Not ONE Diebold machine error registered a win for Democrats?

[Canuckistanian]

I'm sitting here listening to a pod-cast of Mike Malloy and he is saying that not ONE Diebold machine in the country showed an error that benefited the Democrats.

Is that right?

[acmavm]

1. I hope someone who knows the answer to your question will speak

(type) up because if so there's damn good proof that something was 'amiss' during the election.

[PatrioticLeftie]

It was made by Republicans

And it's purpose is to steal elections for Republicans. Malloy is correct.

[cyberpj]

2. Ask in the election reform forum - They know it all. nt.

[OneTwentyoNine]

3. Never heard of Kerry getting 3,000 extra votes before polls opened...

Amazin isn't it?? Those machines have their em..."little glitches" but they always favor a Republican. Shocking I tell you....

[A Simple Game]

29. "Little Glitches" is a better description.

Something is only an error when it wasn't planned.

[FreedomAngel82]

4. Yep

That's right. Every single error all across the country favored Bush. Not one favored Kerry or any other democrat. I remember there was one report that there was an unknown third party canidate who got more votes than John Kerry did. :shrug:

[kster]

16. Yes

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=389910

[Pachamama]

37. Coincidink?

:eyes:

Um, I don't think so....its statistically impossible....

[carolinalady]

5. All I know is Diebold is kicked out of North Carolina for failure to

disclose their software.
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[sweetm2475]

7. I didn't know that. WOO HOO on that one

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

[carolinalady]

8. Just in our newspaper a week or so ago. Election officials are

scrambling because they have all this fancy new diebold equipment and can not use. It was mentioned that some of them might try to sue the state but I have not heard anymore about that. The state is requiring that a paper trail be present when using an e-machine for the next election.

[sweetm2475]

9. Poor election officials......

Let me play my little violin.....:nopity:

[me b zola]

18. Let me guess. The SOS is repub?

That's the only reason that I can think of for election officials to sue for the right to use (at best) unreliable equipment.



edited to to say "un" :dunce:

[carolinalady]

21. Not sure-but the talk of suing was coming from districts not SOS.

[me b zola]

36. Wow. Usually the districts represent the SOS's will

At least that is what I have learned from Ohio & Florida. The SOS,Marshall, it turns out after a google search, is a Dem.

A few letters to Marshall the SOS couldn't hurt :shrug:

[AuntiBush]

32. DIE-BOLD Stocks Have Plummeted...

According to tons of links on google, and over at the Brad Blog: http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00001850.htm

[The Backlash Cometh]

41. What state? North or South Carolina?

I wish it was Florida.

[nicknameless]

42. North Carolina.

Of course, now Diebold is offering to help rewrite the law in such a way that they would be willing to comply with it.

:eyes:

[The Backlash Cometh]

43. Like the fox being allowed to fatten up his choice of hens in the henhouse

[onehandle]

14. Wish that would happen here in Georgia.

Sadly, Rove and Reed own Georgia now.

Diebold is here to stay.

[Justice Is Comin]

38. Hang on help is coming.

In the person of Abramhoff. Reed will be busier than a queen bee in a hive looking for a hole to crawl into. Good chance he'll be carted off in handcuffs.

[AuntiBush]

20. Wish They'd Kick them our of my State of MD!

[savemefromdumbya]

25. and kick out Ehrlich with them!

Hi Aunti!

[AuntiBush]

31. Oh Yes, savemefromdumbya!

:hi: right back, at-cha!

Ehrlich is HISTORY from all corners of my MD globe, BIG-TIME! Not a chance in HELL!

Edited to add BOLD for EMPHASIS! :)

[sweetm2475]

6. i heard an interview once with mark crispin miller

and he said the same thing. He just put out a book titled something like "How Republicans Stole The 2004 Election". I think the interview was with Thom Hartmann but I'm not exactly sure. Anyway they were talking about the Diebold thing and he said that ALL the complaints registered in the last election concerning the machines registering the wrong vote were in favor of Bush or the Republicans. BTW, which Malloy show was that? I would like to download it.:patriot:

[Carolab]

10. Yes it's true. And Mark's book is "Fooled Again".

You should all read it.

P.S. I am cross-posting this in the Election Reform forum for further input.

[Canuckistanian]

22. That's what I was listening to

And no, Thom Hartmann was not in on the discussion.

BTW, that was the Dec. 28th Randi Rhodes show (Mike was subbing for her).

[sweetm2475]

30. The Thom Hartmann show I was talking about

was probably more like a month ago. but definitely not last week. Maybe they just ended up talking about some of the same things.:eyes:

[Junkdrawer]

11. I guess Election Fraud could be more obvious...but I just don't know how!

A Fundy Republican billionaire buys a voting machine company, infuses massive capital, splits it into two companies that now counts 80% of the vote with secret, proprietary software written by a convicted embezzler.

And suddenly Republicans start winning every election in sight.

And Republicans fight reform that would audit elections tooth and nail.

I mean, COME ON.

[renate]

35. you put it so perfectly

I doubt that most voters have any clue that the situation is the way you describe--so over-the-top that it wouldn't ever work as fiction. And I really love the way you sum up the absurdity of the whole thing:

I mean, COME ON.

:rofl:
Perfection.

[lonestarnot]

12. Yes that's right!

[MissWaverly]

13. there has to be a money trail

you notice how everything the Republicans are involved in has a money trail, they don't scratch their toe w/o a consultant fee, stipend, donation, etc.

[OnTheOtherHand]

15. dunno about "Diebold" specifically, but

See Time for change's report
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=371211
He went through the EIRS reports and found 87 reports that favored Bush, 7 that favored Kerry -- this is referring to individual voter incidents, not big discrepancies.

(I don't know whether anyone has compiled a list of big machine-related discrepancies from 2004 that weren't fixed.)

[kster]

17. Yes here is the main thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2020121

[Canuckistanian]

24. Good thread, that explains a lot, thanks n/t

[skids]

19. Perhaps.

There were a smattering of EIRS incidents that favored Dems that I found
(#s 033761,047650,045200,055744,048034,043856,033761,055744 plus a few probably in minor races where I didn't know the parties of the candidates by name) -- half of those listed were in minor races and/or involved the machine forcing a vote where an undervote was desired. I looked a few of them up and hadn't found any Diebold among the ones I did.

That's compared to hundreds of incidents favoring Republicans.

I mean unless you count the 3rd party combined ballot squashing in NY where the 3rd parties that endorsed Kerry were not allowed to pick up votes on their line because the machines were broken. That didn't affect Republicans at all though (and they have no reason to complain considering republican lines were moving a whole lot faster due to some of the lever machines being stuck on full ticket Republican voting so they were letting people who wanted to vote that way use them, in order to speed things up.)

This was all very well blogged and such a while back. I still have the list of EIRS vote swapping broken down by state with incident numbers for 2004, if it's fallen into the memory sinkhole, if anyone wants it PM me. Might be best if you included email because it's a text file that garbles up on webpages.

[savemefromdumbya]

23. John Conyers was investigating

[autorank]

26. Vote switching is the question....see my edit at bottom

How many Diebolds have been discovered, or any voting machines for that matter, that switch from Republican to Democrat? We've never had the opportunity to have any of our questionable elections fully and fairly investigated so we don't know the number of elections lost due to Diebold or other manufacturers. That's why exit polls have been so important and that's why the attack on those polls is so fierce. We know that the means to program voting machines to switch votes, etc and that memory cards voting tabulators can be programmed to do the same. The people who make the machines, Diebold, Sequoia, ESS, AVS, all of them put language in contracts with county and other election authorities that bars anyone but the vendor, e.g., Diebold, form ever looking in the machine or from having access to the machine source code.

Now, as far as Malloy or his guest, there have been a number of functionality tests and reports by voters of vote switching in machines. They all seem to go one way, from Democrat to Republican. That's probably what they were referring to.

It's a big mess and it's been around for a long time. Look at these two articles from 1988. It will blow your mind:

http://www.newsgarden.org/columns/dugger.shtml
How they could steal the election this time! Ronnie Dugger

http://www.itl.nist.gov/lab/specpubs/500-158.htm
National Bureau of Standards Report (US Gov), 1988
Detailed outline of problems with electronic voting

When somebody says that "Nobody has ever proved an election was stolen, just tell them nobody has ever done a thorough investigation or even a half assed investigation. You let us investigate and we'll shut up if we're wrong. You stop investigations, and we'll never be quiet.

Well, check this out:
http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/29177

Gore loses 16,000 votes in Florida. That qualifies.

Here's one on 2002.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0211/S00078.htm

And more on 2002 congressional races.
http://www.americanfreepress.net/08_01_03/Electronic_Voting/electronic_voting.html

[Justice Is Comin]

39. You had the election commissioner in Florida

had a couple of kids who were able to hack into it. That's all anybody should need to know.

If kids can do it, you mean to tell me the people who wrote the damn software can't rig it? That's like saying I did not chop down that cherry tree and no, this is not the axe that I used in my hand.

[autorank]

46. Great point. We have a history of election problems from colonial

times and it's ignored today in a form of collective amnesia. If there is the means to cheat, which there clearly is, then there is going to be cheating. "This is not the axe that I used"...right, maybe it was that other axe. The truth is coming out, it can't be stopped. The Leon County Florida hack demonstrations a year ago and recently are truly awesome events because there was a consequence, Diebold was decertified in the county where the Florida state capitol is located. Victory, one step at a time.

[AndyTiedye]

27. Diebold Republican Electing Machinez

:kick:

[robbedvoter]

28. What are the odds? (See Florida 2000 for same strange "bad luck")

[Karenina]

40. How many of Choicepoints "purges"

have had their voting rights reinstated??? :shrug:

[Karenina]

48. I have asked this question

so many times... Have yet to get a response... :shrug:

[Cocoa]

33. there was some kind of glitch in Virginia

we were all following the numbers here at DU, and there was a sudden surge in Kaine (dem) votes. It was very easily explainable, I think someone posting the numbers posted one candidate's numbers to the wrong candidate and it was switched back to the right candidate, or something like that.

[IdaBriggs]

34. I believe there were TWO in Texas. Two Republican judges

who had upset members of their own party discovered they couldn't vote for themselves. (Do you think the message was delivered?) :)

[distantearlywarning]

44. I think I heard about one in New Mexico.

Some kind of local judges race.

I read about hundreds of them when I was researching this stuff in 2004, and I never heard about any others that benefitted Democrats. They all benefitted Republicans. It was astounding to me, and one of the things that made me a believer in vote fraud. By chance alone, glitches should have been about 50-50. Not only were they not even close to that, it seemed like it was more than 99-1. Very improbable without fraud, IMO.

[iconoclastNYC]

45. Counterargument

I'm on board with the theory of widespread Republican Election Fraud.

However, I think a good counter argument would be that because of 2000, all eyes were on errors in favor of Republicans.....so only Democrats reported issues.

Now I don't buy that shit at all, but that's what a smart Republican would say to spin it.

[autorank]

47. Response to "smart Republicans"

First, they have as much to lose as we do with fraud. The Fairfax Co. VA Republican party had machine screw ups impact them in 2003 and they sounded like members of the DU elections forum--open up the machines, inspect the source code, etc.

Second, how many "smart" or otherwise Republicans do you know whould hesitate to call fraud on us if they found it. The answer is about zero.

I think those two responses should about do it.

Election fraud is not a partisan issue, in fact fighting it would have wide spread public support. It's like the Voting Rights Act...who but the racists opposed open access to the vote.