Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Thank you Will. EXACTLY.

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU
 
Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 08:21 PM
Original message
Thank you Will. EXACTLY.
Edited on Sat Jan-13-07 08:37 PM by Dover
From your "Lion's mouth" thread:


A great line from the West Wing at a midterms rally: "It's a remarkable thing in America that we can have a revolution every two years."

Those bi-annual revolutions in the House, along with the ones we have every four years for the Oval and every six for the Senate, are one of our greatest strengths...at least on paper. Keep the new blood flowing while maintaining institutional memory, install accountability into the system, etc.

The flaw, of course, is that the truly powerful ones you refer to aren't elected, are able to buy and sell those who are elected, and tend to exist beyond any accountability. Theirs is a generational affair, a command and control position that truly grew roots with the railroad barons, the oil industrialists and all the folks who get the government contracts in times of war.

Every once in a while they get pushed back a bit - the breaking of Standard Oil is one example - but by and large they have remained, and grown in power, and insulated themselves from any kind of accountability.

They are the new aristocracy, the 1% of the 1%, and I don't think they give a wet damn who is President. Can you name for me a President that hasn't made sure to take care of them? Especially since the end of WWII? I can't. The ones who might have caused a power shift were either shot or discredited and checkmated.

Imagine yourself as that 1% of the 1%. You backed Bush, and now he is teetering. So what? That Clinton surplus is in your bank account thanks to the tax cuts, your oil-and-weapons stock portfolio is bursting with profits, and all this mayhem serves only to make sure that oil and weapons won't become unprofitable anytime soon...which means, in short, that your relatively meager investment into Bush has paid massive dividends.

Presidents and politicians, for these people, are window-dressing. They come and go. Money is forever, as is the power that comes with it. If Bush goes down, that 1% of the 1% won't bat an eye. They've already invested in ten possible replacements, and their great-grandfathers wired the system itself to serve them in any case. It's Madisonian democracy on steroids and behind a thick curtain.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
______________________________________


So let's stop pretending that we have a functional, representative government. The corruption is deep and wide. Why beat our heads against a stage set white house wall or their puppets? Why not seek out the big fish where they live? Why not refuse to be their servants through organized resistance (like national or even global extended strikes), etc.?
My math ain't that good but let's see......1% of 1% vs. 99.9999999999999999999999%.
Seems like good odds to me!

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 08:33 PM
Response to Original message
1. link to the thread?
I'd hate to miss one of Will's master works.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 08:37 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. Good idea. I added it to the OP...n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 08:57 PM
Response to Original message
3. kick
This should make for good debate!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 09:04 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. Thanks. Please feel free to begin that discussion/debate.
No bystanding...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 09:42 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. I thought that your post stated anything/everything that needed to
be said, I wasn't trying to be a bystander. Money, power and greed are the driving forces in American foreign policy, IMO, and until enough citizens wake up and figure it out it won't change. :hi:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 09:45 PM
Response to Reply #5
6. The silence is deafening, isn't it?....n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 09:54 PM
Response to Original message
7. Full agreement
We will just replace this asshole with the next asshole until we wake up and realize the system is gamed to work for the best interests of a very few.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 11:18 PM
Response to Reply #7
9. I guess everyone is in agreement....
So how do we begin to model new ways of being active within and dealing with our current 'situation'? People seem to be stuck in the old model and can't break out.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 01:21 AM
Response to Reply #9
10. Tough question
Of course it's tough, too - we haven't been able to fix the system yet.

We need to remodel what it means to be successful, and also we need to reevaluate gender roles. People are too easily trapped in the rat race, and they never even notice sometimes that they are. Add to that the idea we still carryover from1950's TV about 'manliness' and we have a lot of the population playing a game they don't know is rigged against them, and they won't allow themselves to quit. That is a long term change we need to make.

In the short term, we need the Fairness Doctrine back, we need to drop the idea that all sides should be given automatic equal credence (not time, of course - all sides need to have equal time for their views), and most importantly we need to rein in multinational corporations.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 10:16 PM
Response to Original message
8. A comment

The earth is not dying. It is being killed, and the people killing it have names and addresses. --Utah Phillips




Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri Aug 29th 2014, 12:30 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC