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PhilipShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:14 PM
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Katharine Armstrong ranch owner: "There may be a beer or two in there"
MSNBC
Cheney's hunting host lobbied White House
Feb. 14, 2006

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11349649 /

Armstrong also told NBC News that she does not believe alcohol was involved in the accident. She says she believes no one that day was drinking, although she says there may have been beer available during a picnic lunch that preceded the incident. "There may be a beer or two in there," she said...
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:15 PM
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1. Maybe a Beer or Two, Or A Couple Of Tumblers Of Scotch, But
alcohol definitely wasn't involved.
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CrazyOrangeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:17 PM
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8. And the hip flasks full of Jim Beam . . .
these jerks don't even lie well . . .
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 06:00 PM
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95. Isn't that what drunks always claim?
"I only had a couple of beer, Officer, I swear."
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Stevendsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 06:04 PM
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99. Tumblers of Scotch! LOL! (n/t)
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:16 PM
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2. So, there was beer available, but she doesn't "believe" drinking a factor?
:eyes:
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:16 PM
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3. They had SOMETHING to drink that day. It was bitterly cold out.
Heavy winds coming straight out of the north. Did they drink hot chocolate? I'm betting they didn't.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:17 PM
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7. My money's on scotch or bourbon
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:25 PM
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30. Old Gutshot
Edited on Tue Feb-14-06 04:27 PM by goodhue
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:31 PM
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40. LOL! Thats great. Goood laugh.
:beer: :rofl: :rofl:
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 06:02 PM
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96. ROFL!
:rofl: Hysterical! :rofl:
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slampoet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:28 PM
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35. Isn't beer the first thing YOU DRINK WHEN YOU're COLD?


We now have our opening. It's pretty obvious that this is also false.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 05:41 PM
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88. Oh, absolutely. I always reach for a tall, frosted mug when I'm cold.
:sarcasm:

Yep, I'd call that an opening, all right.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:16 PM
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4. Interesting. Now she "doesn't believe" there was. I thought they
were pretty sure before, eh?
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:20 PM
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CHA
She knows. She fears SS man or the victim giving away secrets. I bet.

She do not intend to give her freedom up by lieing to save Snear.

180
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habitual Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:33 PM
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42. almost every damned quote by her
in the article leaves her plenty of wiggle room:

'Armstrong told NBC News in a telephone interview that she has never directly lobbied Cheney as far as she remembers.'

They really LOVE to play this 'as far as i remember' game don't they?

"Never!" she said. And she says she does not remember directly lobbying the president himself either.

'Armstrong also told NBC News that she does not believe alcohol was involved in the accident.'

'She says she believes no one that day was drinking, although she says there may have been beer available during a picnic lunch that preceded the incident.'

'She says she cannot remember which White House official the meeting was with.'

This is a joke right????? NOOOO i can't remember anything........ hjahahahhaahhahaha
YEAH RIGHT
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:35 PM
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46. Does it depend on what the definition of "is" is?
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 05:31 PM
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83. A wrongfull death suit would get her talking down the line....
especially if the victim dies, instant memory.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:16 PM
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5. Oh yeah, just an innocent Saturday spent with friends
at the ranch. Alcohol and women who are not their wives. Oh and then let's go hunting, right. :eyes:
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:35 PM
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47. Where did they mention women in this debacle that is Cheney? Did
I miss a more juicy side of this?
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:36 PM
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I will have to search for the DU thread, but there was the
Edited on Tue Feb-14-06 04:39 PM by livetohike
Ambassador to Switzerland and the ranch owner Katharine Armstrong.

Here it is: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Edit to add thread.
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:40 PM
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54. I think I just missed the inference that most people would get. But here
Edited on Tue Feb-14-06 04:40 PM by caligirl
is a photo of the US Ambassador to Switz. She looks a bit like Lynn Cheney

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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:41 PM
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56. Yes she does and I wonder what the "real" connection
is. Why was she there?
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:16 PM
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And tee martoonies...
:eyes:
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:16 PM
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6. as close as they'll come to admitting they were fucking trashed
Edited on Tue Feb-14-06 04:17 PM by thebigidea
I don't think so - but uh, maybe there was.

Yeah, that sounds convincing.
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:20 PM
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20. should a serious heart patient be out in the cold drinking alcohol.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:28 PM
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34. I get the feeling Cheney's heart stuff
is half bullshit. Just like they wanted us to believe that W is stupid, they wanted us to believe that Cheney is too sick to do much. It's all an illusion.

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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:33 PM
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45. Nah, it's actually worse than they let on.
He doesn't have a pacemaker, as the press often calls it, but an internal defibrilator, a much stronger and nastier thing for sicker patients. He's pretty ill, but that doesn't mean he can't get around and all.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:35 PM
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48. Agreed.. no one gets an AICD unless their heart is pretty bad.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:42 PM
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57. But many have a vision of a man who spends most of his time
in a hospital bed in a bunker at an undisclosed location, while this guy is always on the go, either hunting or screwing the world in some way.

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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 07:16 AM
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130. Oh, no.
Most with that device still keep going, just more slowly. He hasn't slowed down but instead has accumulated a huge entourage of medical people to have on hand when that thing starts going off.

I get so upset when the media makes it sound like it's a pacemaker. Yeah, you can feel a pacemaker going off, but that thing will knock anyone to the ground. My hubby had a patient in med school with one who went out to get the mail and had his go off, knock him to the ground, and then go off another twenty times while he crawled back to the house to get to the phone to call for an ambulance. He said it hurt like hell.

You know, there's a ring they all wear to turn it off in case they want to die. I wonder if Cheney has one.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 07:30 AM
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135. A ring would probably be too obvious and besides
that evil sonovabitch is going to hand on till the very last glimmer, no matter what.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 05:24 PM
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80. Not to mention all the medications!
Edited on Tue Feb-14-06 05:24 PM by Juniperx
Now, combine all of that with alcohol... even a small amount could lead to trouble under those conditions.



Boy, this rat bastard is just too mean to die! Imagine a defibrillator kicking the shit out of your heart ever so often!


Here is something else to consider. Many people go through extreme personality changes after open heart surgery. I know there is a medical term for it, but it escapes me at the moment. I've personally witnessed this change in four people... my veterinarian, a great aunt, a neighbor and my grandfather. The Vet got mean as hell and told me to take my dog out into a field and club it in the head until it died... he said this in front of my small children too. I've known that man all my life and I've never heard him say such a thing. That is when I learned of this situation with open heart surgery and read about it some. Dimes to donuts this prick VP of ours suffers the same.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 07:13 AM
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129. But he wasn't that nice to start with.
That really is a scary thought. Possible, too . . .
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 07:27 AM
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134. I wish he would. Please. Drink Dick, DRINK!
In Northern Alaska, while polar bear diving in a speedo! PLEASE.
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Tace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:17 PM
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9. She's Hedging Now
This is one very bizarre story... getting stranger by the minute.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:17 PM
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10. No one that day was drinking...except maybe a beer or two.
Get your fucking lies straight you Repuke dweebette!
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Cobalt Violet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:17 PM
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11. If a drunk says "a beer or two"....
Isn't more like a case or two? Most drunks I've meet are like that.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:19 PM
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16. It's amazing, every drunk driver
only had 2 beers. :)
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:24 PM
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27. "just a couple of beers, that's all officer"
that's what they always say after the wreck.

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ncrainbowgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:28 PM
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33. more like "jussafew beers, thassall offfissser."
<insert confused face here>
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Tanuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:22 PM
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25. Right you are, Cobalt Violet
It's like dog years...multiply the beers times seven for every one the drunk admits
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:24 PM
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28. Multiply by 6 is always a good rule of thumb....n/t
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Cobalt Violet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 05:39 PM
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87. So 3 beers = a suitcase
Or at least 1/2 a 30 pack.
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:33 PM
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44. you are so right. They lie about how much the drink routinely.
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ItsTheMediaStupid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:37 PM
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52. Recovering Alky here - Two beers my ass
That's what you say when they know you've had more than one.
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Last Lemming Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:18 PM
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12. Nicest part of being an elected official?
Driver included--hence no DWIs.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:18 PM
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13. well now
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:18 PM
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14. A beer or two...
classic answer when you've had way too much! LOL!

Peace.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:18 PM
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15. Fine. Charge her too under Dram Shop. nt
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indie_voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:19 PM
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17. Shouldn't the hospital know the victim's blood alcohol level?
Edited on Tue Feb-14-06 04:42 PM by indie_voter
(when he was brought in)
Maybe that is why they are even admitting to a beer or two?

I bet they'll say the victim was drunk while Cheney was stone cold sober.

:eyes:
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:36 PM
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49. would love to talk to the lab techs who ran his ETOH test
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Klukie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:47 PM
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61. My thoughts exactly!
I have posted before that these Bubbas don't drink alone.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:19 PM
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18. Two beers + psychotic neo-con with gun
Edited on Tue Feb-14-06 04:21 PM by Hissyspit
Yeah, that would about do it.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:20 PM
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19. cheney is no beer guy
aged port or brandy perhaps but no fucking beer for him.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:20 PM
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21. The fabricated 'story' is starting to fall apart..........
as anyone involved seeks to avoid getting caught up in the lies.
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:21 PM
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22. Plus, she said she never lobbied the White House "Never!" B effen' S!!!!!!
She's lying, as fast as she can make this stuff up. From same story on MSNBC linked by OP:

Armstrong told NBC News in a telephone interview that she has never directly lobbied Cheney as far as she remembers.

"Never!" she said. And she says she does not remember directly lobbying the president himself either.
<snip>
Armstrong was paid $160,000 in 2004 by the powerful legal firm Baker Botts to lobby the White House, according to records she filed with the U.S. Senate as required by lobbying disclosure rules. The records indicate she was paid the money after she "communicated with the White House on behalf of Baker Botts clients."

In a phone interview, she told NBC News that in return for the money in one case, she set up a meeting at the White House for a Baker Botts client, although she said she felt she could not release the clients name.

"A meeting for doing something with one of their clients," she said, describing the event. "Im not at liberty to say which." She says she cannot remember which White House official the meeting was with. She also said that during the inauguration proceedings, she got Karl Rove to speak at a Baker Botts function. "I got them Karl Rove," she said.
<snip>
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:21 PM
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23. "The Vice Preznit's new Press Secretary" is apparently
already up to Snotty standards. Can't wait for Armstrong to square off with Helen Thomas at the White House!
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:21 PM
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24. Was anyone wearing one of those beer hats?
The nifty ones that hold 2 cans of beer and have bent straws coming down to the mouth.

Just picturing Duck! Cheney in one of those hats makes me :rofl:
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 05:34 PM
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84. beer hat
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 05:59 PM
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94. Lovely!
Now picture Cheney wearing one.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:22 PM
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26. They weren't as thought as she drunk they were
(hic)Can't fly on one wing! Hahhaha(hic)
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:25 PM
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29. Sigh
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:27 PM
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31. He was drunk. If an addicts mouth is moving he is lying.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:27 PM
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32. Just had couple shots? tweet tweet

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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:29 PM
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36. Others here have pointed out that the delay in reporting to law officials
also accomplished a delay in potential breathalyzer testing - as if any of the locals would dare to suggest such a thing to Darth Cheney and his Imperial Storm Troopers.
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:30 PM
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37. Calling David Gregory----she would have know way of knowing
how many Cheney wolfed down. Drinkers can down them fast.


Opens the door to asking snotty McClellan at tomorrows press conference. David Gregory, here you go guy. Ask away.

:spank: Spank Snotty good tomorrow David.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:30 PM
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38. ***COMPILATION of threads on the Cheney shooting incident - LINK:
I will continue to update - I'd love it if you would too:

In General Discussion:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
thread title (2-14-06 GD): Thread COMPILATION on Cheney shooting/Fuddgate - including VIDEOS:

In the Research Forum:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
thread title (2-14-06 RESEARCH FORUM): Compilation of threads on 2/06 Cheney shooting incident, including videos
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:30 PM
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39. I think they should ban drinking while hunting.
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erpowers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 06:33 AM
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128. It Is
I think drinking while hunting is banned in most states. The problem is that Cheney was hunting on a private ranch. Private ranches can do as they please. That may be why Cheney was hunting at a private ranch. So even if Cheney was drinking on the ranch it would not be completely illegal in that the ranch is private. The real problem for Cheney if he was drinking is his personal reputation.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:33 PM
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41. Boy oh boy, this is sure getting interesting
It has gone from absolutely, positively no alcohol whatsoever to " a beer or two" Slowly but surely, as the rats abandon the ship, we'll find out there were a number of shots involved, and that the reason for the delay was they wanted to clean up all the damn bottles.

Stay tuned, this is going to get real interesting.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:36 PM
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50. So, what time was lunch?---incident was at about 5:30 or so.--several
hours lapse if lunch at high noon and would not be a concern.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:50 PM
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64. Sure, I agree if that is indeed the situationq
But somehow, I imagine that there were a few beers with lunch, and then like a number of hunting parties I've seen, shots throughout the rest of the afternoon. A flask here, a bottle there, not enough to make you puke or pass out, but certainly enough to impair one's judgement and dull the reflexes. Then BOOM, somebody was shot.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:33 PM
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43. who'll be the first brave reporter to bring up Cheney's DUIs?
or even call him on blaming the victim?
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:37 PM
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51. is it 5 DUI's at last count?
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:39 PM
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53. i saw 5, but also 2 and 3??? i think they are all on smoking gun.....
i know it's more than one though.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 05:15 PM
Response to Reply #53
74. Even Smoking Gun downplays the DUI's
Unlike Bush's, Cheney's really were a LONG time ago, according to Smoking Gun. And there were just two.
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sadiesworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 08:48 AM
Response to Reply #53
138. You're probably confusing the DUIs with the deferments...
-5 Vietnam deferments
-2 DUIs

(you need a scorecard with this crew :7)
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indie_voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:44 PM
Response to Reply #43
59. They were hunting from a car, weren't they?
Some beer, a car and guns.

But no semen stain so nothing to see here!

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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:48 PM
Response to Reply #59
62. and she was in the car, assumed the rutkus was about cheney's heart... yet
repeats the story of this guy coming out of nowhere into the line of fire... as if she had seen it.
i think that leaves the swiss ambassador as the only possible witness, aside from the shooter and vic.
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kanrok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:41 PM
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55. Probably only a couple of "shooters" IMHO
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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:43 PM
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58. If you have had a beer or two or anything that shows up in a
blood alcohol test or breathalyzer, and you get in an accident you can be shown to be at fault.
That is the lecture I got from a highway patrolman. I didn't get in an accident and I blew a zero when pulled over but I admitted to having a couple of beers or glasses of wine. He said that admission would have been enough to charge me if I had of got into an accident or hurt someone.

Even one beer will diminish reaction time even slightly.

Their whole story is too fishy.
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GumboYaYa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:46 PM
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60. "A Beer or Two" translates to a six pack , a few beers means
six-twelve, and I was a little buzzed means knee-knocking shit-faced drunk.

From a guy who has been asked "how much HAVE you had to drink?" on more than one occassion.

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Dunvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:50 PM
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63. Whittington's Blood Test's Will Probably Show Alcohol Positive...
Edited on Tue Feb-14-06 04:58 PM by Dunvegan
...and therefore we have the "ephemeral beers" that were "around".

Since Cheney stalled the local cops for over the time it would take to sober up, he's going to stick to a lie he was not drunk at the time of the accident.

But they drew Whittington's blood within a few hours of the accident. There's your "smoking globulin."

If it get's out from the lab report that Whittington was legally drunk, then the question is, what about the rest of the hunting party?

See where the "ephemeral floating beers" that were "here" "there" and "around" come in as an excersize in vaguery?

(Edited to say: Since a lab test for blood alcohol cannot distinguish between spirits and lager, they're going for the lesser damning intoxicant (beer) in the vague statements.

Doesn't fly...like those poor, fattened, 6 oz. tame quail: Rich old guys hunt squabettes with $25+ K guns and drink scotch nearly as old as they are to warm their cold, cold hearts.

Try imaging Cheney and Whittington ripping a couple of tall-boys off the 6-pack and see if you buy that one.)
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 05:08 PM
Response to Reply #63
71. Arrest Whittington for GSITFUI!
Getting shot in the face under the influence!
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 09:18 PM
Response to Reply #63
107. Unfortunately the patient-doctor privilege would keep the records secret
unless Whittington willingly releases his medical records to the public or a lab technician risks his job and a lawsuit and sells the records to the media. Or unless the shooting results in a law suit where medical records become public as part of a court file.

I would bet, however, that you are right about the presence of alcohol in Whittington's blood.
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:55 PM
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65. Two drinks for someone his weight
would likely put him above .08 blood alcohol level. Also, a friend who had gotten a DUI told me that if someone is involved in a car accident and tests positive for intoxication, that person is at fault even if the accident was not their fault.
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Maine-ah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 05:01 PM
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66. I didn't see that particular quote you have posted
in the article. Do you have a wrong link?
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 05:02 PM
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67. I know people who've taken part in these "hunts" in Florida......
where sometimes the animals are even tethered so the "great white hunters" don't have to expend too much energy during their safari. :eyes: Each one, to a man, shared stories of alcohol fueled blood-lust orgies, the great hunters proving to each other how they can hold their liquor and shoot tame animals. :puke: They start with Irish coffee in the morning, just a little "pick-me-up" :eyes: and the spirits flow throughout the day.
There's not a doubt in my mind that alcohol was involved. It's the ONLY reason that it was not reported until the following day. Cheney's a drunk, just like his boss. Between them, they could keep a DWI Lawyer employed for years.
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 05:03 PM
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68. Hey...I don't see the text you quoted in the article...
Is it the wrong link? Or did MSNBC scrub it from their site?
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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 05:07 PM
Response to Reply #68
70. Appears to have been "scrubbed"....
This google link still shows part of the quote...

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&filte...
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 05:14 PM
Response to Reply #70
73. yes, i see that
how do you take a screen shot?
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Maine-ah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 05:15 PM
Response to Reply #70
75. not there either.
it says it is, but it's not in the article.
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PhilipShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 05:21 PM
Response to Reply #70
79.  This is the second time breaking news -- from the wires -- was scrubbed
The breaking news story was at 5:14 p.m , then MSN scrubbed it during a editorial update at 5:47 p.m. and 6:07 p.m.

Intel pros say Bush is lying about foiling 2002 terror attack
Chicago Sun-Times, United States - Feb 11, 2006
... Bush to discuss security issues for Los Angeles and was turned down both times. ... now the nation’s largest federal bureaucracy, was “worthless intel that was ...

http://www.e-thepeople.org/article/51075/view
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qw3rty Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 08:58 PM
Response to Reply #79
106. Cache
Do you, or does anyone still have the original version in their browsers cache? A screen shot of the original article would be much better than a screenshot of the google search.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 08:50 AM
Response to Reply #106
140. Ask and ye shall receive! Here's the screen grab before scrubbing:
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 08:06 AM
Response to Reply #79
137. I wonder how much $$$ M$M execs get paid to scrub news quotes
damaging to BushCo---probably a good bundle from the cabal
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 05:35 PM
Response to Reply #70
86. I have a diary about this on my blog.
http://robola.wordpress.com /

And I put one up at Kos, too. Someone should take a screen shot of that google search page!
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 05:51 PM
Response to Reply #86
90. I have that
Edited on Tue Feb-14-06 05:55 PM by helderheid
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 05:55 PM
Response to Reply #90
91. I sent you my e-mail
The link is not coming through.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 05:56 PM
Response to Reply #91
93. try now - I think I have it working
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hankthecrank Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 05:07 PM
Response to Original message
69. I can't see Cheney having a picnic lunch
Some things stinks and its not a tuna fish sandwich

Not as close as they are about words they use

Same as before when she said Whitt was fine. She said his eyes were open. You don't say that if he is fine.
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lavenderdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 05:12 PM
Response to Original message
72. Looks like the MSNBC article has been 'scrubbed' of the quote
you posted. Did anyone do a screen-capture of the article before it was scrubbed??
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #72
76. I was just about to report the same thing
Definitely it has been scrubbed - hope someone captured it. Lawrence O' Donnell is suggesting Cheney was drunk.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20060214/cm_huffpost/0...

Lawrence O'Donnell: Was Cheney Drunk? Lawrence O'Donnell
Tue Feb 14, 12:53 PM ET

The L.A. Times is edging closer to the most likely reason for the 18 hour delay in reporting that the Vice President of the United States shot someone:

"This was a hunting accident," said Gilbert San Miguel, chief deputy of the Kenedy County Sheriff's Office. "There was no alcohol or misconduct."

How do we know there was no alcohol? Cheney refused to talk to local authorities until the next day. No point in giving him a breathalyzer then. Every lawyer I've talked to assumes Cheney was too drunk to talk to the cops after the shooting. The next question for the White House should be: Was Cheney drunk?

I have never gone hunting with ultra-rich Republicans on a Saturday afternoon, but I have seen them tailgating at Ivy League football games, so it's hard for me to believe that any of their Saturday lunches are alcohol free.


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OrangeCountyDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 05:19 PM
Response to Reply #72
77. You're Imagining Things.....
It was never really there. You just thought it was. The person who posted this thread just thought they saw it, and the posts since then just thought they were reading a legitimate story.

But clearly, it's not there now, so it never really was there to begin with. Do you actually think a media outlet like NBC would suddenly change a story to protect the innocent? They certainly would not. They have a reputation.......errrrrr.......to uphold.

<sarcasm off>
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 05:26 PM
Response to Reply #77
81. Believe what they say, not your lying eyes!
n/t
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 05:19 PM
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78. she just left the barn door open for an investigation
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catmother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 05:30 PM
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82. i heard today that she and her husband own a lobbying firm.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 05:35 PM
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85. Did someone capture this? It is scrubbed now!
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 05:51 PM
Response to Reply #85
89. It is no where now. Typically you can find it some where. ????
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 06:03 PM
Response to Reply #89
97. Here's a link
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 05:55 PM
Response to Original message
92. Can all the DU folks who trashed the booze and broads speculation
sign in here with their apologies?


What?



Speak up.



Every freaking time.
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 06:04 PM
Response to Reply #92
98. But Now That It's Scrubbed
did it ever exist?

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=There%...

This will probably be gone too soon
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 06:10 PM
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100. Katharine is not the owner
Her mother Anne is the owner. And oh boy, old Anne's got connections that put Katharine to shame. On the board of GM, AMEX, former board of Halliburton, first female amabassador to the UK, first chair of the Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board...

I totally blogged about Anne, if you want to know more:

http://blogslut.com/annea.html
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 06:20 PM
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101. more screen captures?
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 06:24 PM
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102. My guess?

Pepper vodka.





:rofl:
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 06:28 PM
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103. Expensive guns, expensive hooch
These guys know how to party high class! A weekend bender with Jack Daniels and shotguns is one of the greatest joys one can ever experience. I can't imagine the rush of partyin' with Macallan and Perazzis!




Note to guys: if you ever want to pull a fast one over the old lady, let her see the harmless beers but keep the hard stuff out of sight.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 06:57 PM
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104. kick
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 07:13 PM
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105. everyone should send to Keith Olberman--he missed this on his show.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 09:20 PM
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108. Get this out there guys.
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Mark5 Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 09:22 PM
Response to Reply #108
110. doh!
it was non alcoholic beer...
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 11:27 AM
Response to Reply #110
141. How do you know that? n/t
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HsiKang Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 09:21 PM
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109. Screenshot
Edited on Tue Feb-14-06 09:48 PM by HsiKang
I still have this page up from earlier today, here's a screenshot that I saved:

XXXhttp://img295.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cheney9gs.jpgXXX


Fixed, maybe: http://imageshack.us >
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 09:39 PM
Response to Reply #109
111. Welcome to DU...
Great First Post!
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PhilipShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 10:02 PM
Response to Reply #109
112. Yes, that is the original
Welcome to DU HsiKang
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 10:15 PM
Response to Reply #109
113. HsiKang! Can I ask a favor?
Can I post this at Daily Kos? And if so, what is the correct link?

Best first post EVER!

Welcome to DU.
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HsiKang Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 10:40 PM
Response to Reply #113
116. No Problem
Sure, I tried to post at DailyKos, but I just registered today and first day people can't post. Please do.
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 10:44 PM
Response to Reply #116
117. Can you give me the link to the image?
The one i see on your post only loads the first 1/3rd of the page and I guess I'm not savvy enough to grab a copy of the one you provided.

Help!
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HsiKang Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 10:49 PM
Response to Reply #117
119. Here ya go
XXXhttp://img129.imageshack.us/img129/2667/cheney3is.jpgXXX


There's one that ImageShack says is for message boards.


Copy n Paste between the XXXs.
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 11:08 PM
Response to Reply #119
122. Thank you so much HsiKang!
Here's a link to my somewhat succesful posting of the screenshot at DKos:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/2/14/182312/002#207

Welcome to DU and DailyKos!
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 12:18 AM
Response to Reply #119
125. let me see if it comes up or still has the bandwidth issue....
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 10:20 PM
Response to Reply #109
114. What a way to make an entrance - Welcome to DU!!!
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 10:36 PM
Response to Reply #109
115. wow, you know how to make an entrance.
welcome to DU!
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HsiKang Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 10:45 PM
Response to Reply #109
118. Thanks!
Thanks for the welcomes! I have the page saved in .zip format if anyone wants it to email it to Media Matters, Keith O, Raw Story, etc. I don't have their email addys. I did send it to John Amato at Crooks and Liars.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 10:49 PM
Response to Reply #118
120. I sent it to Rawstory, but more emails can not hurt for a story like this
here is a page with all news sites on one with ways to contact within each one, the only site that is missing is truthout.org

http://www.solarbus.org/election/realnews.shtml

Oh yeah could you give me the link so that I can email the actual screen shot - this is HUGH!!! and no that is not a misspelling - long story but you will see it alot on DU.
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HsiKang Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 11:08 PM
Response to Reply #120
121. HUGH?
Not sure what HUGH is, but here's the screenshot that I got to work for message boards:

XXXhttp://img129.imageshack.us/img129/2667/cheney3is.jpgXXX
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 11:09 PM
Response to Reply #121
123. Inside DU joke.
It's Freeper spelling for Huge. They tend to struggle with spelling.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 12:15 AM
Response to Reply #121
124. it should say HUGH!!111!!111!!!
and dumb people are MORANS. :shrug:
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 07:19 AM
Response to Reply #109
132. I have it here (for now). MIRRORS NEEDED...
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 07:32 AM by Junkdrawer
HsiKang's image has hit the bandwidth limit and my mirror may follow shortly...



In IE6, if you right-click on the image, you can copy it. Then go to Paint (or any graphics program) paste it and then save it to a file. After that, go to http://www.photobucket.com and open an account...

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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 07:21 AM
Response to Reply #132
133. Johnny Cougar's blog has it,too
http://robola.wordpress.com/2006/02/14/breaking-msnbc-s...

and I think many have saved it to the hard drive,as well.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 07:54 AM
Response to Reply #132
136. I posted another GD thread with your screen shot here
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PhilipShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 12:20 AM
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126. Raw Story: 'Beer quote' pulled from MSNBC Cheney hunting party article
Raw Story
'Beer quote' pulled from MSNBC Cheney hunting party article
February 15, 2006

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Beer_quote_pulled_from_MS...

An article at MSNBC's Website was edited to remove references to alcohol, that may have been available at a picnic, which preceded the accidental shooting of a 78-year-old lawyer by Vice President Cheney last Saturday, RAW STORY has learned.

The change to the article was quickly noticed by a number of liberal bloggers, and their readers, many of whom have been following this much discussed story very closely for the last few days.

In the article, credited to Aram Roston and the NBC Investigative Unit, Katherine Armstrong, a member of the family who own the ranch, revealed new details about her lobbying for the Bush Administration, and about circumstances surrounding the incident itself, which wasn't reported to the media until the following morning. Armstrong was the one who reported the news to a local news reporter, and she said that Cheney agreed with the decision.

The following paragraph was removed for unexplained reasons from the article sometime after it first was published on the Internet:
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 12:29 AM
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127. OK...So, he was drunk or he's senile....
Which is it?

(His buddy Alan Simpson said he is a very "sensitive" hunter.)
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mikeytherat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 07:16 AM
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131. Uh, Kathy, there's not s'posed to be ANY alcohol on your ranch
How do I know? YOUR OWN SIGN AT THE RANCH:



mikey_the_rat
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 08:48 AM
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139. Leave it to a Lobbyist to spread the word. n/t
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 02:23 PM
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142. "Maybe a beer or two" sounds like rationalization he was using 28 guage...
... shotgun, when it sounds like the damage was far greater than a 28 guage gun would produce, and most hunters don't just use a 28 guage gun either.
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