Jimmy CARTER: Bush has BROKEN THE LAW

[Bluebear]

HENDERSON, Nev. - Former President Jimmy Carter criticized the Bush administration's domestic eavesdropping program Monday and said he believes the president has broken the law.

"Under the Bush administration, there's been a disgraceful and illegal decision — we're not going to the let the judges or the Congress or anyone else know that we're spying on the American people," Carter told reporters. "And no one knows how many innocent Americans have had their privacy violated under this secret act."

The former president also rebuked Attorney General Alberto Gonzales for telling Congress that the spying program is authorized under Article 2 of the Constitution and does not violate the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act passed during Carter's administration. Gonzales made the assertions in testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee, which began investigating the eavesdropping program Monday.

"It's a ridiculous argument, not only bad, it's ridiculous. Obviously, the attorney general who said it's all right to torture prisoners and so forth is going to support the person who put him in office. But he's a very partisan attorney general and there's no doubt that he would say that," Carter said. "I hope that eventually the case will go to the Supreme Court. I have no doubt that when it's over, the Supreme Court will rule that Bush has violated the law."

The former president said he would testify before the Judiciary Committee if asked.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060207/ap_on_re_us/eavesdropping_carter

[LSparkle]

1. OMG ... does Specter have approval over who testifies?

Or could Leahy invite Carter?

[EFerrari]

4. I think he does. He can be challenged with a vote but you

know where that goes.

[Canuckistanian]

90. Ah, but think of the negative publicity

"Former President Refused Standing at Wiretap Hearing". I'd love to see that.

[Tigress DEM]

78. Specter will go for it if he is serious about his position.

Specter has said this is illegal and if he wants to be re-elected in 2006 he probably wants to distance himself from *ush big time.

We could let him know what a positive contribution Carter's testimony would make and that if he's not running a Kangaroo Hearing he will bring in ALL pertinent witnesses.

[PurpleChez]

104. Specter isn't up for reelection this year, BUT SANTORUM IS

and my homies back in PA are poised to boot that shithead out on his ass.

[WinkyDink]

112. Right with ya, Purple Chez!!

Ricky is TOAST!!

[PurpleChez]

126. Last time I tried, if you go to the Google main page, enter "Santorum" and

hit "I'm feeling lucky" you end up at a rather gay website devoted to the senator's namesake byproduct.

[bettyellen]

127. that's an anti santorum website, not a "gay" one.....

but whatever, tks for "spreading" it, i guess.

[PurpleChez]

141. I was using "gay" in the way C. Montgomery Burns might use the term,

(as in "a gay evening") but with the irony and double entendre very much intended of course. But I understand, since you couldn't hear my menacing "excellent!" spoken while tenting my fingers while Bob Dole reads from the Necronomicon, that it might not have been possible to pick up on that. As a staunch straight-but-not-narrow kind of dude I want no misunderstandings in such areas. Thanks!

[AllegroRondo]

125. Specter sounded serious in his final questioning yesterday

I was impressed - he actually had some very pertinent and probing questions that made AG tap dance.

[EFerrari]

2. Thank you, Mr. Carter, for saying out loud what everyone is thinking.

:kick:

[Supersedeas]

143. I second that thank you. Recommended too.

[stepnw1f]

3. WOW... a Former President! (nt)

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

17. Jimmy Carter

I was wondering when Jimmy was going to speak out ,If he ever has the oppertunity to say what he inherited when he became president ,that will be right where the buck stops.I have broken fourteen framming hammers on the job down that subject line.It,s just a nail.

[buddysmellgood]

21. A real one too.

[GreenPartyVoter]

5. Bless you Mr. President!!

[yorkiemommie1]

6. read and rated

Jimmy Carter is one of my heroes.

[mikelgb]

7. Kick

[PhilipShore]

8. Thank you...

I rather figured that in the end --the Supreme or Federal courts would decide this.

[electropop]

23. That's what Alito is for.

When it gets to the SC, Bushitler wins, no matter what the question is, from now on. 3rd Term? Fine. Round up all Democrats? Go for it.

[Bluebear]

101. I am afraid of that. nt

[JuniperLea]

9. God Bless Jimmy Carter

For speaking out.

He has a great post-presidential career too.

Wow! Look at me! Singing the praises of a Christian POTUS! :) It's not what a man "is" or professes to be, it's in his actions. Hmmm... didn't Jesus say something about letting your life be the witness to your faith? All the preaching in the world doesn't speak as loudly and as strongly as Jimmy's actions.

[browndog]

80. A Christian POTUS

Juniperx,

Yes, Jesus did say much about letting your life be the witness to your faith. It's an important thing for us all to remember.

BD

[PurpleChez]

105. Good point, and welcome to DU!

Mr. Carter is one of my heroes too. One of the only things that makes me proud of my adopted Georgia (outside of musicians).

[nytemare]

10. His recent book was a good read.

A truly good man.

[Disturbed]

13. "Respect the Law. Arrest GWB now!

Former Pres. Carter is an honorable man.

[MelissaB]

38. I ordered it for Christmas.

It's time to read it.

:kick:

[AspenRose]

49. I bought it this weekend

Began reading it....:thumbsup:

[nytemare]

53. He is an example of what a Christian is supposed to be.

Charitable, faithful, and responsible. A realist and idealist.

[namvet73]

102. Just read the book. Carter walks the walk! Highly recommend!

While some talk Christian values, Jimmy Carter lives them. He is also supportive of other religions.

I just finished Carter's book "Our Endangered Values". This book is extremely educational. He talks about what Jesus REALLY taught and how radicals put their own "spin" on the Bible.

It is extremely critical of the Bush administration compared to all previous administrations including former Republican administrations.

It is non-partisan.

Out of 5 stars, I give it TEN!

I have gotten bored easily by some of the new books, but this was a PAGE TURNER!

[jeanarrett]

121. I just picked it up last night from the library--and you're right

it's shaping up to be an excellent read.

[nytemare]

150. He has to be one of our most intelligent presidents.

Of course, it may just seem that way in comparison to what we have now, but in the last 60 years, I would say he, Clinton, Kennedy, and Eisenhower seemed to have the most brains. Nixon was probably smart, too, but he was also a little crazy.

[Grateful for Hope]

11. A real president

I wish I had the same faith in the SCOTUS that he does, though. I will never forget the 2000 gift that they gave to Bush.

Maybe President Carter knows something I don't. One can hope!

[FreedomAngel82]

12. It'll damn them if they do ask him to testify

Can the democrats ask him? We should get rid of this nonsense that Carter and Clinton did it too.

[AntiFascist]

14. Don't forget, Carter may have been a victim of foul play by Republicans...

during the October Surprise, also indicating collusion between neocons and Muslim extremists.

[Straight Shooter]

15. Clinton should testify also.

After all, he's the one whom they keep holding up as an example of a president who committed an illegal act of searching without a warrant, but the facts be damned as far as the Repubs are concerned.

I'm trying to think of an old saying, something along the lines of "to only tell part of the truth is to tell a lie." That's the Republican way. Part of the truth. That explains why they refuse to testify under oath, whenever they can get away with it.

The Attorney General would not testify under oath. Disgraceful.

edit: gremlin dancing on my keyboard

[LuCifer]

24. Cuz he wouldn't wanna upset his new "brother" BU$Hitler 41

And you see, Clinton doesn't hate America and doesn't wanna aid the terra-ists like Jimmy does :sarcasm:

[JanusAscending]

93. As much as I detest them all, ..........I'm sorry to say you are wrong.

He was willing to be sworn in, but Spector said "it wasn't necessary, because lying to congress has the same penalties as lying to the Feds" They got into a heated argument about it (Spector and Schummer)Dems insisted on a vote as to whether the Attny. Gen. should be sworn in, because the Repubs made Janet Reno tesify under oath when they questioned her ( I forget about what)

[WinkyDink]

115. Of course, Specter has it backwards: If it's redundant, WHY NOT DO IT?

It's like I tell ignoramuses who say, about politicians, "They're all the same": FINE! Then VOTE for MY candidate!

[JanusAscending]

154. Amen! You're right of course!!

n/t

[jazzjunkysue]

16. Now, that's Presidential. Standing ovation.

Bravo, Mr. President. Bravo. You love your country.

[AzDar]

18. kick!

[WillyT]

19. K & R !!!

:kick:

[SeattleGirl]

20. Bravo, President Carter!

I have so much admiration and respect for that man.

[Zen]

22. Well, I hope he is allowed to testify.

It would be nice to hear from someone with integrity.

[DemonGoddess]

25. I REALLY hope they

invite and then allow President Carter to testify. Should be eye opening.

[WI_DEM]

26. As usual he is laying it on the line

and telling it straight.

[kenny blankenship]

27. Avoid small planes, President Carter!

[Just Me]

28. Thank you, President Carter. WE need you!!! We need EVERYONE,...

,...who hold any influence to speak out, speak loudly, speak persistently and speak TRUTH on our behalf.

Thank you. Thank you!

[Nutmegger]

29. Well spoken words from our former President.

I have a lot of respect for Carter. :D

[Garbo 2004]

30. Well of course he broke the law. Only the Bush administration flips back &

forth between "Uh, no we didn't" to "We're above the law because we say we are." They might as well just plop Scottie up there and tell the world "Warrants? Warrants? We don't need no stinkin' warrants." Or, "The law is for the little people. Not us."

[Odin2005]

31. GO JIMMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:woohoo:

[ClayZ]

32. Thank you, Jimmy Carter

:applause:

[electron_blue]

33. c'mon jimmy, don't let this drop.

[lavenderdiva]

34. AND I'd bet he'd testify under oath, if asked as well...

unlike anyone from the current regime. President Jimmy Carter isn't afraid of the truth, unlike anyone from the current regime.

[merbex]

40. I think Carter would stand and swear to tell the truth even if Specter

ruled him out of order

What an image that would make

[DemoTex]

35. Long live Jimmy Carter, in mind and body. Please.

Jimmy Carter is our government's Check-and-Balance now. God protect him, please!



My old friend Gov. Jimmy Carter strapping into a Grumman Mohawk OV-1 (Widow Maker). Gut's 'n Glory. Coming up for air after all those years submerged as a nuclear submariner. A man with the decency to keep the "package" hidden with a parachute harness on. Eh?

[Disturbed]

36. Pres. Carter also said that...

the Dems won the 2000 Election.

[Tigress DEM]

79. You know the man is honest to the core.

We didn't know how good we had it back then.

[Lochloosa]

113. Looks to me like he is wearing a cup....

just saying...

[WinkyDink]

116. Bet Jimmy/Jeff and Scotty loved this photo.

And Ken Mehlman, Jeff Sessions, Lindsey Graham, Ari, .....

MonkeyBoy is too proud of not much.

[wicket]

37. My President is Jimmy Carter

:patriot:

[hootinholler]

39. Ooo! Great idea?

Invite Jimmy, Poppy and Big Dawg to explain how they played within the law.

-Hoot

[gordianot]

41. This is great and may be Carter's legacy, an unbelievable comeback.

[disndat]

48. Amen!

Like rain after a long drought.

[gordianot]

50. Welcome to DU.

:hi:

[yodermon]

42. THANK YOU President Carter

Big Dog, you're up.

[Sparkly]

43. There's no question he violated the law

I think the only question is whether Republicans will do anything about it.

And if it goes to the USSC, I doubt they'd do anything about it, either.

[EFerrari]

58. That's the talking point: There's no question he violated the law.

The only question is whether the Republicans will do anything about it.

:thumbsup:

[slingsam]

44. Hmm......a whole new philosophy...from an old guy!

Truth in Government!

[SPKrazy]

45. No One Knows Who Has Had Their Privacy Violated!

And we are supposed to trust Gonzalez to tell the truth when not under oath? Or was he saying he'd be lying to us either way?

I've had it with this crap.

Dem Senators grow some balls, demand this change, or walk the fuck out of the hearings!

[tinfoilinfor2005]

46. I was really shocked by that cutesy little smirk Gonzalez had on his face

today, blatantly showing his contempt. It was written all over his face: "Yeah, you're on to me, but in the end, you can't do anything about it."

Carter pegged this creep.

[0007]

52. Gonzales, junior, Cheney, and Condi all have wried facial gyrations,

Rumsfeld does his act with his hands.

[wherewingstakedream]

47. President Carter is the conscience of America

I am so proud I worked in his Presidential campaign in Mississippi in 1976. It was the last time Mississippi was won by a democratic presidential candidate and when Mississippi was called for President Carter by the networks election night--it was our electoral votes that gave him the presidency.I wish we had a president with an ounce of his integrity,honesty,and decency--it would be an infinite improvement.

[stevedeshazer]

61. Wow, that's a great story

Good for you. Carter is the first President I ever voted for. I even wrote a song about him.

[Dunvegan]

51. Well, I would have given most anything to have been in the room...

...with President Carter today as he watched this travesty unfold.

President Gore made the Clarion call to the people to defend their nation.

President Carter is rising to defend his beloved country.

It's a hard side to be on, but the only side: Truth and Justice.

Now some Democrat had better rise up and give that man his invitation post haste or we should ALL know the reason why.

Who do we call? Let's man the phones and faxes.

I want to see this happen, and happen NOW!

[rateyes]

54. I am SO glad that the president who signed the FISA..

law is giving a lesson to the chimp who is breaking it. Glad Jimmy's a Georgian.

[Jose Diablo]

55. I don't know if he would be up to it

But I think Carter would be an excellent choice for the Dem's in '08.

He would pull the south and probably most of the north and west.

He's getting on and it is a strenuous job, but he would be motivated to set things right.

He has to know what Bush I and Reagan did to him in 80, with the Iran embassy hostages. It'd be payback time for the Democrats to the Republicans, big time.

Edit: We would have to keep him safe though.

[thereismore]

56. " I have no doubt that when it's over, the Supreme Court will rule that"

Emperor bush* has not violated the law. In fact, he upheld his Constitutional doody to per-tect the murkan people, by a 5-4 decision lead by the chief justice Alito.

[Beam Me Up]

97. And then we, good citizens that we are, abide by that ruling.

[LibertyorDeath]

57. Excellent! Now where's the Big Dawg we need him now more than ever

to back up Gore
To back up Carter

Get your frigging butt out their in front of the cameras Clinton
and denounce these Fascists

What are you waiting for....

[Nashyra]

59. I met President Carter today

I was able to meet him, shake his hand and have him sign a copy of his book. Jack Carter has been in Northern NV campaigning for US Senate, even though he just made it official today. I was able to tell Pres. Carter that I was honored and humbled to have his son as a guest in my home and he said, "thanks for taking care of my son" along with a pat on the back. Rosalyn is just as graceful as can be, I had a picture taken with her when she was in Sparks and she signed it for me. The whole family is just like "the nice family down the street" Jack has a great message and I will be working overtime to help get him elected.

It was a great afternoon and Jack Cartewr was well received as well of course was his dad and mom. President Carter has a twinkle in his eye and looks much younger in person. It was a great day in Carson City.:bounce:

[ClayZ]

68. Sweeeet! Good for you!

[LibertyorDeath]

73. You're very fortunate

Hope his son makes it to the Senate !

[Wordie]

60. K&R...I hope someone asks him to testify. It would be hard for the

Republicans not to let him testify. It wouldn't look good for them to refuse, as he is a President, and because the FISA law was passed during his administration, so he would have valuable knowledge.

[Geo55]

62. Ya know why Jimmy looked so bad in his day,

zackly what you people been bitchin' 'bout all this time.
He's a real human....cares about common folks...actually goes an' builds houses for common folks,
puts me to shame.

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[DemonGoddess]

71. *Ahem*

Yep, I'm old enough to remember his presidency, especially since I voted for him...

[brer cat]

77. I'm old enough and was born right down the road from him...

what's YOUR problem? He's been one of the greatest leaders this country has ever seen. Ever hear of the Nobel Peace Prize?

[DirtyDawg]

123. I'm sure you'll be blaming geedubya too...

...Mark my words, the day will come when even the most partisan among you, and even the biggest of the fools that continue to prop up geedubya bush will - at least to yourselves - come to realize how wrong you have been...and how deceitful, and arguably criminal, this administration has been.

We look back on the 'Carter Years' and ask ourselves how and why it could have seemed so bad at the time? Stagflation...the hostages...high gas prices feeding the stagflation...the sense that this group of 'crackers' lacked basic leadership ability and their naivete...All these things combined to give his critics the fodder they needed to ridicule and belittle the Carter administration into the perception that is was weak and ineffectual.

Now, all these years later we are better able to answer some of those questions...to evaluate the positions he took and the decisions he made...to understand the forces that were lined up against him. Geedubyabush would couch it as how history looks at it, only we're not dead yet. Among those answers are that the inflation/stagflation he inherited from the previous, repig-ruled, years, was held in the grip of OPEC-controlled oil/gas shortages and the corresponding high prices, were influenced, and indeed, masterminded by repig dominated Big Oil. But even with that Jimmy's appointment of Paul Volker to head the Fed proved absolutely the right move and positioned us for the growth of the last 20 years of the century. The hostages - the reason for which was the bitter reaction to our - again Republican-led effort - putting the Shah in charge in Iran. Along with the negotiations between the repig party and GHWbush and his buddies in the middle-east to ensure they wouldn't be released while Carter was in office. As for the leadership thing, the Washington establishment - Republican and Democrat, bureaucrats and media - has a way of shunning outsiders, and Jimmy and his people were the ultimate outsiders...hell, he even had to kick Teddy Kennedy's ass in the primaries just to be re-nominated...unheard of for an incumbent President. I've come to understand that the man's leadership was inspired and based on his, and he believed to be the country's, basic goodness, indeed her soul. I'm sure there are plenty of things he would have liked to have done differently, but he didn't deserve then, and certainly not now, to be labeled a failure. His four years were critical and his moral leadership essential in trying to cleanse ourselves of the previous eight years of Republican corruption and hatefulness. And if he had had four more years we could have avoided what objective historians are seeing as the beginning of the time where we, again as a country, have lost our soul and our way.

No, you and yours shouldn't be allowed to criticize Jimmy Carter...you couldn't even carry his jock strap, let alone have the cajones to fill it.

[Ladyhawk]

63. Jimmy Carter rocks.

Damn, I think he really got shafted by the Reagan campaign. :( I would like to go back and take a look at his presidency. I was always told he was a "good man" but a "bad president." Now I wonder if the latter is even true.

[Jose Diablo]

106. I don't think he was a "bad" president

I think any failures were because of DC and it's corruption. DC, with the help of the media, rolled out a smear campaign and provided a tin-plated phoney to replace Carter. The people bought it.

[Ladyhawk]

129. My family sure did. I was too young to question.

I was also too well-kept in a bubble to question until I was on my own more at eighteen. I'm still pissed off about the brain-washing I received.

[Maestro]

64. Carter is a model for what a president should be!

Honest, no matter what that honesty may bring, derision, confusion, or gratitude. And he continues to be that sort of model out of the Oval Office. I wish more were like him.

[Name removed]

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[Geo55]

70. No , but maybe you should be. n/t

[journalist3072]

66. And if anyone knows about the illegality of the spy program, it's

President Carter. He was the one who orignally signed the legislation that created FISA, correct?

So he knows what he intended FISA to be, when he signed it into law.

They really should call him as a witness.

[leesa]

69. A REAL President speaks out.

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[Tigress DEM]

81. Welcome to DU.

I beg to differ, though.

Carter was a President of integrity.

He looked at the oil crises and created the windfall profits tax so that those profiting from the crises would help pave the way for US getting less dependent on the oil and hopefully averting the same crises down the road.

If Reagan had not dismantled that windfall profits tax we would be able to set up alternative energy enough to get us out of this mess with the insane profits the oil companies have made.

Jimmy respected common folk and supported them getting a fair break. He would have had a much different response to the air traffic controller strike for instance. The man got the Middle East Peace talks moving closer than most had toward a solution.

It's almost what Carter is NOT that makes him great. He is NOT in it for the money or the prestige. He was there to be a servant to the people. He solved the problems put before him in a quiet way, but he solved them.

Contrast that with Reagan who came in and wrecked the Unions by busting the Air Traffic Controllers strike, putting his Presidential nose in where it didn't belong. Was that really best for the country? Air traffic controllers needed some say in their lives, they have THE most stressful jobs on record. The things they wanted would have made all of us safer in the air.

[Warren DeMontague]

99. Code Name Hardhat! HARD HAT!

"Bye Bye, Lardass!"

[IDemo]

72. flashback: 1976

I had the distinct pleasure of casting my first vote at the age of 18 for Jimmy Carter. I would do so again in a heartbeat. I'm happy to see him remain as a voice for integrity in American politics, and strongly recommend his latest book, Our Endangered Values : America's Moral Crisis.

[YvonneCa]

75. Carter and Gore...

...both speaking out on this. YAAAAYYYYY!!!!!

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[Tigress DEM]

82. Why wouldn't it be?

[jobycom]

88. When men of integrity denounce monsters, yes, it's a very

good thing.

[sonias]

83. Jimmy Carter tells the truth

He said the 2000 election was stolen too.

"There's no doubt in my mind that Al Gore was elected president.
Jimmy Carter

How I miss Presidents that knew how to tell the truth.


Sonia

[Vidar]

84. God bless you, Jimmy.

[kiteinthewind]

85. Jimmy Carter has been my HERO for 25 years!!

He was too honest to make it in politics, IMHO! His latest book is awesome, but you should all check out his other books, even the poetry! He is one humble, honest, TRUE Christian man!!! We love you, President Carter!! :hug:

[shanti]

86. go, jimmy, go!

dang, i love that man!! :loveya:

[fearnobush]

87. Carter: Most integrity of any Prez.

"It's a ridiculous argument, not only bad, it's ridiculous. Obviously, the attorney general who said it's all right to torture prisoners and so forth is going to support the person who put him in office. But he's a very partisan attorney general and there's no doubt that he would say that," Carter said.

[orleans]

89. yes, but would he be sworn in??? n/t

[gkhouston]

131. I'd like to see Specter explaining to Carter why he would

not be taking the oath... because I suspect Carter would request it. Saying no to former Presidents, even from opposing parties, is not easily done in public.

[savemefromdumbya]

91. When former presidents and vice pres. complain - must be something wrong

Bill Clinton needs to clarify things too?

[berni_mccoy]

92. Did Gonzales REALLY invoke Article 2? There is nothing there

That would allow the President to override Laws passed by Congress.... incredible!

[namvet73]

103. Gonzales is an expert stonewaller! n/t

[NewJeffCT]

107. They hope to throw enough BS out there

that it confuses enough people, or at least creates a reasonable doubt.

[earth mom]

94. Thank you Jimmy Carter!

And stay safe would ya?!

[Quixote1818]

95. Now it's time for Clinton, Mondale, McGovern and all the big league Dems

to back up Carter!

[suffragette]

96. Maybe we should all send this to the committee members

and encourage them to take President Carter up on his offer.
He is the finest expert to be able to testify to the intent of FISA.

And thank you, Mr. President for always making me proud and happy that the vote for you was the 1st vote I ever cast.

[NVMojo]

98. I love you, President Carter! Thanks for saying what we all want to say!

[Warren DeMontague]

100. Jimmy Carter gets it. Al Gore gets it.

Lets hope those members of our party who are more interested in playing kissy-face with this Administration than keeping them within the bounds of our Constitution wake the fuck up, too.

[abester]

108. I applaud president Carter as well, but...

...I'm not so sure as he is that "...the Supreme Court will rule that Bush has violated the law." Only time will tell.

By the way. Please forgive my ignorance, but since when are nouns that are not the first word of a sentence written with a capital letter, which is customary in german? (Referring to everyone's use of 'President' instead of the correct 'president')

[WinkyDink]

117. You are ignorant, then. When nouns are titles followed by the person's

name, they are ALWAYS CAPITALIZED!
Queen Elizabeth, Secretary Rice, President Bush, CEO Trump.
And have you never heard of proper nouns? You know, like the name of, say, a state? Or would you write "new jersey"?

(I taught English. Somebody led you pretty much astray in second grade.)
(P.S. It's "German".)

[abester]

119. Ah

I see. Thanks for the clarification! :)

[moondust]

109. It is ridiculous.

The framers of the Constitution are surely rolling in their graves over this claim to unlimited executive powers and suspension of checks and balances during "wartime"! (Exactly whom are we at war with and when was war declared?) No way they would create an opening for an omnipotent King!

There is a current MoveOn ad playing that reminds us that Nixon misused the NSA to spy on Americans and apparently claimed executive powers. It probably wouldn't hurt for somebody on the judiciary committee to hammer this Nixon case home with vigor.

[wherewingstakedream]

110. Kick

for an american hero.

[mdmc]

111. Love JimmY

peace!

[mnhtnbb]

114. Uh, dream on, Jimmy...

that the "Supreme Court will rule that Bush has violated the law."

The Supreme Court that violated the law by putting Bush in office? The Supreme Court that has recently been joined by two right-wing Bushevik cronies?

Sounds like President Carter is in dreamland.

[NewWaveChick1981]

118. I grew up in GA when Carter was gov...

...and was very happy when he was elected President. I was too young to vote in the 1976 election, but both of my parents voted for him. They always said he was a man of integrity. He's soft-spoken but tells it straight.

You know, with all the discussion about religion and the theocracy that's been established here (whether we like it or not), a good person is a good person no matter what their beliefs---religious or not. Mr. Carter practices what he preaches.

I'm READY for Jimmy Carter to tear W a new one (and do it in a straightforward, no-BS manner!). The committee should get him in there to testify!

[hippiechick]

120. I would like to see Poppy testify against his evil spawn ...

... purely for the shits and giggles of knowing that boy George will be having a tantrum in his room.

[Citrene]

122. Finally! What will Specter do now? n/t

[debbierlus]

124. Kick And Recommed!

Thanks for the post!

Excellent!

[wherewingstakedream]

128. Kick

for my president. :bounce:

[wherewingstakedream]

130. .

:bounce:

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We Love you President Carter.

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[Stand and Fight]

137. As usual, President Carter tells it like it is.

God bless that man.

[texpatriot2004]

151. Amen. nm

[Ksec]

138. I have no doubt that he broke the law.

I wish he would get busted on his bogus lies to get the war started first.

[ArmchairMeme]

139. Carter is awesome

After watching what this administration has done. My first thought upon hearing about the secret wiretapping was that this administration did not go through FISA because it did not want a paper trail. Therefore it would be difficult for anyone who had been wiretapped in this manner to get redress through the courts and it would enable the potential terrorist when going through the court to claim that the information was gained illegally so the case could be thown out.
This becomes a lose/lose situation for all concerned especially the President who declared on national television that he broke the law and would do it again.

Now to watch the so-called hearings on CSPAN having their friendly conversation with the attorney general. Specter stated it was not necessary for the attorney general to be sworn in so, it was not testimony but merely a friendly conversation. The attorney general repeated over and over the talking points of the administration just as was being done in the other "meetings" by Bush on his road trip. This was merely an opportunity for the administration to get a day of national PR through CSPAN.

I am now seeing reports that the valuable results from the wiretapping is about .01%. That is not a very good result from a very expensive exercise.

[wherewingstakedream]

140. Kick

We love you President Carter. :bounce: :loveya:

[dchill]

142. If Carter does testify....

I bet they swear him in..

[faithnotgreed]

144. president carter - just about the only living former politician i respect

that i can think of anyway..... though i would hope there would be more than one name on that list i cant think of any

al gore has said and done some mighty things in the past years so he is also on the short list

[jackstraw45]

145. Time to grow a set, Bill. Back up President Carter!!!! nt

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[Dembo98]

146. Question?

Being an avid reader and never wanting to sound stupid, I have been doing a lot of reading on FISA. As much as I don't like it, it seems to me that if you look at a couple court rulings (the "Keith case" and the "Truong case), the courts of appeal are unanimous in their decisions that warrantless wiretapping is OK when the primary purpose is for foreign intelligence. Even if one of the parties is an American citizen. Please tell me I am reading these rulings wrong. If not, it seems to me that the courts have already ruled and that it is legal. Someone help.

[soulcore]

147. sure it's legal, but the executive branch only has 15 days to

go back and prove why said wiretapping was necessary. The problem here is that the administration sidestepped the FISA court not once, but multiple times, for a warrant that, it seems to me at least, had no legal justification, or even probable cause.

In the entire history of the FISA court I believe they've turned down something like 15 requests. Why would they turn down a legitimate warrant for wiretapping terrorists?

[Dembo98]

148. Question#2

Where did you find the 15 day answer? I had read where that was a proposal but that the 15 day requirement was never passed into law. Primarily because that would give too much power to the Legislature and they cannot infringe upon Executive power. I would like to read what you read, please pass along the source. Thanks, good stuff.

[soulcore]

149. I don't have a link to the specific legislation

but I've read that 15 day number is several articles, both from mainstream and alternative sources.

Google is your friend, give it a go and I'm sure you can find whatever it is you're looking for.

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I love my president. :bounce: