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socalover Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 12:24 AM
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"He's too green" or "He'll make a good VP"...
Does DU have a subconscious problem with race?

Why all the hate on Obama?
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 12:26 AM
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1. No hate here. He is my number 2 (after Gore). I'd love to see a former
Constitutional Law professor at the Article II helm.

And it would be a bonus to have an African-American President.
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 12:28 AM
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2. Not "hate". DUer's have their favorites.
It's not like any DUer's are claiming that Obama had multiple Vietnamese children out of wedlock.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 12:29 AM
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3. So, unless you want him at the top of the ticket this time around, you're a racist?
Edited on Wed Jan-17-07 12:30 AM by impeachdubya
Right. Just like everyone who doesn't want Hillary as the nominee is doing so out of misogyny.

Ridiculous. Obama's a good man, he's an excellent orator, he's got a bright future. We could do worse than have him as the nominee, but that said, he IS too green and he would make a better choice for the #2 slot.

I'd like to see Al Gore. Or Wes Clark. Those are my top two choices, Gore far and away. Obama is a few down the list, Hillary is WAY down.

I guess that means I "subconsciously" hate women and African Americans. :eyes:
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 05:49 AM
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20. Great point - and I like your top two choices as well.
I'm a woman and I don't much care for Hillary - mainly because I'm tired of the political dynasties. I'd like to see a woman as president, but it probably won't be her because of the years of demonization.

I also live in a red state and I have problems seeing how Hillary or Obama are going to win. My state, technically, is purple, and I think MIGHT have a chance to flip with the right candidate. Unfortunately, in today's political climate, I don't think a woman or a minority will flip it. It's sad, I know, but it's very true.

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KeepItReal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 12:29 AM
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4. You're the one making it racial. Obama hasn't done squat nationally.
Obama was in the Dem *minority* (meaning no real pull) when he first got to the Senate.

Let's see how he governs *now*.

Other than being in the U.S. Senate for 1 month with a Democratic majority, he's got no credentials on a national scale to impress a Southern Brotha like me.

Al Gore's my choice (even though he's not declared) in '08. He's been in the White House and has even done the Senate thing.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 12:35 AM
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6. Yeh, but chicks dig him.
:loveya:
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KeepItReal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 12:40 AM
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7. Yeah, I'd love to be his wingman. Think we could get lots of girls.
;-)
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 12:43 AM
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11. Obama groupies and roadies.
:rofl:
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 07:58 AM
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26. The psycho-in-chief was Governor of Texas for 6 years and left it in a mess, Cheney has been in
politics longer than most, Rumsfeld has been in politics longer than I care to remember. ENOUGH SAID. The new meme on Obama.."He doesn't have enough experience doesn't wash. You need to think of a better excuse to not want him as a candidate. EXPERIENCE means DIDDLY SQUAT.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 12:31 AM
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5. I haven't seen any HATE of Obama on DU. And I sure don't have any!
I still want to see how he responds on the campaign trail. He did VERY WELL in his election in his home State, but Presidential Politics is much more grueling, and he, as is every other candidate, going to have to deal with arrows from every side and angle. I want to see how each one reacts under fire, because there's sure going to be ongoing fire on anyone who gets in the White House!
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mentalsolstice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 12:41 AM
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8. Well, is he green with purple polka dots?
It could make for a bad impression for those who are hung-over before the SOTU or other major speeches...just sayin'!

Otherwise, whoever gives a sh*t about his skin color isn't with us.

That said...I have my concerns that he's peaking way too early...I really, really like Obama, but...

Hopefully, he'll come out of this with a VP nod or in the cabinet...which will set him for POTUS easily in 2016.

Be patient...
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 01:21 AM
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13. Unfortunately, candidates need to start much earlier these days.
The best staff people are already lining themselves up with announced candidates, and the primary season is stacked now near the beginning.
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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 12:42 AM
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9. I'm not racist. Its WAY too early to pick a leader....
I like Obama, alot.

I like Wes Clark, quite a bit.

I've been thru this before, all the way to state party caucus...

I could support, in NO particular order:

Sharpton, Kucinich, Edwards, Biden, or Hillary.

This is a PROCESS, not a horserace. There is no SINGLE winner.

I WANT to hear ALL the voices.

Peace.
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 12:42 AM
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10. Well, he actually is too green
Edited on Wed Jan-17-07 12:43 AM by Ignacio Upton
And so is Edwards. Race has nothing to do with it. Your post is inflammatory.
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 01:09 AM
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12. If he was white, yellow, red or purple, I'd say the same thing. n/t
n/t
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 01:27 AM
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14. I actually would have a problem with a purple president
Don't get me wrong, some of my best friends are secondary colors...
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 07:29 AM
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23. I can support a secondary colored president...
but keep those tertiary bastards away from me. Hell will freeze over before I vote for an aquamarine candidate!
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 01:39 AM
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15. How is a Desire for an Experienced Executive
a problem with race?
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 06:05 AM
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21. We have an "experienced executive" in the WH now.
We have the MBA president...the darling of the business world. Runnin' the nation and the world like a corporation. Sorry, I want a president who has a heart and soul and who is still close enough to the people to remember where he/she came from. Obama is capable of being great in that way.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 03:48 AM
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16. I'm not an Obama supporter, but there's no such thing as "too green" . . .
not with the myriad of environmental catastrophes facing this nation and the planet . . .
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 04:18 AM
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17. Youth And Wisdom Are Not Mutually Exclusive
Carry on...
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 04:23 AM
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18. Are you concerned and troubled? nt
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 05:34 AM
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19. I LOVE Obama. When I saw him speak at the Dem convention
I had chills up and down my spine and I knew that
he would be president one day.

But today our nation faces the greatest crisis of our times. We need the most seasoned person we can get.

His time will come. Be patient.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 07:36 AM
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25. Obama is a stunning and professional speaker, he does have
the potential of being President, this is his call. All the power to him.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 07:06 AM
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22. I'll assume you're not an actual Obama supporter.
Statements like this do nothing to promote him as a candidate.

To the contrary, if you pursue this ridiculous "you're a racist if you don't support Obama", you will drive people away.

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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 07:34 AM
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24. His lack of experience is a legitimate topic
Every candidate has their strengths and weakness. It is foolish to to treat certain candidates with kid gloves just because of their race.
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Balbus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 08:15 AM
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27. Well, I'm sure there are a few DUers who don't like Obama because
Edited on Wed Jan-17-07 08:16 AM by Balbus
he's black, just like there are a few DUers who don't like Hillary because she's an ambitious woman. But for the most part, DUers don't like Obama because his middle name is Hussein and they don't like Hillary because her husband got a blowjob from an intern in the presidential office.

So I think you're really out of line with your post...
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 08:18 AM
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28. I love Obama, but he was to yessy for me when he first took off.
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