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blueinindiana Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:19 PM
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I am going to upset DU hunters here …

I want to talk about this term hunters now use, ‘Harvest’. I ‘harvested’ a deer; it makes it sound like I cut down some corn. I am no bleeding heart PETA member just think this term is just silly and something a Bush, Inc bot would say.

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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:21 PM
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1. If you are not vegan, I would suggest you
DUCK!



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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:21 PM
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2. Dick 'harvested' a lawyer!!!
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:26 PM
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9. Oh my................ there we go! I LOVE that. I'm going to use it!
Harvested a lawyer. That's hilarious!

:rofl:
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:22 PM
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3. I made the same comment on another hunting post.
If people want to hunt, they should just use the honest word "kill". Otherwise, it sounds like self-justification. If they don't think there's anything wrong with hunting, they shouldn't use words like "harvested" and "released".
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:28 PM
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11. Do you "Kill" a carrot when you pull it from the ground and recycle it
into your own body?
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:31 PM
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15. What utter garbage.
Killing an animal is killing an animal is killing an animal... Don't try to justify it.
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DenaliDemocrat Donating Member (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:39 PM
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21. Why would I feel the need to justify it.
You are correct, I certianly do kill an animal when I harvest it. I eat it too.

However, just because someone else kills/harvests/snuffs out the brief candle of your dinner, does not make any animal you eat any less dead.

It does not matter if it is a deer, a cow, a pig, a grouse, or a dove.

Dead is dead is dead.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:52 PM
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33. killing a veggie is killing a veggie is killing a veggie
Vegetables AND animals all come from the same Sacred Source.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:40 PM
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22. nope--just pull'em up
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:22 PM
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4. Well I am a bleeding heart card carrying member of PETA and pretty damn
proud of it.

Euphemism. It's when you pick a nice word to cover up the bloody truth. Harvest = slaughter. It's a common tactic of the bushbots. Peppered. No Child Left Behind. Superficial wounds. Patriot Act.
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blueinindiana Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:26 PM
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8. Sorry about PETA comment
I guess i got defensive.


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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:27 PM
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10. Oh no, don't be sorry about it, I'm not :-)
No offense taken at all. :hi:
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 03:03 PM
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39. Slaughter. Why not 'Murder?' Why not 'Tormented to Death?'
Edited on Tue Feb-14-06 03:03 PM by EstimatedProphet
"Harvest" happens to be scientifically oriented, for one thing. Biologists talk about a deer harvest because they are talking in management terms.
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Katherine Brengle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 03:05 PM
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41. Ditto and amen! n/t
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:23 PM
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5. That's certainly the central issue here .... n/t
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laruemtt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:24 PM
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6. dh and i moved to wv
in 1991-2. the first time i saw a "harvest" on the local news and being a vegetarian, i called them and told them i was terribly offended by having to look at their "harvest" on tv. was i naive or what...... took a while i had to learn the when in rome thing and keep my mouth shut. and hey, i've got lyme disease from hundreds of miles of hiking so if anybody has a right to have it in for the deer, i do! but i don't - just happy to be part of the food chain.... O8)
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:25 PM
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7. I forgot to say WELCOME TO DU!!!!
And happy Valentines day.
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bigscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:29 PM
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13. it is harvesting
as opposed to hunting when you drive your car up and shoot a farm raised animal that is not afraid of humans -
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:28 PM
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12. killing for sport................
and you don't think there is something wrong with this???
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:31 PM
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14. Just a NRA coined term........
to make the murder of defenseless animals more palatable to gullible Americans. Hunters kill animals, they don't "harvest" anything.
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:33 PM
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16. People that hunt out of
necessity do not talk like that. People who kill for the thrill do.
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:38 PM
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18. Hate to say this, but the majority of hunters kill for the thrill
and the trophy. They would prefer killing a buck to a doe. Does don't have antlers.
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DenaliDemocrat Donating Member (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:43 PM
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28. That is an ignorant statement
and totally off base. In Colorado, most people would much rather shoot a cow elk than a bull elk. However, the game managers strictly regulate how many cow elk are killed, males are considered less biologically valuable, and most tags can be purchased over the counter.

Some hunters do hunt strictly for the horns, but most of us hunt for the experience and the meat. Go to the DOW in Colorado homepage and see how many hunters killed cow elk vs. bull elk....you might be surprised.
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:45 PM
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30. Well i suppose i would not call them
hunters and i hate to call myself that, but i have killed a few times for meat. It was better than the alternative which would have been starving. And hunting has never thrilled me, it kinda suxx sitting or walking in the cold just to get a 50/50 chance at killing food. I much rather buy it.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:40 PM
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23. Excellent observation
I don't have a problem with some sustenance hunters (half or less maybe), most particularly in other portions of the world but guess what? Most people in less developed portions of the world expend more of their energy on grains, legumes and other plant foods because it's vastly more efficient for most of them. Not all, but most.
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:47 PM
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31. I agree
i just cant get them damn beans to grow in the snow. And the lettuce just suxx when the freeze hits.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:36 PM
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17. I consider killing animal pests for food as harvesting
Edited on Tue Feb-14-06 02:40 PM by cryingshame
and the seperation out of vegetables from animals as deserving less respect, consideration or protection as somewhat bogus.

Plants, minerals, animals are all sacred and my kin. So just as you harvest veggies from the garden, one harvests animals that are too numerous. It is, in fact, the Humane thing to do.

Here are pertinent defintions of Harvest, all of which apply:

HARVEST-

1. a mature crop
2. the quantity of a NATURAL product gathered in a single season
3. the product or reward of exertion
4. reap

I have a massive veggie garden that supplies my food. Unless you actually do something like that and NEED that food in the winter and then watch that garden get destroyed by herds of pestilent deer which occupy too small an area with no predators... please spare the rest of us.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:38 PM
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19. i have helped havest organs. It is a word that says what is done.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:42 PM
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26. It's a word that avoids what is done.
It's lipstick on a neocon.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:39 PM
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20. I think hunters have serious issues....
...unless you can't eat the food that is neatly killed and packaged for you in the supermarkets there is no reason to grab a (penis-extension) gun and kill a small, wild animal...

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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:41 PM
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24. "food that is neatly killed and packaged for you in supemarkets"?
Sorry, but I don't think it's hunters with the serious issues.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:56 PM
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35. "Neatly killed" refers to the fact that it happens away from our eyes....
...there is NOTHING neat about the slaughter of our foodstock, I was being facetious..
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DenaliDemocrat Donating Member (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:45 PM
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29. You are fooling yourself
Just because it is sterile, cellaphane wrapped, random chuck of meat does not mean an animal did not die. A living creature, which was once a doe-eyed calf, died so you could eat the Mc Donald's burger.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:55 PM
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34. Couple of things that have been missed...
1) I fully understand that an animal had to die in order for there to be food in the supermarket....

2) You are making a MASSIVE assumption that the "meat" in ANYTHING sold at McDonald's bears ANY resemblence to a cow, young OR old....

;-)
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DenaliDemocrat Donating Member (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:58 PM
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36. You are right there......
McDonald's is kind of like eating road kill, and EVEN I won't touch road kill
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:42 PM
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25. I'm a hunter. I don't use euphemisms and agree with you
When you shoot something in the woods you kill it. You don't harvest it.

I'm an omnivore. I kill and eat other living things, or have it done for me by people who sell meat to the grocery store.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:43 PM
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27. It's not speaking plainly to use the word "harvest", which
is traditionally used with non-sentient produce, to describe killing an animal.

I understand WHY someone would use it though, if they had an agenda or thought the word "kill" was too icky to use.

Say what you mean; leave doublespeak to republicans.
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sybylla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:48 PM
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32. I'm a hunter and I don't like the term "harvested"
but in its defense, it is used by my Department of Natural Resources when they talk about how successful a hunting season was in controlling a population of animals. From there, it's been borrowed. Me? I take animals or I shoot animals. I don't harvest because I find the word as disrespectful as you apparently do.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:59 PM
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37. Alright. Do you have a word you would prefer?
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 03:00 PM
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38. Target practice
with living things! That is what Cheney was doing. If he drives into the field, then tame birds are released from a cage or bag - the shooter is conducting target practice.
Hunting and harvesting just do not apply to this situation.

I think I understand the ease with which he has sent people to war so easily much better.
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 03:04 PM
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40. The more common term is actually "take"
Last year, I went hunting and took two deer.
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 03:11 PM
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42. "Harvest" is a wildlife official/game warden term
I have never known a hunter use "harvest" to describe what they do. They "bag" or "take" or "kill".

Wildlife officials monitor the yearly "harvest" of each species, and make sure that they don't have too many hunters taking too many of any given species.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 03:12 PM
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43. Just like "hunting." It sounds better than "shoot and kill."
Though I will say that there are those that truly do "hunt" but that's not the majority of today's "sportsmen" I don't think.
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 03:43 PM
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44. While we're at it...you don't "buy" chicken breasts at the store...
you're actually contracting a slaughterhouse to do your dirty work for you.
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