another hunter,
who he never names. Could well be a woman.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:40 AM
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15. went to the right?
and Harry was peppered on his right side...

align, in your mind, the 2 people, hunter and prey, in your mind.

:think:

dp
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:06 AM
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4. I can just see it. They pause to take a lingering kiss,
Edited on Thu Feb-16-06 09:08 AM by fasttense
while Cheney is holding the rifle. The groupies, err entourage, has fallen far behind. They know good old Harry wont give their secret away and boom. Cheney had his finger on the trigger as their lips parted. Good old Harry is shot through the heart.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:15 AM
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9. Gee thanks A LOT
Now I have that crappy Bon Jovi song:

"Shot through the heart and you're to blame YOU GIVE LOVE A BAD NAME"

Stuck in my head...

Please I beg of you...let's have no more of these Cheney romantic/ recreations/scripts without disclaimers in the post title ;)
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:46 AM
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17. Oops sorry, I should have warned people about the obscene imagery
before I let my imagination run wild.

(Thanks for the laugh Carni ;)
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:10 AM
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5. Well, they ain't doing a very good job.
Her presence there has been known (and mentioned by none other than herself) since at least Tuesday, maybe earlier.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:13 AM
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6. How does the 14hr (or whatever) help spin that? More likely:
1. Cheney was sobering up in case of a blood alcohol test

2. They wanted to see of the victim was gonna die (in which case some EXTREME spin would be needed)
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:13 AM
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8. Yah yah yah yah - ein bisschen struudle mit der Hinny Can.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:18 AM
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10. Meanwhile, no comment from Willeford as an eye witness
even though she was standing a hell of a lot closer than the Ranch Owner/Lobbyist. Willeford is NOWHERE to be found and when the reports first came out, she was described as "a third member of the party".
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bluemarkers Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:28 AM
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11. here is one quote
Pamela Willeford, the U.S. ambassador to Switzerland, another member of the hunting party, told The Dallas Morning News for a story in Tuesday's editions that she and Cheney didn't realize Whittington had picked up a bird and caught up with them.

Willeford said she has hunted with Cheney before and would again.

"He's a great shot. He's very safety conscious. This is something that unfortunately was a bad accident and when you're with a group like that, he's safe or safer than all the rest of us," she said.

from yahoo:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060214/ap_on_go_pr_wh/cheney_hunting_accident

but I've noticed she is referred to as the other hunter. ;) wink wink
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:46 AM
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18. Thanks! Hadn't seen that
I still find it interesting the the Rancher is the #1 eye witness. :)
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:48 AM
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20. Funny also, there were only three of them out hunting
So how on god's earth could Dick not know where Whittington was? He only had TWO PEOPLE to keep track of, and one was right next to him.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 11:24 AM
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27. I guess it all hinges on how you define hunting.
;) nudge, nudge.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:40 AM
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14. Not true, actually.
Found this earlier today. It's in an AP piece from Tuesday:

Pamela Willeford, the U.S. ambassador to Switzerland, another member of the hunting party, told The Dallas Morning News for a story in Tuesday's editions that she and Cheney didn't realize Whittington had picked up a bird and caught up with them.

Willeford said she has hunted with Cheney before and would again.

"He's a great shot. He's very safety conscious. This is something that unfortunately was a bad accident and when you're with a group like that, he's safe or safer than all the rest of us," she said.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/cheney_hunting_accident
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:47 AM
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19. Appreciate the correction
:hi:
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:33 AM
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12. The perp:
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:36 AM
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13. dick had his eye on the chick...........
and not his shooting target. Moral of the story: Don't bring beer and women when you go hunting, these distractions can be murder.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:41 AM
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16. The Swiss Miss
Pamela Wileford.

She is about to have her 15 minutes of infamy.

Par for the Republican culture of corruption.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 10:31 AM
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22. You all are forgetting that cheney cannot function sexually.
The man is on his last legs health wise, due to serious, SERIOUS heart conditions. He's on massive amounts of medication and often on actual machinery to sustain his life.

The story stinks and it's not about the chicks so much as *something* else.

Something else is rotten in denmark. I don't know what it is, but I can't agree this is about a mistress for cheney.

Men who can't get it up don't have mistresses unless they're seriously professional sex act freaks that can provide alternative forms of "pleasure" and honey we don't even want to go there with some uptight republican whore who sold her soul to the bush regime for a cushy ambassador post.

It isn't about a mistress. I don't know what it *is* about, but that's off target.

I shall continue to ruminate.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 04:33 PM
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31. so honestly...
how the hell do you know any of this for sure. So much useless speculation.

And if I were on my last legs, I'd want to get my last uggins in, for sure.
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 11:10 AM
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25. Cheneys always packing heat..............
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 11:24 AM
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26. Did they find her Orange Dress? The one with the gun shot?
:rolleyes:
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 04:05 PM
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29. Overnight hunting trip with a female comanion.. You seriously
don't think he was cheating on his beloved wife???
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 04:07 PM
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30. Interesting. Ms. Willeford's husband was there also, BTW.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/16/politics/16tock.html?_r=1&oref=slogi

The other guests were Ms. Willeford, the ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, and her husband, George, a physician in Austin; Ben Love, a West Texas rancher whom Ms. Armstrong called her "beau"; her sister, Sarita Hixon, a Houston museum chairwoman, and her husband, Bob, an insurance executive; Nancy Negley, an art philanthropist whose family once controlled Brown & Root, now a part of Halliburton; and Mr. Whittington, a 78-year-old Austin lawyer, Republican stalwart and presiding officer of the Texas Funeral Service Commission, and his wife, Mercedes.

At first Ms. Armstrong declined to say who besides Mr. Cheney and her sister had been her guests, but she provided the names after The Austin American-Statesman learned of Ms. Willeford's presence. Ms. Willeford spoke Monday by phone but declined to be interviewed again Wednesday. Mrs. Hixon and Ms. Negley did not respond to several messages.

All the guests were there by 6 p.m. Friday, Ms. Armstrong said. The others drove, but Mr. Cheney flew in with his Secret Service entourage; his wife, Lynne, had also been expected but could not come at the last minute, Ms. Armstrong said. Quartered in adjoining ranch houses, the group dined together Friday night and retired by about 10.
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 05:03 PM
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32. First of all, Alex Bennett is an absolute fucking moran.
That asshole was basically acting like he had some kind of info on this and he had broken the story, but the reality is that he or his staff probably read that rumor right here on DU (or Daily Kos). The average DU'er knows way more about the State of our Union than Alex Bennett. But because I sometimes listen to his show now that AAR is gone, I know all about his health issues, his girlfriend, what movie he saw last weekend, blah, blah, blah, blah. One of the most self absorbed people I've ever heard on the air and it pisses me off that he is on the Talk Left station. I change the channel on a regular basis because he hardly talks politics at all. And when he does he's usually woefully misinformed or days late with the info.


Secondly, this has now all be debunked. The NYT is reporting that there were several others along for the weekend including Mrs. Whittington.

Now, it doesn't mean that it's not important that Ms. Willeford was there. Turns out that Katherine Armstrong is a lobbyist who lobbies BushCo for at least one large Swiss company that received a lucrative contract from BushCo. There were Swiss-Texas connections all over that ranch. They were there on business. What piece of our tax dollar pie did they plan to slice off together for themselves? IMO, this is really the important angle we need to be investigating, outside of the actual circumstances of the shooting. Katherine Armstrong is a lobbyist.

:rant:
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AnnInLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 05:06 PM
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33. Yeah Wonkette has something like that up
and she links to a story in the NY Post (I think), but the story goes on to say that the Swill Miss's husband was in the hunting party, but he was hunting a few fields away. Lord knows if there is any way to verify that one.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 05:07 PM
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34. More likely delay was due to alcohol
Beer at lunch, cocktail before dinner, feeling badly, to bed by 10 pm . . .
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 05:09 PM
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35. First Comment Is That Is HARDLY Breaking. We've Proposed That For Days.
Second Comment would be that though they would want to hide that as well, it is less likely to be a main reason for the delay as opposed to other theories put forth.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 05:23 PM
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36. I knew it!!! He'd only screw this up this bad if it was a broad.
I knew it. He's not stupid enough to do all this BS unless he was covering up for the existance of a woman.

Ok. Private investigators. Where was she when Harry went down? Can she provide an alibi?

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