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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 08:57 PM
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How about a surge in consciousness instead? ("Ooga, Booga, Smooga, Wooga" New Moon alert !!!
Edited on Thu Jan-18-07 09:57 PM by stellanoir
If you only desire the prayer for this lunation, then scroll down to the *** and skip all the anecdotal semi stream of consciousness stuff through which I arrived at it.

Yesterday, I was reading about the Israel/Palestine mess over at Huff Post regarding a dispute between former Pres. Carter and Dershowitz over the "roadkill to peace" and I was thinking about the New Moon in Capricorn which will occur at 11:01 pm EST tonight at 28 degrees and change.

If anyone still cares to refute astro influences then scroll below to the first link at the bottom of this thread for what I said last week and still stand by now regarding such arguments. If it doesn't work for you, then that's fine with me. "Different strokes for different folks" and all of that. Still there is no harm in working with the inherent energies that be.

Or to quote Isaac Newton in regards to astrological detractors, "I have studied it, you have not."

ASTRONOMICALLY by precise longitudinal measurement, Pluto (though allegedly dwarfed???) will enter Capricorn (tropically) for the first time in 247.7 years in about a year's time. This year Pluto will transit the Galactic Center for it's 2nd (mid July) and 3rd (latish October) times in 247.7 years. It's transit to the Solar Apex (the direction in which our Solar System is headed through our galaxy (signifying our future-no biggie-LOL) will happen late next January, 5-6/08, 11-12/08, finally stationing there in 9/09.

It is my fervent wish and deep seated belief that this influence among others, could potentially goose our collective evolution and consciousness in a very BIG and completely unprecedented wayyy.

A few of the myriad of things which fall under Capricornian rulership are leadership, government, the rule of law, and "business as usual." Since 1988, Neptune, Saturn, Uranus, and Chiron have all scrambled, altered and caused great upheaval to that particular sign . If you hadn't noticed, business has hardly been at all usual since then, nor have any of its other realms of rulership. New models for those arenas are more than a little warranted IMHO.

On a superficial level, it would appear that the kids born since '88 until 12/05 will more than likely be the ones to purify, reorganize, and overhaul the structures that seem to be so irretrievably broken and totally dysfunctional at present.

Psssssssst. . .Perhaps we could help them along to have an easier time of it. Maybe "Graceful transitions (could be) "R" Us" for far more expedient ameliorations. Could we possibly start thinking about saving the kids instead of covering our asses? Sheesh.

Though, in contemplating the Israel/Palestine dilemma I was reminded of a "Prayer For A United World" by Paramahansa Yogananda
http://www.yogananda-srf.org/py-life/index.html (Disclaimer-NO I'm not a devotee-I know very little about him-just stumbled upon some of his most inspiring quotations several years back-the spiritual wells I draw from are limitless, unfathomable, and widely varied so don't even start. Okay ?)

If you'll allow me to set the "way back" again, the first time I typed that particular prayer, it was for a stellascope I wrote shortly after 9/11 and I was strangely shown a vision of how, if only Jerusalem could be turned into an international zone for a decade (commencing at that time) it would be more than likely that by now, with the energies that now are hovering, that all the hot heads would have possibly chilled and gotten over some of their rancor, hostility. purposely destructive urges. Of course, that didn't even remotely happen for many assorted and unbelievably dumb and unenlightened reasons. Sadly, it's been quite to the contrary.

Okay so to revisit, here's a humbly presented non gender specific revision to Yogananda's awesome prayer updated for more current expansively "gender bending" times. It may be appropriate for this pending lunation. My edits are notated by quotations marks. I do so think it's really silly to quote myself.

With all due respect to the Yogi I never knew. . . (how's that for a trashy romance novel title . . .?)

Garishly Revised & Updated "Prayer For A United World"

***""I'm co creating with spirit that" the heads of all countries and races be guided to understand that "those" of all nations are physically and spiritually one: physically one, because we are the descendants of common parents-the symbolic Adam and Eve; spiritually one, because we are the immortal children of our "Creatrix (aka God/Goddess)**", bound by eternal links of "humanity."

Let us pray in our hearts for a League of Souls and a United World. Though we may seem divided by race, creed, class, and political prejudices, still as children of the one "Creatrix" we are able in our souls to feel "ONENESS" and world unity. May we work for the creation of a United World in which every nation will be a useful part, guided by "love, great humors, true compassion, and generosity" through "our newly restored" enlightened conscience.

In our hearts we can all learn to be free from "hatred" and selfishness. Let us pray for harmony among the nations, that they march hand in hand through the gate of a "truly" fair new civilisation."

Consider breathing that one in for the lunation.

The thought of revising that prayer reminded me of a conversation I had a couple of nights ago with an older wise one.

We were talking about Iraq and she said with absolution that it would only be resolved through the gentle application of feminine energy. That may sound sexist so with another disclaimer, may I offer up that I feel as though both genders are generally a mish mash of archetypal feminine and masculine energies. Can we all agree upon the apparent truism that the disaster in Iraq could be construed as Mars gone amuck. (again see last week's link, the first link at the bottom of this post for explanation of the healthy versus unhealthy Martian influences, manifestations, and phenomena)

Prior to our invasion, from what I've read from the Iraqi ladies, the ratio between incomes of professional men and women was far more commisarate than it was in the US. Sure they had a despicable tyrant in charge but "yoohoo" we put him in power. Yet despite all of that it was, in other regards, one of the more progressive and secular countries in that region, despite other obvious problems. Individual freedoms weren't thriving necessarily, but in terms of education, and in many regards, women's rights they were far better off than many of their neighboring more sectarian neighbors. Back then I heard there were more Phd's per capita than we have here, though many have reportedly either fled or been assassinated by now.

I had posted several months ago in GD about how if only Faiza (a Shia married to a Sunni) who has a Phd in Engineering and is more knowledgeable about her culture, world history, various religions, and literature than most of our leaders (that doesn't say much) (http://afamilyinbaghdad.blogspot.com ) & riverbend (a Sunni who is so savvy and refreshingly clear, despite her now horrific circumstances) (http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com ) could only have political influence for a transitional period, instead of our installed puppets, I bet that conflicts would be straightened out in short order far more humanely than the absolute idiocy, of non effective, onerously costly and counter productive escalation. Ahhh that particular post scarcely got any responses.

Psssssssssst. . . the time has long since past that we could be anything even closely resembling honest brokers of peace and/or democracy in Iraq or anywhere else for that matter. Peace starts within.

Someone in GD nailed it in three words a few weeks ago. . .in reference to *'s Iraq policy and described it as "a vendetta on failure." That blew me away in its accuracy, brevity, and astuteness.

In searching through the 5-6 year old copies of stellascopes I saw something that I'd been thinking of digging for ever since I first heard John Mayers' "Waiting on the World to Change." last summer . . .

From shortly after 9/11. . .

"Our opponents in this conflict have sleeper cells. Well, in my humble opinion, so do we. Anyone who has flirted with a spiritual path even for a millisecond is now hereby officially qualified to create their very own "waking cell." Also included in this oh so exclusive spiritual society is anyone who's soul's desire is to wait no longer for the world to change . . ."

We simply can no longer depend on our leaders for damned near squat.

I then went on and on about mirroring the attributes of one's opponents instead of creating intractable further conflicts by indulging in shadow projections and the foolishly counterproductive nature of labeling anything or anyone "evil."

In a letter I foolishly sent to the pres on 10/16/01 (which I'm quite sure he never read LOL) I summarized my reasons for this theory more succinctly. . .

"I humbly beseech you to eradicate the word "evil" from your lexicon of verbiage. Consider for a moment it's definition when it's spelled backwards.

From an energetic point of view, "the overuse of the word "evil" only empowers one's opponents and always has.

There are many more creative terms to use. . .misguided, unenlightened, destructive, hateful, mean spirited, sadistic, short sighted, stupid, obnoxious, cruel, deviant, villainous, absurd, totally uncalled for. . .etc."

A lot of good that effort did. . .not.

Then I threw a moccasin at my television during the SOTU when he coined the phrase "axis of evil." Gee years later, now two of those countries may or may not have gone nuclear and we've not so ingeniously decimated the third. My poor moccasin.

In kicking around the notion of unenlightened shadow projection and assorted limitations of dualistic thinking, another dear one mentioned the Yin Yang Symbol and reminded me of this. . .

Here's what I wrote last year and have been saying for eons about the Yin Yang Symbol. . .

"Consider also being squiggle in the middle of Yin Yang symbol because at the
center of the white is black, at the center of black is white. 'Round and
'round we go. That is the trap of dualism, and why it is far more fun to be
the squiggle in the middle. The dark (unconscious) is simply as sacred as the light (conscious).
Problems arise when imbalances and repression and resulting deviance occur
through an unbalanced relationship between the two and not by the fault or
exclusive virtue of one or the other. (lots more on that later)

The Yin Yang symbolizes a gateway to upper universes FYI, or is at the
verrry least one of them. There are many, and are several such symbols for
every faith and culture. Though the uncircled cross is a symbol, most
crucifying and damning for many. It simply has no flow. Maybe start
circling that around."

Anyhoo the "surge" in the collective racism and bigotry over the past 6 years has my head spinning. If I have to hear another RWnut disparaging Muslim as "towel heads" who have been killing each other for eons and always will, I may suffer from spontaneous human combustion. Their's is the Cradle of Civilization which was respnsible for Hammarabi's Code in the first place. The blinding idiocy abounds.

Approaching Pluto's planetary ingress into Cap and it's conjuction with the Solar Apex and subsequent retrograde passes over the cusp and Galactic Center and it's station at that degree in September, perhaps there is a better way. We perhaps must find it and create it. Killing and War are just so antiquated and ineffective and only enrich the very few and cost the many.

Or, as a very wise one's protest sign read in DC a year and a half ago, "I can't believe we still have to protest this sh*t."

Oh and as an aside. While I was riding the "Ooga, Booga, Smooga, Wooga" wave last weekend and on MLK Day, I felt a spiritual movement hovering based on shared humors. It was really amazingly cool.

Furthermore, on MLK Day, on the Today Show, which I rarely bother to watch, the opening line was "__________ & ___________" were hung in Baghdad today. Neither was mistreated." 'Scuse me but, since when does lynching and decapitation not qualify as mistreatment regardless of alleged culpability. The degree to which our handsomely paid oft disingenuous talking heads are working towards desensitizing us to inhumane treatment, brutality, and cruelty is reminiscent of the Colosseum and days I foolishly and naively thought had long since past. Hope Lester enjoys his big fat pay check this week. On MLK's birthday no less. Atrocious. Corporate control of media must end IMHO. It's akin to brainwashing and is really annoying. It's far worse than that really.

rumpel's contribution from an interview:

"Oren Lyons

I believe that all of this discussion between human beings is one of morality. I think that everyone has to deal with the emotions that are in each individual. And we understand that we have both good and bad in us and that you must strike a balance at all times. This spiritual center then, is what the Great Tree of Peace is. It's a spiritual center. It's a spiritual law--

Bill Moyers:

The Peacemaker, when he came, planted a Tree of Peace?

Oren Lyons:

A Tree of Peace, a Great Peace, a great law. It's a spiritual law. He said, `When you become afraid or when you become weak or when you become not able to carry,' he says, `it's the spiritual law that will stiffen your spine.' He said, `That's where your strength is. So you must make your laws in accordance with those spiritual laws and then you will survive.'

He called that council the Council of the Good Minds. He said the Hoyanni -- that's what it means, the all-good, the good, peacemakers. So that's what he set up. And when he uprooted this great tree and he asked the Nations to come forward and cast their weapons of war, he says, `We now do away with the warriors and we do away with the war chiefs. And in their place we plant the Council of the Good Minds who will now counsel for the welfare of the people.' And he said, `I shall not leave you defenseless.' And he gave us a spiritual strength, Oyenkwaohweh, the Great Tobacco. He said, `This will be your medium for communication, directly.'"

The "Council of Good Minds" concept is humoring me, not only because it's what we are sorely lacking but because when I was reviewing the writing from 5 & 1/2 years ago, I read something I had forgotten about. At the time, I was thinking we needed to initiate a "Department of Ingenuity" instead of another big bloated behemoth dysfunctional so-called intelligence agency like Homeland Security. Especially when we had five such agencies already who were not communicating with each other or doing their jobs. In my smallish book "bad intelligence = Shear stupidity." I'd always wondered and wanted someone to explain to me WTF the obtusely negligible and subtle distinction between Homeland Security and National Security was. e-gads.

Fundamentally most people are peacefully oriented. The profiteers who speak in terms of fear only are not. I'm thinking about what all the psychologists said about that poor young boy held captive by that creep recently in the news. The kid who was just rescued and the psychologists were all suggesting that he didn't leave because he thought it would endanger his family. I've said for years that we were collectively experiencing Stockholm Syndrome: wherein we were lulled into a sense of complacency due to a false sense of security from our captors. "Terror, terror, terror = fear, fear, fear + it ain't about love at all." Maybe we could all get along a little better.

Enough of that old fearful BS. Let's have some real leadership for a change and for our kids brighter futures.

The phrase "surge in consciousness" is sort of hovering around this effort. Happy New Moon and may we make it so.

Try the prayer, it can't hurt.

hmmmmmm. . .

I had a funny thought on Monday "Ooga, Booga, Smooga, Wooga" = OBSW = Oh Bull Shit W

tra la la

Backround info in the first two links and goofily funny OBSW merchandise at the 3rd one.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

http://www.cafepress.com/helderheid/2380944

**I've playfully referred to our collective spiritual source as the "Creatrix" for a long time, as it transcends all dogmas and EVERYONE has access to that force, if only they may find laughter and express kindness in as many moments as possible.

"nam-myoho-renge-kyo"

this is dedicated to MLK who's birthday was distracted by qustionable hangings in Baghdad and hedonistic self congratulatory fests in LA. How utterly disrespectful. Hurrrrumph.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 09:09 PM
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1. WOAH! K&R
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 11:44 PM
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9. thanks darlin'
You are the best !!!
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 09:21 PM
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2. It is time to embrace peace and "grow up" as species.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :hug:
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 09:48 PM
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3. you said it far more succinctly than I
thanks dear
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 12:46 AM
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12. WELL SAID!
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 09:18 PM
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56. helderheid, would you consider making an avatar of the...
"Ooga, Booga, Smooga, Wooga" design that you created?

I'd love to use it as my avatar if it was OK with you! :)

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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 01:41 AM
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15. Oh, absolutely...
Sometimes I get so frustrated that after millions of years of evolution and with all our knowledge and potential, we still think that war is the way to solve problems. It's so damn PRIMITIVE.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 11:30 AM
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38. "Grow up as a species"? What do you mean?
I think you might be unwittingly perpetuating some cultural memes:

- that our civilization represents humanity at large (it is only one out of thousands of cultures)
- that our particular experiment in human social organization is humanity's highest invention and must not be abandoned at any cost
- that the failings of our culture are to be blamed on flawed humanity (salvationism)
- that all our problems would be solved if every human on earth suddenly started living differently
- that humans need prophets to tell them how to live
- that the answers are to be found by looking to the sky, angels, spirits, astrology, - revelations from somewhere out there -, rather than real world scientific evidence gleaned from studying the abundant community of life



The combination of those memes with "ooga booga smooga wooga" leaves a very bad taste in my mouth.

Ideologically, I'm certain we share much. The recognition that something is seriously wrong here may be the primary one. However, it's our culture that is in desperate need of a change of vision - not humanity at large - and it meaningful answers won't come from some special 5% of our population that are "more tuned in" than everyone else.

Take care of your goodness.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 11:59 AM
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39. Human beings need to mature and grow up
We as a species need to realize that war/murder doesn't cut it. Although I'm sure there are ego-less people walking the planet, they are few and far between. Human beings in EVERY culture kill each other.

It appears you don't get the humor in ooga booga smooga wooga, you must have missed the last thread


Take care of your goodness as well.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 12:09 PM
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41. I think you might be unwittingly perpetuating some cultural memes. nt
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 12:18 PM
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42. you think?
Human beings of every culture with few exceptions have to look to cooperation and kindsness towards all. That you take exception to this is very odd but we all come from our own place in space.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 12:26 PM
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43. I take exception to what?
There's no need to imagine what I take exception to when I stated it plainly.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 01:00 PM
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45. exactly
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 02:18 PM
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47. "As above so below"
Your post reminded me of several things. Firstly Joseph Campbell's "Inner Reaches of Outer Space."

Sorry if you take offense to our silly chant. The way in which it evolved on election night is a very fond memory for many of us. The pertinant link is on Post 32 down thread

Here's a response to a nay sayer from that night and from that thread. . .

"Yes empirical evidence is a very fine thing indeed.

That was another part of what motivated me to post this.

Amongst progressive thinkers are some of the greatest intellects in this land. I've watched in bewildered astonishment for the past six years, academics and experts in diverse fields. . .statistics, computer science, history, culture, the environment, education, economics, psychiatry, etc. had all of their emperical evidence dismissed and defied as "reality based."

I've watched the land I love that was once respected around the world as the "land of the lively discussion" deteriorate to intractable divisiveness and the disempowering myth foisted upon us that there are now only two possible points of view. Our national dialogue has digressed into shouting matches when it used to be far more inspiringly nuanced.

I'm saddened by the perversion of the labels of both "conservative" and "liberal," the former having morphed into extremism and the latter having been inappropriately demonized.

I watch our leader get away with misrepresenting everything of which he speaks. That coupled with the "disingenuous nomenclature" of most all recent legislature irkes me to no end. The media's complicity and the public's apathy and lack of focus has disheartened me.

So in this regard we agree. My reaction was different than yours and that's okay.

If their approach is one based on illogic, and our finest minds have been drawing solely from fact and intellect and it has seemed as though these brilliant minds are doing nothing more than repeatedly hitting their heads against a huge wall of deceit, I thought why not engage our right brains AS WELL AS our left brains. . ? Thereby we may possibly trump the obfuscation of the truth which has had us in a virtual stranglehold for all these years.

I responded to the other dissenter down thread as he, as perhaps you have, assumed that I was suggesting that prayer and affirmation would solve everything and therefore I might be encouraging inaction or complacency. Quite to the contrary, there have been many times that I've been stymied in my life and felt as though I couldn't think my way out of a paper bag. Those like I, who employ the methodology of prayer and affirmations have often recognized practical solutions to possible resolutions and rectifications of problems that we had not been aware of prior to employing these techiques. So they help some to overcome blocks and motivate redemptive action.

Prayer and affirmations were never suggested as panacea for all that plagues this land. It would indeed be laughable to think so. However as supplemental techniques to help empower people to recognize their options for curative action, many find them helpful.

As to inadvertantly contributing to a Democratic defeat through prayers for fairness that is totally unlikely. Most of spiritual orientations learned long ago to balance the physical and spiritual planes and too much focus on one of those levels can undermine the other. Again these suggestions are supplementary and not exclusive of other nobel and traditional endeavors.

Now I'm very pleased that you contributed here and I hope you recognize my appreciation because clearly this warranted further clarification. "

Thanks for your thoughts.
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Squeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 10:22 PM
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4. I read two posts tonight
This one, and one about some moran wearing a tee shirt reading "Warrior for Christ." My brain has just exploded from the cognitive dissonance. What do these people pray for? Do they really imagine that Jesus, one of whose titles is "Prince of Peace," actually wants them to go out and fight?

I still want the bumper sticker that just says "Matt 25:40." Maybe I'll start my own CafePress store.

Anyway, this is a kick, even if it looks like a rant.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 10:37 PM
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5. So many influences are coming together at this time and
you seem to have harnessed the energies we need to concentrate on for the future.

K&R
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 10:39 PM
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6. Beautiful! in a Brotherly sort of way;) KR
They should have had you advising the provisional authority. Your taste in Iraqi leaders to be is perfect. But don't cash the consulting check jsut yet.

Does this mean wehave to pray for everybody;) I know the answer to that.

Thank you!!!
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 10:56 PM
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7. You brute
Yup you do indeed damn it. LOL

Luv ya anyway and you're verrry welcome.

Happy new moon !!!

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otherlander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 10:57 PM
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8. Happy New Moon.
The day before King's birthday was the 40th anniversity of the Be-in. That had to have left behind some of its energy. So much love and hope.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 12:34 AM
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10. K & R my dear!
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 12:45 AM
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11. Bounce!
Edited on Fri Jan-19-07 12:49 AM by Cleita
:bounce:

Gotta go to bed soon.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 12:48 AM
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13. Stellanoir, DU, I have this to offer

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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 03:35 AM
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19. nice
:)

I have the exact same image of Earth as my desktop :rofl:

and it is "oneness"...
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 07:33 AM
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24. I purple heart you hon : )
Edited on Fri Jan-19-07 07:34 AM by stellanoir
That's beautiful and thanks for all your efforts. And I finally ordered my OBSW stuff yesterday.

:woohoo:
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 01:32 AM
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14. Enough of that old fearful stuff is right. Let's move on already.
I kinda feel that when I come to D.U. that I'm among the council of good minds. Thanks for the post. I hope I understand that the information you talked about was that the same old same old is going to continue? I hope I have this wrong.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 12:03 AM
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58. Not the same old same old at all
an evolutionary leap is now hovering is all I'm really sayin'

One that transcends violence and inhumanity. Okay ?
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 02:01 AM
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16. A wonderful piece -- thank you! nt
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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 02:03 AM
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17. K&R and OBSW!
:hi:
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 02:31 AM
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18. K&R... did you consider the 45-degree semisquares...
A New Moon in Capricorn can become the first step towards a major goal. The commitment and discipline of the sign is useful for changing habits or establishing constructive routines. However, eccentric Uranus and expansive Jupiter form edgy 45-degree semisquares to the Sun-Moon conjunction that disturb serious concentration. Unexpected changes can shake up plans, so prepare to adapt rather than holding rigidly to your course. (as in stay the course?) As long as you remain faithful to core principles, {assuming those are available to "stay the course" individuals) progress can be made, albeit in a somewhat sporadic fashion. Stoicism in the face of emotional pressure only increases the likelihood of an untimely explosion. Letting off steam in small doses reduces the risk of a major meltdown.
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 03:46 AM
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20. yup "disturb serious concentration"
the Gonzo hearing, was on my mind all day and I really had something very important (for me) to do...talk about disruption. Now I finally watched it on C-span thanks to the heads up from another DU'er.

I am hopeful..we will get out of this mess - even in sporadic fashion is fine with me. :)
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 07:01 AM
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23. Good point JG
In truth, back in the temporarily long lost days of the stellascopes, I used to print out a chart for each lunation for in depth analysis.

Though this time, due to a ink shortage (e-gads) I was a little lazy and concentrated primarily on Pluto's pending transits over the intergalactic or "deep space" points in relation to both the broader picture as well as Mars' recent ingress into Capricorn, especially in light of the lunation occurring so very late in that sign. I feared and got feedback that it was too long already.

Yes those semisquares are certainly tweaking us to adjust, and that is what is so utterly frustrating about this idiocy of this foolhardy "escalation." The intense stellium in Aquarius is worth of mention as well.

I'm still voting for the reality of a "surge of consciousness" & global enlightenment instead. Silly me. Hope there are droves more sillies out there.

"Ooga, Booga, Smooga, Wooga" and thanks.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 10:31 AM
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64. Drove silly unit #453 here.....
Edited on Sat Jan-20-07 10:32 AM by loudsue
Thanks Stella! What a WONDERFUL and timely post! :grouphug:

I'm on with the prayer for enlightenment, (spiritually and scientifically) evolutionary thought, and PEACE for all living things.

:kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick:
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 04:05 AM
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21. Ooga, Booga, Smooga, Wooga
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 10:46 AM
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34. On a side note...
Rumpel, I LOVE that smilie!!!
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 02:58 PM
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48. found it
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 03:25 PM
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51. Coo'!
Bookmarked! Thanks!

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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 06:02 AM
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22. Very nice, stella!
Thank you for doing this.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 09:02 AM
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25. OMG & FYI
A couple of things I neglected to reference:

The whole thing that inspired this effort for this lunation was the reminder that Pluto has been in Sagittarius since '94. Thanks to mikey for that (http://www.michaellutin.com )

The gradual though striking emergence of extreme fundamentalism from all factions since then has been brutally and mind numbingly blinding. Saggitarius has to do in part with various dogmas and philosophies. His theory is (paraphrasing) that the reason it's gotten so extreme and violent is because the fundamentalists are harboring a (probably unconscious) degree of disbelief at the core of their faith, so they're fighting their deep seated inner doubt and compelled to defend their presumed supremacy.

It's peculiar in that, in the 80's so many of us regarded the Robertson, Falwell, and Bakers and their ilk as some bizarro circus side show. I'll never forget hanging out in a hotel room on a Sunday morning back then, waiting for a rerun of "Rocky & Bullwinkle" (priorities, priorities) to come on the tube and having to endure the tail end of R Shuller's sermon. He said, "I am a personal friend of Christ's. If you'd like to be a personal friend of Christ's you have to go through me. . .I need a million dollars a week just to survive." I was flumoxed but then again, it's the oldest trick in the book. "You want to go to heaven? Gimmee 50 bucks."

If one ascribes to Christian doctrine, he is alleged to have "died for OUR sins." There was no caveat that his sacrifice was exclusively only for those who converted. Duhhh

Basic unconditional human kindness as reflected so eloquently in the beatitudes sure beats Ned Flander's classic suggestion that Maude had gone to Bible camp "to learn to be more judgemental."

I've always thought that it would be great to learn a joke in every language to bring forth world peace. But then, based on the speculative astrophysical premise that the primary chemical componant at the center of the galaxy is NO2 (aka laughing gas), I've far more faith in great humor than in presumed piety.

A year ago I finally figured out the riddle posed in the song "What's So Funny About Peace, Love, & Understanding?"

The only plausible answer to that query is EVERYTHING.

Let's consider making it so ASAP.

Peace on.

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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 11:15 AM
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37. WOW!
:wow:
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 03:11 PM
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49. NO2, how interesting
humor a component of the formation of matter, which includes us.
One has to learn to be objective in order to see humor...not an easy task sometimes..but certainly peace starts from within.
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 03:21 PM
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50. what I like also on that site is his take on shrub at this time
Edited on Fri Jan-19-07 03:24 PM by rumpel
president george bush has just has his second saturn returnin the twelfth house as saturn moves into leo everything that has been hidden will be leaking out and if he has acted with honor and integrity he has nothing to fear because if he has acted with honor and integrity and been truthful and sincere he doesn't have to worry about what people will think whether they agree with his policies or not. if, however,he has been deceitful or been led astray or has been underhanded or done anything illegal, immoral or untoward he will have to aanswer for it because that's just what happens when saturn comes out of the twelfth hosue this is true for everybody who has leo rising and frankly all leos as well

:)

on edit: Is it not that Pluto is about truth, death & rebirth?
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 10:11 PM
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57. Pluto and by extension. . .Scorpio
in a superficial way, reference "sex death and regeneration." It's also superficially referred to as the garage sale of the zodiac.

Beyond that, it planetary placements in that sign illustrate what we could perhaps transmute that which is no longer appropriate for humankind. So it's no biggie really. LOL

He's past his Saturn return, his Saturn transit to his Mercury/Pluto conjunction, Saturn crossing his ascendant, and "Creatrix' only knows why he hasn't descended to the ashes would that it weren't for the powers that are protecting him. Maybe he's a clone or somethin' . Just wait till Saturn hits his lame assed Mars. Then perhaps the truth will be revealed.

Still one of my colleagues suggests that anything that which we are overly and unhealthily attached to gets ixneyed under Plutonian influence.

With *, it makes no sense. I blame the media and his handlers for this.

It's obfuscation at it's not so finest.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 09:08 AM
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26. Astrology is crap. n/t
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 09:18 AM
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27. and manure is fertilizer
Have a nice day.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 09:21 AM
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28. ...
:spray: :rofl: and don't forget, "Ooga, Booga, Smooga, Wooga"
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 01:25 PM
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46. You took the words out of my mouth!
:rofl:
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Chemical Bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 10:48 AM
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35. Tauruses never believe in astrology.
:hide:
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 12:04 PM
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40. That reminds me of a dear friend's really funny former boyfriend who once said
when he had reached his exasperation level with our continual astro speak. . .

"I don't give a flying "flop" if Mercury is regurgitating an Uranus is transvestitating."

I said that's 'cause you've got Saturn in Aquarius and are not comfortable with the language so you don't believe in Astrology."
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mother earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 09:25 AM
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29. Kicking in the spirit of co-creation!
You rock, Stella!
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 09:30 AM
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30. So do you mother earth
and give my best to Gaia. Okay ?
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 09:32 AM
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31. "If it doesn't work for you..."
Either astrology is valid, or it's not. It can't be one or the other depending on the speaker.

I've noticed that people tend to use this kind of phrasing, "If it doesn't work for you, then that's fine with me," when they're asking us to believe things that aren't supported by evidence.

On another point, just because Newton was a great mathematician doesn't mean he couldn't have been wrong about other things.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 10:03 AM
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32. Effectiveness of various tools can be fairly subjective. . .ask a bunch of skilled craftspeople how
Edited on Fri Jan-19-07 10:06 AM by stellanoir
to repair or create something and you may be likely to get a varying assortment of recommendations.

Thanks for calling my attention to the fact that the link in which I explain why I don't wish to have this argument is apparently at least temporarily inactive.

So this is from last week's effort.

"Okay before I begin, and as some of you are aware, in the past I've posted about spiritual approaches to seemingly intractable political problems. Though the vast majority of responses have been amazingly and overwhelmingly positive, fun, and supportive, there have been a couple thought provoking nay sayers.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2589421

If you don't want to read all the astro stuff just scroll down to the ***

That's just fine with me, as I do enjoy a lively cyber discussion. As the founder of my
dinky little state, a man who supported religious tolerance when most states did not, so aptly put so long ago, "to hold forth a lively experiment, that a most flourishing civil State may stand and best be maintained, with a full liberty of religious concernments."

More from that wise one here :

http://thinkexist.com/quotes/roger_williams /

However, aside from an effort on the Solstice, I've rarely referenced astrology in GD. This is not intended to be a thread upon which to argue the merits of astrology. It is a soft science, an experiential art, and like any esoteric tool, is often made notorious for it's misuse by manipulators, hustlers, and fatalists, obscuring its true, though transcendable essence

My most successful clients over many years, have intuitively known when to buy, move,
sell, move, merge, and marry. I've only needed to say to them, "Yup you're right on the money again."

I would guess that natural gift of timing is a gift that fewer than five percent of the population truly possess. Most want everything yesterday and impatience may indeed be the quintessential not so "original sin." Helping people with the timing of events is fundamentally what astrology is all about.

Take it or leave it. Astrology either helps or confuses some and was never intended to be a convoluted rationalization for "b-b-b-a-a-a-d behaviors."

Yet perhaps, consider a momentary effort in a collective participation in "a lively (cyber) experiment" involving a fleeting focus of consciousness, for free, free, free and
maybe for the highest good of ALL might be worthy of consideration.

Disclaimer: any spiritual suggestions I put forth are only intended TO SUPPLEMENT more traditional forms of activism. Of course they are forevermore for entertainment purposes only. . . "

the rest is at this possibly fixed link. . .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=3111016




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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 10:45 AM
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33. Stella, you rock!
Thank you so much for this. Great thoughts.

My initial reaction: We are surging in consciousness, albeit in fits and starts because of the troglodytes who refuse to evolve gripping our ankles and trying to pull us back into the muck and mire of "terra", "evil Muslims", and all the other bullshit they've been heaving at us for years.

Is the world getting worse? No, the world is splitting. Some folks are choosing to muck about in the swamp. Others are choosing...well, not to.

Unfortunately the MSM only enjoys turning their cameras on the mudwrestling going on in the swamp. The spotlight is not on us. But we are having an effect. (They might tweak to the fact that they're on the "wrong side" when they see their ratings fall--she says, remembering her days in TV news, when ratings were ALL.)

As Matthew said in his latest message,

"Always there is reverberation from the high spirits of crowds welcoming a new year, and some of it remains via action on good intentions; but never before in Earth’s history has the energy of that annual occasion given such forceful momentum toward peace. Hearts and minds are filled with hope, with encouragement, that the time of peace is nearing, and the energy of those emotions sparkles magnificently. You can think of this graphically as the collective fireworks that briefly but spectacularly lit up the skies in a wave around your world as a global beacon guiding peace and spiritual enlightenment ashore. Your world is war-weary. Even those who are committed to the war that is blazoned on newspaper front pages and dominates newscasts are weary, but it comes from their ongoing failure to achieve the victory they had expected to come easily...."

http://www.matthewbooks.com/mm/anmviewer.asp?a=67&z=2

In other words, Oh BullShit W.

We're not buying what they're selling anymore. They keep banging on the door, however. How much longer do we have to ignore it before they give up and go away? I don't know the answer to that one!
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Chemical Bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 10:54 AM
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36. Waking cell...
not sleeper cell. I like that. :patriot: :applause: :loveya: :hi: :kick:
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Pathwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 12:55 PM
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44. Happy New Moon everybody!
Ooga Booga Smooga Wooga!
Thank you, Stellanoir for this very insightful thread!
:hi:
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 04:03 PM
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52. Okay
I had intended on including some MLK posts in the OP.

But the New Moon was approaching and I didn't manage to do so.

Just got some e-mailed to me from a fave aussie buddy . . .

How ironic is that?

"The time has come for America to hear the truth about this tragic war.
In international conflicts, the truth is hard to come by because most
nations are deceived about themselves. Rationalizations and the
incessant search for scapegoats are the psychological cataracts that
blind us to our sins. But the day has passed for superficial patriotism.
He who lives with untruth lives in spiritual slavery." - Rev. Dr. Martin
Luther King, Jr. (1929-1968), US civil rights leader.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article16183.htm

=
"The means by which we live have outdistanced the ends for which we
live. Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have
guided missiles and misguided men." - Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
(1929-1968), US civil rights leader

=
"He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating
with it" - Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. (1929-1968), US civil rights
leader

=
"In no sense do I advocate evading or defying the law ... That would
lead to anarchy. An individual who breaks a law that his conscience
tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of
imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its
injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for law."- Rev.
Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. (1929-1968), US civil rights leader



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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 05:35 PM
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53. Kick.
Ooga Booga Smooga Wooga!
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 08:08 PM
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54. Final kick
sorry this was so long winded but brevity is hardly my strong suit.

Thanks to all of the responders for having far more than the attention span of snails and reading the whole thing and the many responses given it's somewhat obtuse and esoteric content.

I'll try to be more brief next time. Famous last words. LOL

Have fun all and till next lunation "Ooga, Booga, Smooga, Wooga" and that is not at all a racial smear. It's a celebration.

:woohoo:
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 08:23 PM
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55. I couldn't find the post where someone thought it was?
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 09:54 AM
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59. They didn't say it specifically but it was sort of implied by the graphic
on post #38.

I'll lick this just to see if anyone responds and take a random survey here and perhaps start another thread with a poll later.

Is anyone else offended or put offat all by our silly and celebratory OBSW chant. . .?
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 09:54 AM
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60. dupe
Edited on Sat Jan-20-07 09:55 AM by stellanoir
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 09:54 AM
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61. dupe
Edited on Sat Jan-20-07 09:56 AM by stellanoir
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 09:54 AM
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62. dupe
Edited on Sat Jan-20-07 09:57 AM by stellanoir
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 09:54 AM
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63. dupe and the moral of all these dupes is to never post before imbibing
Edited on Sat Jan-20-07 09:58 AM by stellanoir
a morning beverage.
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