What's wrong with saying this: Democrats are business friendly when business is America friendly

[yurbud]

[C_eh_N_eh_D_eh]

1. How do you define "America friendly"?

That means something different to every American.

[yurbud]

3. jobs, working conditions, product safety...I'm thinking of a counter to GOP talking points

[Vincardog]

2. What is wrong with saying that when it comes down to Business vs worker DEMOCRATS are PRO WORKER?

[yurbud]

4. I agree but I'm thinking of an effective way to neutralize or trump GOP talking points.

[Vincardog]

8. Maybe instead of worrying about GOP talking points we should define ourselves.

I believe we should stand up for the working people and the environment and let the people see there is a real choice.

One way leads to peace and prosperity the other to disease and death.

Guess which side I and to be on?

[yurbud]

10. your middle sentence is what I'm aiming for--people pay attention to conflict and contrast

Democrats often say the nice things they would like to do, but fail to say what the other side will do by contrast, or they so sugar-coat it to be inoffensive that it is ineffective.

[EVDebs]

5. Corporations exhibit psychotic behaviors

The movie The Corporation has a synopsis (click under 'the film')

http://www.thecorporation.com

""To assess the "personality" of the corporate "person," a checklist is employed, using diagnostic criteria of the World Health Organization and the standard diagnostic tool of psychiatrists and psychologists. The operational principles of the corporation give it a highly anti-social "personality": it is self-interested, inherently amoral, callous and deceitful; it breaches social and legal standards to get its way; it does not suffer from guilt, yet it can mimic the human qualities of empathy, caring and altruism. Four case studies, drawn from a universe of corporate activity, clearly demonstrate harm to workers, human health, animals and the biosphere. Concluding this point-by-point analysis, a disturbing diagnosis is delivered: the institutional embodiment of laissez-faire capitalism fully meets the diagnostic criteria of a "psychopath."""

So, would Democrats want to aid and abet psychopaths ? We know that Republicans do as a matter of ideology.

[yurbud]

6. I totally agree. Milton Friedman wrote "The Social Responsibility Is to Increase Profits" and it

even accounts for the self-interested reasons to do things that appear responsible.

http://www.colorado.edu/studentgroups/libertarians/issues/friedman-soc-resp-business.html

The difficulty is even in a somewhat lefty arena like this, it's hard to get people interested in these fundamental issues instead of swatting at the flies of whatever is in the news today.

[TahitiNut]

9. One correction: "psychotic" and "psychopathic" are NOT synonymous.

A psychosis is quite often temporary and treatable. It's an illness. Psychopathy, on the other hand, when referring to a cluster of Axis-II personality disorders including sociopathology, is generally regarded as structural or developmental and inherently untreatable.

Please, let's try to avoid saying 'psychotic' when we mean 'psychopathic.'

[EVDebs]

11. Those terms deal with human persons, "corporate persons" may have even more

antisocial disorders ! I'll defer to the term psychopathic as you say but we must remember that these souless conscienceless entities are only out for mammon's goals. They will literally kill their own grandmothers in order to extract an extra buck.

Congress and the courts must look into what corporate responsibilities entail.

[yurbud]

13. corporations are more like the borg on Star Trek--hive mind with a lot of drones, and it's hard to

find the queen.

[johnaries]

7. Democrats ARE business friendly!

Competition is good for businesses and the Free Market, right? Well, Democrats support new and small businesses which increase competition, and restrict consolidation and monopolization which decreases competition.

[mdmc]

12. yes, yes, yes

[yurbud]

14. great message for small business but how about the working stiff?

[johnaries]

17. Considering they passed the Minimum Wage Increase,

and are considering increased tax cuts for Lower & Middle-class while rolling back cuts for the rich, wouldn't you say they are also for the working stiff?

Which is also good for the economy. Our economy is consumer-based. The more money the Lower and Middle classes have, the more that they will spend buying products. This helps the economy. Sure, businesses may lose some money on margin, but they'll more than make it up on volume.

[yurbud]

15. my second proposal was to nominate Vlad the Impaler to run the SEC. He'd be the best enforcer

[mykpart]

16. Business fares better in a strong economy.

I think if you do some research you will find that businesses in general have done better when Democrats were in charge. More people working and earning a living wage = more consumers of goods & services.