need DU help responting to this dweeb...please make him weep?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

Open Challenge to the Left
Category: News and Politics

Cindy Sheehan was on Sean Hannity yesterday repeating her tired message of talking to our enemies. Especially people like the Iranians, the North Koreans, al Quada, etc.

The fact that we *have* been talking to these people sails over her head. They're not interested in peace. ("Yeah well, if Bush wasn't saber rattling these people would be talking to us.") Need I remind you that the present tyranny in Iran began under Carter? North Korea went nuclear back in 1994 when then President Clinton gave them everything they needed to build a bomb?

Anyway, we have been talking to these people...for a long, long time. Despite all of our talking these people continue to make threats and oppress everyone who gets in their way. North Korea and Iran are both trying to make nuclear weapons. Peaceniks demanding disarming the west are among some of the greatest supporters of tyrannical states going nuclear. The Russians (who publically demand the world talk to Iran) is supplying the Iranians with radioactive materials. Just last week, they sold missiles to Tehran. Another state, Germany is doing something similiar to the Russians: they sold enrichment materials to the Islamists in Iran.

I'll say it again: Iran is not interested in peace. If they were, they wouldn't back the terrorist organization of Hezbollah, an organization that attempts to kill everyone that it disagrees with be they civilian or soldier, be they man, woman or child. (It's not just the United States that's declared them a terrorist organization either - so has Canada and the Netherlands.)

So with all of this in mind, I want to issue the following challenge to the left: So sure you can make a lasting peace with people who disagree with you, then prove it - convince me that you're right. It should be pretty easy. I'm not sponsoring terrorist groups, trying to build nuclear weapons and making threats against my geographic neighbors. ("But you're totally irrational. We can never convince you.") So you admit that there are people who are completely unreasonable and you expect to talk the Iranians in to peace? If you really think you can talk your way to peace at the world level, surely you can sell me on your way of doing it. Should be pretty easy. But I'll tell you know, when you begin trashing the United States, talking down to me, calling me greedy and decadent might score you lots of points when talking to hate filled Islamofascists, but it isn't going to curry any favor with me.

[Buzz Clik]

1. What a fucking idiot. Don't waste your time.

You'd be better off trying teaching your cat to fetch your pipe and slippers.

[blm]

2. See this thread and its article, E_D.

Bush WH could have gotten what it is asking for now, FOUR YEARS AGO.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3062866

[ElsewheresDaughter]

9. thanks blm

:yourock:

[dogday]

3. Ask Halliburton and Dick Cheney what they do with Iran

Business As Usual?
Halliburton’s CEO says his company is pulling out of Iran. But a corporate subsidiary is still going ahead with a deal to develop Tehran’s natural gas fields

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There have been no allegations that Cheney was directly involved in any of the conduct that is under scrutiny by Justice, although as Halliburton CEO, Cheney repeatedly and forcefully criticized the U.S. sanctions laws restricting business in Iran, arguing that they caused U.S. firms like Halliburton to lose business to international competitors. (As it has in the past, Cheney’s office today declined to say whether the vice president has been questioned by investigators on either the Iran or Nigerian matters.)

Halliburton’s new deal, in which it will participate in a $308 million project to develop Iran’s huge South Pars natural gas fields, was not at first publicly announced by the company. But after the South Pars project, and its role, was reported in the Iranian press in mid-Janury, Halliburton publicly confirmed that its Dubai-based subsidiary, Halliburton Products & Services Limited, had been awarded a subcontract on the project that, a Halliburton official told NEWSWEEK today, will net the parent firm between $30 million and $35 million over the next several years.

The new Halliburton project, congressional investigators say, raises substantial questions about the Jan. 28, 2005 public announcement by Halliburton CEO (and Cheney successor) David Lesar that the firm plans to cease doing business in Iran. Lesar made no reference to the South Pars project in his conference call with investment analysts that day, when he blamed “the political nature of the attacks on Halliburton” for the media attention given the company’s Iranian business.

</snip>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6982444/site/newsweek/

[Virginia Dare]

4. A very good example of where diplomatic sanctions have worked...

at least for now, Libya.

Of course Iran is interested in peace, just as much as the United States is. Their respective leaders maybe not so much. Iran's leadership is using a thing called leverage to try and gain more power and influence in the world, the U.S. leadership is just a bunch of bloodthirsty cretins who fight wars for profit. Maybe a regime change might help things along.

This person is astoundingly naive in his understanding of international politics, he's subscribed to the whole evil vs. good meme.

Anybody can be bought for a price, dude, and they often are.

[sinkingfeeling]

5. OK, ask the idiot if he was alive in the 1950's. Back then we were told every day

how much the Soviet Union wanted to blow us off the map. Ask him if he knows that the US overthrew the democratically elected president of Iran in 1953 (?) and that the tyranny didn't start in Iran under Carter ... they just overthrew our puppet, the Shah! Ask him why he wasn't upset with St. Ronnie when 'he allowed' India and Pakistan to develop nukes. And ask him why the Chimp and the USA seems even less interested in 'peace' than any other leader or country he's named. Ask him why he's so afraid to live in the world.

[NewJeffCT]

6. Let's look back in history -

The Soviet Union already had nuclear weapons (unlike Iran). Their leader in the 1950s, Nikita Kruschev (sp) said to our country, "We will bury you." and they had a huge military lined up behind the Iron Curtain in Europe and their launch of Sputnik was an awesome and scary thing for people in the West. I'm guessing that the Soviet leadership of that era did not exactly have our best interests at heart following World War 2.

Yet, despite this, Ronald Reagan found it within himself to negotiate with the Soviets, as did Carter, Ford and Nixon before him. JFK negotiated furiously with the Russians during the Cuban Missile Crisis and managed to avert a nuclear exchange and an incalcuable amount of devastation.

Oh, and the North Koreans acquired the technology for their first nuke under Bush I and didn't acquire more until Bush II took office.

[MNWild]

7. Among the things that we know we know

is the fact that Rummy was behind the sale of nuclear power to North Korea. Cheney was not only secretly doing deals w/ Iran, but also w/ Iraq during the sanctions. The Bush family fortunes include money made by corroborating w/ the Nazis. It seems that as long as there is a buck to be made, these stalwart RebubliCons will do dirty deals w/ anyone and then try anything to shift the blame for the outcome.

[TZ]

8. Does he not know anything about the Shah of Iran?

That was a pretty bad dictatorship, much like Saddam Hussein that we supported. Does this IDIOT not understand that a lot of the problems we have with Iran today are because of our kissing up to the Shah? Or that we armed the Taliban and therefore Al-Quaeda? Isn't talking way better than arming our enemies (see Iran-Contra btw)? What a pathetic moron.:banghead:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

10. i suggested that he read "all the shahs men" too

[ElsewheresDaughter]

11. thank you all so much...i am waiting for a response from him....

but i woin't be holding my breath

i love my DU tribe

DUers are BOMB!

xxx's

[Strawman]

12. Maybe we should take a page out if their RW playbook

and say the right wingers also have no standing, no right to talk. I'm fucking sick of these people.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

13. here is a link to his blog...you can leave a comment if you like...

i shamlessly pasted some of your replies on him :loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=100649161&blogID=218649762&indicate=1