"There's a tradeoff between liberty and security." Sigh.

[bigtree]

That's the new year's mantra from the White House apologists. It's an old one, but they seem to think they have a point here and are trotting it out again. Maybe they're just desperate and running out of excuses for their meddling.

I don't know why anyone would buy the argument that we have to give up our freedoms to defend them. The Bush propaganda machine seems to think there are folks out there who will. Man, that's weak. Al-Qaeda can't bomb our freedoms away according to Bush, but, he'll offer them up on his own in exchange for a piece of that totalitarian pie.

It's good to be king.

[PDJane]

1. Security

starts with Liberty.

[ClassWarrior]

11. Liberty is security. You give up your liberty, you give up your...

...ability to defend yourself from the government.

NGU.

[Inland]

2. And here's the kicker: we aren't getting security we traded liberty for

It's one thing to propose a tradeoff and discuss. It's another for Bush to secretly take our liberties and give us shit for protection in return. Is there a reason why he hasn't implemented the 9/11 commission recommendations while pressing full speed ahead with the big brother stuff? Sure is. He wants big brother more than he wants actual security from terror.

I think our founding fathers realized that crime and war aren't the only ways a citizen can get hurt. Government can legally hurt us, too, and can't be trusted entirely.

[babylonsister]

3. What real security do we have? Witness what

happened after Katrina, and we should all be able to see how messed up their gift of 'security' really is.

[mcscajun]

4. Old Line/New Line

Old: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin

New: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to obtain the illusion of security, deserve to have their asses kicked up and down the public street like the weak-kneed lamebrains they are."

I still like old Ben's line better, don't worry. :)

[tuvor]

5. I presume everyone knows the Ben Franklin quote. n/t

[Joe Chi Minh]

6. My! That sigh at the end of your heading makes it sound like..

your responding, "Sad but true...".

Not a good header, if I may say so. Your post gives a different picture, of course.

[zapp]

7. Security is the last vestige

Of these scoundrels. Ben Franklin said it best.

[Deja Q]

8. It's funny. They want to protect us from everything... except ID theft.

That's when it's up to each of us to protect and defend ourselves.

(Why? It's too costly for companies to be responsible for the systems they've created, that's WHY.)

[niceypoo]

9. Freedom IS liberty

I thought Bin laden hated us for our freedom? Does taking away our freedom make him not hate us anymore? It will never wash in this country. Let them try.

[bobbieinok]

10. give up freedoms to defend them......many think this is just fine and dand

dandy

exhibit 1: my brothers and nephew in 15 minute X-mas eve 'discussion'

one brother 'my rights end when it's a question of a possible attack with 1000s dead'

[ClassWarrior]

12. Give up your Precious American Liberty, and the terrorists win.

Simple as that.

NGU.

[Jamison]

13. FReeper pussies.

They're willing to give all of our freedoms up for security. I swear I've never seen such a yellow/scared bunch in my life.

[EstimatedProphet]

14. There is a tradeoff between liberty and security

Freedom by nature isn't secure. Being secure isn't being free. They aren't the same. I don't have a problem with that-I have a problem with people who believe that it's the government's job to make us secure. It isn't. Life is full of risks. Now, the government can do things to lessen those risks, such as a social safety net, but it shouldn't be government's job to see to it that nothing happens to us. For that to happen they must take our rights away, because freedom and security are polar opposites.

[Marleyb]

15. just found this picture...

We should send this to all republicans



he said he got the idea from a DUer