Have you ever spoken with a 'Nuke em' all' type person?

[Philosoraptor]

I've met a few, and they call into cspan occasionally, offering their opinions on the idea of simply dropping nukes on offending middle eastern countries, lumping them all into the 'crazy America hating Islamofascist' bin, and simply blowing them all back to the stone age, or to kingdom come or to hell or whatever.

They say things like, 'if'n we don't turn Eye rack into glass all our women folk'll be a wearin' burqas'!, and other such hysterical, spit filled ravings.

Sometimes it's like I'm in the Twilight Zone and I'm in Nazi Germany surrounded by good Germans sipping coffee and discussing how we need to eliminate all those dirty Jews and giggling.

[Kindigger]

1. Even better

is when it comes out of the blue from a totally unexpected source, and you find yourself standing there with your mouth gawping like a dying fish.

[enigmatic]

4. I've had that happen to me

Totally unexpected, too.

[Philosoraptor]

5. When a dear friend says it, I don't know how to respond.

[enigmatic]

8. The first time it happened, I ignored it

which I shouldn't have done, because it encouraged them to say even more shitty things on top of it. Never again, even to friends.

[Clark2008]

9. Ask them A.) How are we going to accomplish this

when we have no Army left thanks to BushCo. and B.) What are we going to do when the rest of the world kicks our asses for polluting them after the bomb drops? The health risks wouldn't stay isolated to the Middle East, but would spread to our allies in Europe and Asia.

The simple fact is they don't think that far out. Make them.

[cassiepriam]

2. Someone just told me that we should nuke Iraq and make it the 51st state.

My jaw dropped to the floor!

[TexasProgresive]

3. I just comment ( although it's not true) that it will be really

neat when the gasoline they pump into their Hummer will glow in the dark.

[Clark2008]

6. Sigh... yes.

I live in Tennessee. When I venture out of my little Democratic bubble (my neighborhood consistantly votes blue in this little north-east oasis of my town) and head to the western part of my city, I'm completely surrounded by them.

Of course, I ask them to explain to me what Army is going to do all this since ours is so thin and what are we going to do when the health risk spreads into our neck of the woods (and it would) and they don't seem to have an answer.

[Smarmie Doofus]

7. Only my therapist. n/t

[Porcupine]

10. I had a date bring it up.

This sweet little girl had been trying to get my attention for months. She was a good Christian and all but I thought I could at least give her a date so as not to dismiss her outright.

When the topic turned to politics I mentioned my opposition to the war. She countered that Saddam had something to do with 9-11. When I pointed out that there were no Iraqi's involved in 9-11 just Saudi's and Egyptions she remarked in all seriosness "well we have to start somewhere."

She literally thought that all muslims were terrorists or potential terrorists. We dropped that topic.

[Catch22Dem]

12. I assume that was the only date

It must have made the rest of the evening kinda weird.

[izzie]

11. Sure have I lived in the middle of military for years.

They are even more crazy about it than the general public which always shocked me because they knew what the bombs would do. I think it is the nature of some people every place to just kill what they do not like. It seems to be world wide and for ever in history.

[Catch22Dem]

13. When you say "they"

You mean some in the military, right? My military friends, and me (also former military) are VERY much against this type of action, and world view. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't a blanket statement or anything.

[izzie]

21. I found that they, military , were just about the same a general pop.

The ones who knew what it would do to people where not for it and the ones who said they wanted to drop them either claimed to not know or did not face it. But I found them much like the general pop. in how to get rid of a problem. Some how knowing what a bomb would do, made how they thought a little hard for me to take. I often think that one of the reasons we are so willing to enter these wars is we have not faced a war in this country since mid-1800's. The second world war got a hold of so many that it hit all ours lives but no cities were gone so we were lucky. Most people in the general pop. seem to think we, the USA, won that war alone. Funny thing to add but I am going to put this in. My whole family were Republicans and I can not recall one who had one good thing to say about any war which they found a big waste of men and goods and society could not be built on goods you built to blow up: or good men killed who could help society. In my young days Dem. were talked of as the party of war.

[Catch22Dem]

33. Yeah, I see what you're saying

For the most part, they're pretty in-line with the general population. I spent 8 years working on F-15s. Couldn't tell you jack shit about what a missile or bomb would do. HAHAHA. Of course, I don't advocate using them either, so that's a good thing. :)

[izzie]

34. Little story for you

Husband worked under three plan with nukes and atomic power. Service, govt. and private. He was to gives talks in the private works on the dangers of what they were working with. He gave one talk and was told to stop by the private firm as it was to scary for the other workers. I take it from that that those workers would see no harm in going to war and having nukes used. The govt. was better on being careful and I need not say anything about how hard the service was on rules.

[Philosoraptor]

35. Civilians mainly.

I hear people from all walks of life say these things.

[treestar]

48. The military is becoming too much of a sacred cow

They are people. The ones I know of are there to kill as many Muslims as possible. I'm sure there are better people in the military, just saying, they are not all saints just because they signed up. In fact, I've heard it claimed that a majority of them are republicans (though admittedly, by republicans who are trying to use them as the sacred cow you can't oppose).

[Catch22Dem]

51. You must know some fucked up military people

I never met anyone like that in my 8 years. Granted, I was in a highly technical field. We didn't have too many corn-fed farm boys in our shop. The majority of us had at LEAST an Associates degree. We had enlisted guys with higher educations than some of the officers. I didn't know ANYONE who joined to kill. You may find that in the Marines, but I seriously doubt it's as widespread as you claim. I'm sure the guy in your avatar who graduated from the Naval Academy and served on nuclear subs would agree. ;)

[sammythecat]

37. It's my feeling that 10,000 years ago, or so, there

wasn't a great deal of difference between human society and animal society. We've improved some over the millennia, but not by a whole lot. We still have a very, very, long way to go yet.

Children of the distant future will study the "barbarian age". We will be included in their study.

[cool user name]

14. I encounter that kind of talk all the time ...

The good Americans are being desensitized as to make any type of atrocity more palpable.

The Germans didn't want to kill all Jews over night. Sure there was rampant anti-semitism and out and out hatred, but the masses in general had to be conditioned from 1933 to 1939 before the Final Solution could be started. A program of desensitization because even some people who hate still don't want to commit murder. Through the brainwashing of the masses, this was made all the more simple.

[madrchsod]

15. yes i worked with a neo-nazi who said this-

turn the middle east into glass... nicest guy in the world until he starts ranting about everyone that is`t white..

[neoblues]

20. Alot of hate for...

them... Them being anyone in the world who isn't (a) American or pro-American, (b) Christian, (c) Caucasion and/or (d) English Speaking. Sometimes I think the last item on the list is more than enough for those who'd like to exterminate whole populations.

Of course, this 'tribal' thinking including a readiness for violence against 'others' is stimulated and increased whenever people are reminded of their own vulnerability or possible mortality. It's fear, and the instinctive survival responses such as rejecting anything different/new. Reports of the violence in IRAQ, reminders of our own casualties there and andy and all threats of 'terrorism'--all raise people's level of fear.

How do we convince people to be less afraid? After all, the real world actually is a pretty scary place. Well, fear isn't necessarily wrong--it's fear that's based on threats that are false or exaggerated. Exactly what the Bush Administration tries to do all the time--communicate to Americans all the reasons to fear terrorists (defined as Muslims/Islamo-extremists/Al-Qaeda, etc). But for the Bush foolishness and the untold numbers of dead IRAQIs (not to mention the, probably, millions who've had their lives destroyed there), and the subsequent growth of hatred of the U.S., very few American's would ever have been affected by 'terrorism' beyond what happened to us on 9/11 (for which I'm yet to be convinced the Bush Administration wasn't in some way responsible). Even so, the threat to an individual American remains very small (more likely to slip in the bathtub or have a car accident). Let's hope it remains that way...

In any case, we need to have a good, realistic assessment of the dangers in our lives and everyone should be so educated. Hopefully we'll no longer be the pawns of certain fear-mongering politicians. Alas, though, every reminder of death from any source is likely to stimulate that 'tribal' response. I don't know what to do, but some of these exaggerated sources of danger must be exposed as the politically motivated exaggerations they are.

[BushOut06]

40. Don't neo-Nazi types like Arabs?

I know during WWII, Hitler had alliances with some of the Arab nations. I've also seen neo-Nazi hate sites claiming kinship with Arabs, calling them "brothers in blood" or something like that. Maybe it's because they have a common enemy in Israel.

Keeping up with who-hates-who is so damned confusing.

[personman]

16. My old Christian boss.

Owned a small computer company I worked as a tech at. Comes from a fairly wealthy family in that area.

[Clark2008]

41. You mean your former "so-called Christian" boss.

Real Christians are anti-war, just like Jesus.

:hi:

[demnan]

17. Nope

I live too close to DC. We all know here, we'd be the first to go.

[Debau2005]

18. I have found

that most of the people that believe this are also "God fearing Christians" (their term not mine!), so I quietly say, "What would Jesus do?" pause for a second then walk off. Normally this leaves them speechless!

[doc03]

42. Saw a bumper sticker yesterday

"Who would Jesus bomb?"

[doc03]

43. Saw a bumper sticker yesterday

"Who would Jesus bomb?"

[Bukowski Fan]

19. Once

I was doing door to door fundraising for an environmental group in VA. It was in the runup to the Iraq War and this guy started talking a little politics with me. I didn't wanna smack him down to hard (and it's pretty hard to reason with these people anyway) to try and maybe get a donation out of him. But he wouldn't let me speak, he kept rambling on and on about how we gotta just nuke the whole Middle East and take their oil.

In the end, he said, why should I give money I'm gonna spend on beer for clean water? "Well, sir, because clean water makes better beer." I got $30. Man, sometimes i miss that job.

[Philosoraptor]

36. why should I give money I'm gonna spend on beer for clean water?

Oh that's a good one.

[BlueManDude]

22. Yeah - and he calls himself "pro-life".

[maine_raptor]

23. Someone once purposed

that once a generation all the world leader be assembled on a small Pacific island and a small nuke be set off nearby. Not close enough to harm, just close enough so that they would feel the heat pulse and be pushed around a bit by the blast wave. Their rational for this was that as time goes by, people trend to forget or minimize just how powerful these weapons are.

[BoneDaddy]

24. Alot and all of them

were Christians. When I pointed it out that the Prince of Peace would not sanction mass murder, they typically glaze over and retreat into "cognitive dissonance land".

[greenman3610]

25. Yes, this one is an editor at the Detroit News- Nolan Finley

"Fair enough. But our obligation has expired. We gave the Iraqis every chance to build a free, safe and prosperous nation. They'd rather use their freedom to settle old grudges.
That's their choice, just as long as they keep their murder and mayhem to themselves.
But if it touches us or our friends, it's a different story.
......We want the Iraqis to know as we leave that if we have to come back, we'll stay only long enough to flatten them. If need be, we can drill through the glass."

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061210/OPINION03/612100311


Let's see, turn it to glass and drill for oil..?...
but...I thought we were there to share candy and
paint their schools?

[Arkansas Granny]

26. I've heard this statement and others like it voiced in my neck of

the woods. It's mostly those people who have the "support our troops" stickers all over their vehicles, rely on Rush and Fox News for their info and claim to be Christians. Most are of limited education and have very little knowledge about foreign or even domestic policy. Worse yet, most of them don't realize this lack of knowledge and show no curiosity about learning more.

This seems to be their thought process: We gave the Iraqis a chance to enjoy freedom and democracy and they still keep fighting us. Is this the thanks we get for getting rid of Saddam? We should just bomb the hell out of the ingrates and turn them into Christians.

BTW, many of these people still think that Saddam/Iraq had something to do with 9/11.

[watrwefitinfor]

27. Yes, in 1970. n/t

[sweetheart]

28. like dick cheney?

We know the nuke em all persons all too well, they used those
very nukes on the WTC:
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=5714

[bullwinkle428]

29. I heard this nutbar local talk radio guy in California using this line

of reasoning, and most of his callers were agreeing with him! This was just a couple of days after that group of guys in London had been arrested for the "acetone bomb plot", and were supposedly on the verge of blowing up 4 transatlantic flights. We all know how that case fell apart over the next couple of months. Anyway, he was pushing this whole "we need to blow up Mecca and Medina with nukes the next time ANY terrorist action takes place", and his question to callers was whether we should give them a warning that it would take place, or just go ahead and drop the bombs without a warning... :grr:

[junior college]

30. I post quite a bit at

this message board called http://www.njc-njo.com . These guys are a nuke em all, don't take my guns, homosexuality is a sin, the second coming of Christ will occur during our lifetime bunch of guys. At first I was worried about posting there because I thought they were insane and they would hunt me down or something. Turns out that most of them, despite their bizzare world view, are nice people.

[Change has come]

55. They do sound like a delightful group.

Do they blame all their problems on the "Libs"?

[tjwash]

31. Never...not in San Diego; heart of the Marines and the Navy.

:eyes:

[Sir Jeffrey]

32. I am surrounded by them...

relatives, in-laws, even some friends who ought to know better.

My dad seems to think that nuking Mecca will solve the Israeli-Palestinian crisis.

I find that (obviously) they are uninformed/misinformed but, more importantly, they live in constant fear of terrorism. They honestly think that their 10,000 strong shit-town is going to be blown up by Islamofascists because they hate freedom. It is like listening to an 8 year old talk about monsters under the bed and in the closet.

You cannot reason with these types. I know from experience. There is plenty of information out there, but they choose not to pay attention to it for various reasons.

Mostly, from what I have discovered, they take their cues from their religious authorities and govt officials. Their opinions are shallow and poorly reasoned...often contradictory because of the right to life position.

They are decent people by many measures (give to charity, help people out when they need it, etc.) but IMO that does not make it okay for them to advocate the death of millions.

[WilliamPitt]

38. Simple answer

"What about the oil?"

Watching the ensuing brain cramp is fun.

[sendero]

39. Yes..

.... but not for long. I don't have time for stupid people.

[doc03]

44. You kidding, I live in Ohio there are people

here that want to nuke anyone that disagrees with us.

[MetaTrope]

45. I frequent a computer gaming board with some hardcore sorts like that

They complain when some social/political analysis is brought to bear on the hobby, because they claim to play as "escapism"...but I've decided they mostly don't like to have pointed out to them that their favorite wargames merely reinforce their beliefs against all reality and humanity.

[Marr]

46. Yes, and it was wonderful. Our conversations began with

a discussion of why we were in Iraq at all. I said it was a combination of controlling the oil, gaining a strategic foothold, etc. He insisted it was to "spread democracy", honked on about how noble the whole thing was, and subtly suggested that my cynicism was based in racism. 'They deserve democracy, too'... that sort of thing.

About three months later, he was saying that we should just "nuke the whole thing and turn it into glass" because that would be easier. I asked him where his love for the Iraqi people had gone, and whether it might be more rational to simply acknowlege the mistake and leave. He didn't agree, because- get this:

"If we just leave, it will be a massacre".

So nuking the whole region is ok, but pulling out is not- because there will be violence. Bush's supporters really are stupid.

[Philosoraptor]

47. I wonder how we escaped the horrors of mass delusion?

[treestar]

49. I have debated such

They tend to believe in individual responsibility for themselves but group responsibility for non-Americans.

They are the same ones who justify killing Muslims because they did not "speak up" again the terrorist attacks, or because some of them cheered. Of course the bias of the MSM in choosing what to cover does not count to them. Nor the fact that if say 20 white supremacists went over and bombed the shrine in Mecca, they would not feel they had any responsibility for it.

People who are far away and different are not human to them. While at the same time, they expect to receive full respect as a human from them. They usually buy into gender based double standards too.

[porphyrian]

50. Just last weekend, actually.

It was the day the Saints won, and there was some drinking going on. One woman there, who's basically nerdy and only apparently a little conservative, started talking shit after the game and a number of beers. She kept saying "I paid for the nukes, I want someone to use them." Wow.

[Zhade]

52. My dad once said, of this war, that we should have turned Iraq into a parking lot last time.

Later, he realized I was right all along and voiced his pride at my standing up for truth and justice.

So people change.

[blues90]

53. I worked with a bunch of them

Now I don't , got fired for political views and can't prove it .

As soon as the attack on Iraq began most of them had the attitude of nuking all the "towel heads" and taking all the oil . They are sick ignorent people who I now go out of my way to avoid at all costs .

I still come across people who I can tell have this attitude .

I was told if I don't agree with the US policy or bush I should leave .

All the damn chinese made american flags on cars so pround of their killing spree .

[brettdale]

54. go over

To countryweekly.com

Go to their forums.

(ya have to sign up though)

They are beyond freepers.

Some classics over the past year are

Democrats are best friends with terrorists

The liberal media is the cause of deaths in Iraq.

All Muslims preach hate and if you think otherwise you are ignorant.

Bush needs to totally wipe out the whole middle east.

Gay people are sick and evil.

My personal favorite from about a year ago was.

Jesus would bomb Iraq, those Iraqi will grow up and murder Americans, if you think otherwise your not Christian.

My favorite poster is a lady by the name of "Katie", who has started a thread called "Conservative News Thread"

Her posts are news item from places like World news daily and newsmax, and her favorite politicians are Tom delay and Newt and she wants Newt to become President because he will be bring back integrity and honesty to government.

Its a great laugh.