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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 10:19 PM
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How it happened?
Ive got problems believing the "how" of "How it happened".
Short version: No matter how you slice it, Dick almost blew this guys head off. N.B. I wouldnt
be surprised if, since the target is quite old (esp. to be running around hunting), he has other
health problems which might be exacerbated by this, leading to his demise. Dick may join Aaron
Burr in the Killer-VP category, yet.
Long version: I conclude the target was within 10 or 15 yards, at most, of Dick and possibly as
close as 5 yards. My reasons for saying this are algebraic.
Seems like the press reports the target had 40 pellets taken out of him. The press also reported
Dick was using a 28 gauge - a good quail gun if you're dedicating one gun to quail. Hes a serious
wingshooter and wealthy (28 gas are not common and usually only really expensive models), so
we can safely assume he does. (N.B. The gauge of a shotgun is a number designating the
number of equal-sized lead spheres which could be made from a pound of lead; the diameter of
those spheres is then the diameter of the shotguns bore. A 12 gauge bore is 0.730 inches, a 20
gauge about 0.57 inches. The higher the number, the smaller the bore diameter.)
A quick visit to Cabelas (The Worlds Largest Outfitter)web site reveals the standard load in a
28 ga. is about 3/4 to 7/8 ounce of shot, up to 1 ounce. The standard quail shell uses small
birdshot, #8 or #9. There's about 410 # 8 pellets in 1 ounce (more pellets if it's #9, with shotgun
pellets the bigger the number (a) the smaller the pellet and (b) therefore the more per ounce).
(Funny, Wikipedias acting up right about now and being inaccessible....)
To keep the math easy, lets say one ounce, about 400 #8 pellets. This is also an assumption
favorable to the shooter because using a lighter load (less pellets) would indicate closer/more
accurate firing into his target. I.e., we know how many pellets hit the target; to get that number
for a lighter load, the shooting would have to have been more accurate or from a closer range.
Because shotgun patterns spread. Further, assuming one ounce of pellets allows us to remove
the possibility of misreporting the identity of the gun, that the shotgun was 20 gauge instead of
28, because a very standard quail load for a 20 gauge is also 1 ounce of #8 pellets. On the other
hand, if Dick was using #9 pellets, there would be a significant increase in the number of pellets,
to about 600 per ounce.
So, about a tenth of the load in a standard 28 ga. #8 quail shell wound up in the target. So far so
good, but the reports also say the pellets were all in the guy's face, shoulder, neck and chest, but
not in his eyes. It seems like he was caught pretty squarely, and at close range if there was a
demarcation like that. There would likely be a rougher edge to the pattern if it was at longer
range.
This area on the targets body is an area roughly the size of one dinner plate, all in all
((12/2)*(12/2)*3.14)= 112 in. sq. Note, this is also an assumption favorable to the shooter. If we
assume the impact area is smaller than the rough equivalent of a dinner plate (and it probably is),
that leads to the conclusion that the pattern was more concentrated when it struck. On the other
hand, for areas larger than a dinner plate it makes the distances farther. Im not going to do a
sensitivity analysis, but Ill thumbnail it at about 3/4 of a percent change in distance per square
inch in area change.
Standard pattern density for a 28 ga would likely be about 40% of the pellets inside a 30 inch
diameter circle at 40 yards for a cylinder bore choke and 50% inside the same 30 inch circle at 40
yards for an improved cylinder choke. These chokes are favored for quail, as they are more open,
i.e., the pattern is spread more widely for a small, speedy target like quail. (See, e.g.,
http://www.ssaa.org.au/newssaa/101-StoriesReviews/shotg... ) Tighter patterns
and chokes (modified = 60% in the circle and full = 70% in the circle) are used for larger birds,
like pheasants and such. At 40 yards, all the pellets should fall within a circle of 80 inches
diameter, as a rule of thumb is that shot patterns expand radially about one inch per yard
downrange. 40 yards = 40 inches radius = 80 inches diameter.
For what its worth, as a side note (but its important), a 30 inch diameter circle at 40 yards, i.e.,
the pattern circle, looks a little smaller than (subtends a slightly smaller angle than) a dime held
at arms length. And that isnt big.
Heres the math:
30 inch = 2.5 ft.
40 yd. = 120 ft.
X diameter hand-held at arms length
30 inch distance eye to object hand-held at arms length
(2.5 ft. dia./120 ft. dist.) = (X in.dia./30 in. dist.)
solve for X: X in.= 30*2.5/120 = 75/120 in. = .625 in. (i.e. 5/8 inch)
Diameter of a dime = approx. .710 inches
Now, on to calculating the density of shot in the patterns.
Doing the math for both patterns, inside the pattern circle:
Cylinder: (0.40*400)/(15*15*3.14) = (160)/(225*3.14) = 1pellet/4.41 inches sq. @ 40 yds.
Improved cylinder: (0.50*400)/(15*15*3.14) = (200)/(225*3.14) = 1pellet/3.53 inches sq.@ 40
yards.
Outside the pattern circle:
cyl.: ((1-0.40)*400)pellets/((40*40*3.14)-(15*15*3.14)in sq.) = ((.60)*(400)pellets)/((1600-
225)*3.14 in. sq.) = (240 pellets)/(4317.5 in sq.)= 1 pellet/17.98 inches sq. @ 40 yds.
imp. cyl.: ((1-0.50)*400)pellets/((40*40*3.14)-(15*15*3.14)in. sq.)= (200 pellets)/(4317.5 in.
sq.) = 1pellet/21.58 inches sq.@ 40 yards.
This exemplifies the purpose of choking a shotgun; it concentrates a much higher percentage of
the pellets in a specified area, giving a better chance of hitting the target.
Now, we need to look at the actual density of pellets removed from the targets body. 40 pellets
removed from his face, shoulder, and neck, an area approximately the size of a dinner plate,
about 112 square inches. Once we calculate that density, we compare it to the pattern density of
the shell. This can give us a fairly good idea of how far away the shotgun was when fired. N.B.
Some pellets may have grazed his face, fallen out of a wound or even bounced off, such that a
higher number of pellets actually struck him. Only those reported as being removed are being
counted for purposes of this analysis.
The actual target density is 40 pellets/112 in. sq. or 1 pellet /2.8 in. sq.
If he hit the target with the center of the pattern, then the shot density in the center of the pattern
yields the following ranges:
Cylinder: 25.4 yd.
Improved Cylinder:31.73 yd.
Heres the math:
Cyl. 1 pellet/4.41 inches sq. @ 40 yds.
((1/2.8)/(1/4.41))= 4.41/2.8= 1.575 times closer
40/1.575 = 25.4 yd.
Imp. Cyl. 1pellet/3.53 inches sq.@ 40 yards.
((1/2.8)/(1/3.53))= 3.53/2.8= 1.261 times closer
40/1.261 = 31.73 yd.
If he hit the target with the part of the patterns outside its center (i.e., the pellets which would
strike the patterning target outside the 30 inch circle - grazing the target with the edge of the
pattern, as it were, which would be more consistent with an accidental swing into the other
hunter), then the shot density in that outer part of the pattern yields the following ranges:
Cylinder: 6.23 yd.
Improved Cylinder: 5.19 yd.
Heres the math:
Cyl.= 1 pellet/17.98 inches sq. @ 40 yds.
((1/2.8)/(1/17.98))= 17.98/2.8= 6.421 times closer
40 yd./6.421 = 6.23 yd.
Imp. Cyl. = 1pellet/21.58 inches sq.@ 40 yards.
((1/2.8)/(1/21.58))= 21.58/2.8= 7.707 times closer
40 yd./7.707 = 5.19 yd.
There are a lot places for imprecisions to creep into my estimate but I dont think they change the
result appreciably - I don't know the choke (probably improved or even cylinder in a quail gun;
cylinder makes for a more open pattern than improved, which then leads to a closer ultimate
range to get that number of pellets), don't know the shot size (smaller shot yields longer distance
to ultimate target), don't know the exact load in his shells (could possibly be more or less
shot)(heavier load leads to longer distance to target), don't even know for sure that the gun was
28 ga (a 20 ga would likely have a heavier load and therefore more pellets - longer distance to
ultimate target), and I dont know whether he gave him only one shot or both barrels. Moreover,
I dont know how many pellets actually struck him - all I know is that the press reported 40 were
removed.
So, my best estimate is as follows: Dick nearly blew this guys head off.
If it was an accident or a quick swing such that the target was caught with the edge of the pattern,
then this guy was within 5 to 10 yards when he was shot, maybe less, possibly a little more. Dick
came within a few inches of blowing this guys head off, because the pattern at 5 or 10 yards
would only be 10 or 20 inches across. The center of the pattern at 5 yards would be 4 inches
across and the edges a donut another three inches across; at 10 yards the center would be 8 inches
across and the edges another 6 inches. Given the size of a human body, he didnt miss by much.
And, remember, as discussed above the size of the pattern circle is really tiny - a dime held at
arms length.
If on the other hand the center of the pattern struck the target, then (a) he was possibly as much as
31 yards away, and (b) it was far less likely to have been a purely accidental or grazing shot. The
target would have to have been more centered in the sight picture to be struck with the center of
the pattern. Remember the size of the pattern circle. The same obtains: Dick came within a
matter of inches of blowing this guys head off.
Im sure the prisons of Texas have any number of inmates who are serving lengthy terms for
pointing and firing so cavalierly, even if their vics didnt die.. After all, pointing a shotgun in the
direction of another human and shooting evinces an intent to kill. Thats the law in NJ.
Anyone with a basic knowledge of shotguns and alegbra can do this analysis.
Now, how you can be tramping through open Texas grasslands chasing quail - with lots of people
present - and not be cognizant of a fellow hunter within 5 to 10 or even 30 yards shows nothing
good for Dick. Its either a shocking lack of situational awareness - which means he shouldn't be
hunting - or, a pretty cavalier attitude about turning and firing (particularly up-sun, as is claimed
to be the case), or a real bloodthirstiness that won't let even a single quail get away, or that the
story of how this happened is bullshit and Dick tried to whack him and make it look like an
accident.
Besides, the whole story about another covey of quail simply ignores hunting etiquette and the
way one hunts quail with dogs (and these guys would surely have had dogs; rich guys hunting on
someone's land either bring in their own dogs, or hire a handler with well-trained dogs, or the
owner provides them and the handler; viz. Tom Wolfe's "A Man in Full" has a nice vignette on
quail hunting). The dogs work up to a covey and everyone's aware of when they stop because the
dogs wear bells that stop ringing when they go on point or stop for the covey. Then the hunters
take positions and work in to the covey, often taking turns on who shoots first and allocating
fields of fire, even if only by recognition of each other's positions relative to each other. Part of
the rush of quail hunting is the not knowing when the brush will erupt with 10 or 20 birds flying
in all directions at once, and the need for action when they do. Besides, in hunting this way, one
can (at least in theory) circle around the covey to avoid the up-sun shot. The dogs locate it and
hold their point; quail are prized precisely because they hold, then flush (as opposed to pheasants,
which tend to run).
The thing courteous etiquette-observing hunters do is help their fellow hunter find his downed
birds. Its a cooperative effort and part of the comradeship or collegiality hunting is supposed to
engender. Especially if the other hunter is older than you (a concession to old guys lessened
physical fitness, if nothing else.) That Dick left his target to find his own bird was rude enough.
For one hunter to walk up to a new covey and not wait for his hunting companion to catch up so
they can both work the covey when it rises, enjoy the way the dogs do their thing, and make sure
they can both shoot safely is just rude. Beyond the pale in my book. In addition to being very
unsafe. Hogging a covey like is alleged to have been done is enough to get one never invited
again, if not end the hunt right there. Its a real breach of etiquette in my book. For Dick to have
done this, grabbing a covey for himself, as a guest of the man he ultimately shot, shows me more
about his character than anything else. The Brits used to have a term about men, to summarize
character in a phrase: "He's someone you'd go tiger-hunting with" meant he was of solid,
trustworthy character. I don't think I'd hunt anything with Dick.
Rule 1: Every gun is loaded and it should be treated that way.
Rule 2: Never point a gun at anything you dont want dead.
Rule 3: Always be sure of your target. (corollary to Rule 2).
Rule 4: Always make sure no one is in your field of fire, especially downrange of your target
(corollary to Rule 2).
Rule 5: There are a lot of other game birds, but not a lot of hunting companions. If there is any
doubt, pass on the shot.
Rule 6: The Golden Rule applies in the field, too. Youre a guest here; be a good one.
And for those who claim this is just an attempt to beat up on Dick, let's remember all the bullshit
that surrounded republican claims a few years ago about how Vince Foster's body got to the park
and Hillary's purported involvement in that.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 10:23 PM
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1. Wow. That's a lot of effort.
:popcorn:
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 10:25 PM
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2. Wow indeed. Did you do all that figuring yourself?
wow. I like your rules. One more is it is unsportsmanlike to have people throw birds out in front of you for you to shoot. (I know, I know, but still)
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 10:40 PM
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3. Beautiful work
you tell a nice story with the numbers - and I mean that in a very nice way. You also make it clear Dick is one nasty piece of crap.

Hey, is there any way to show, via your calcs, that it was an accidential discharge? Like as in, Dick stumbled and his gun went off...
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NV Whino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 10:48 PM
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5. So far stumbling
is the only story they haven't spun.
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 10:51 PM
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6. Someone suggested to me today that perhaps Dick had a stroke
Edited on Mon Feb-13-06 10:51 PM by Wickerman
and stumbled, disharging his gun. Might account for the 24 hour cleanup/ getting Dick back in shape time gap. :tinfoilhat:
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:49 PM
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12. Yes, it's a lovely piece of 'triggernometry'.
Ba-dum-bum.

Thing is it will be reported as a 'peppering'. They will do everything they can to make it look like anything other than the criminal incompetence it is.
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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 10:46 PM
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4. Wow, CSI me baby
Good work!
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thefool_wa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 12:30 AM
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7. Oh my god!
I don't think I want to know the details of this, but someone has to stop these people the utter lack of regard for life they show is the purest form of evil I have ever seen.

I am emailing this to everyone I know. I am emailing this to every congressmen in my email directory. There is no way these people can be allowed to continue to rule this country. We have to stop them before they destroy us all.

I can't believe it took them two days to come up with a story that, at best depicts Bird Shot Dick as an inconsiderate jackass with no regard for human life. They should have just said "The gun went off by itself"; the lie would have been equally as transparent, but then they aren't criminals AND bad liars. But par for the course I guess.

I just don't buy that two people hunting a covey of quail had no idea that one of their companions was down range. Even at the minimum range of 5yds he would have to have been in Dick's field of vision long enough to make him not take the shot, not wait until immediately before, or immediately after his "buddie's" head was inside a dime sized target field.

I hope the right realizes that the only reason the Sheriff's department is saying that this is being treated as an accident is because they have to. Let's hope that the good ol boys network down there has a couple of good apples in it. I'm sure its them who Bird Shot was trying send a message to.

WE MUST STOP THEM!
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cry baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 12:32 AM
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8. Did you have some extra time on your hands, or what?!?!
Glad to give your hard work the 5th recommendation!
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 01:47 AM
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9. WOW
what a read, THANKS for all the effort that went into it! :thumbsup:
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 01:57 AM
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10. A Common Dreams article posted elsewhere on DU today--
--says something about car-hunting. How would your estimates change if they were doing all this from a car?
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RazzleDazzle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:17 PM
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11. Why don't you send this to Olbermann -- AFTER making nice
paragraphs, please. too hard to read as is.
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 09:35 AM
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13. the shot size may have been 5mm -- far larger than #8s...
According to this CNN article:

Dr. David Blanchard, the hospital's emergency room chief, said Whittington suffered an "asymptomatic heart attack," meaning Whittington did not display symptoms such as chest pains or breathing difficulty. He said a roughly 5 mm piece of shot became lodged in or alongside Whittington's heart muscle, causing the organ's upper two chambers to beat irregularly.


Which raises the question of why Cheney was using such enormous shot to take down teeny-tiny qail...


(Thanks for your very interesting post! :thumbsup:)
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 09:01 PM
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14. BRAVO! Great information. I've also wondered about the dogs...
No good quail hunter hunts without dogs. Otherwise you're just out walking around a field. This whole scenario is sounding fishier by the minute. I'm beginning to wonder if a quail was involved at all.
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 09:05 PM
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15. Could you please elaborate on this? I'd like to have more detail
It will be a good job once you finish.

:) :hi:




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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 09:13 PM
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16. Absolutely excellent summary.
Please insert paragraphs, send to BuzzFlash.

And if you write screenplays, as the other poster mentioned CSI, I think this thing almost writes itself. Don't forget to include the scenario of the Swiss Miss goosing the Dick and causing him to fire prematurely. :)
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 09:19 PM
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17. Thank you for this post.
For those of us who know nothing about hunting this really helps.

Don't let the grammar police give you any crap about your paragraphs either. :)
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:46 AM
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18. the report at 'the smoking gun' states
the shotgun in question was a Perazzi 28 gauge 'brescia' model if that is any help. http://www.perazzi.com/std/coord.asp?cdSrv=catalogo_pro...

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0213061cheney1.htm... <=-- has a graphic showing where the guy was shot
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 03:03 AM
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19. I think a drunk Cheney tried to 'off' Whittington from 5 yards away.


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