No global warming? Fine with me. I'll take 1 of the warmest Jan.....EVER

[Roland99]

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/lmk/php/print_localdata.php?loc=f6&data=lmk/lmk_200601.txt


Notice that 5th column? Departure from normal (on the high) is what that is. Only 2 days all of last month had a high below normal and each of those days were only 1 degree below. Most days were double-digits over the normal high.

[BushOut06]

1. Global warming could be a good thing

Hey, maybe otherwise frigid places like northern Canada and Siberia could become more temperate. So what if Florida and the Gulf Coast get battered by more and more vicious hurricanes? Why do you liberals always have to look on the negative side of things? :sarcasm:

[CHIMO]

3. Forget It

Our igloos aren't melting yet.

But when the sea level rises and the North Atlntic freezes over you may wnt to learn how to build an igloo.

PS. Can you just see all those igloos in a desert.

[BushOut06]

5. serious question - would the cooling factor counterbalance the warming?

I'm familiar with the models that show the rising sea levels affecting the Gulf Stream, basically putting Europe into a deep freeze. If something like that were to happen, and other areas of the globe began freezing over as well, would that counteract the overall warming trend? I've seen some theories that suggest global warming could actually introduce a new Ice Age. It's all rather confusing.

[SoCalDem]

9. Wild critters' livelihoods are hanging by a thread already

the slightest deviation in temperature can wipe out whole species at a time.. They have no supermarkets..when the vegetation they rely on does not bloom/grow at the precise time they need it, their young die or they do not fatten up in time for winter..ice floes greak apart too soon and strand polar bears at sea..


just some minor stuff like that:cry:

[babylonsister]

2. I'm really scared about this; this summer is going to be

brutal hurricane- and heat-wise. And we know how competent this admin is to deal with the aftermath. :eyes:

[rurallib]

4. Warmest January ever in Iowa AND

heard there is a La Nina brewing. The news said that usually brings more frequent and severe hurricanes to the gulf and south. How many more frequent and severe can they get?

[hatrack]

13. Warmest January ever in Minnesota, KC, Winnipeg, Dallas . . .

42 straight days in Milwaukee with high temps above 30F.

[tocqueville]

6. it has more to do with the north atlantic oscillation (NAO)

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/seasonal/regional/nao/index.html

this year the winter is extremely cold in Europe. It is normally compensated by a warmer winter in the US/Canada

[in_cog_ni_to]

7. I would rather be right about Global Warming and find out I was wrong

than to be wrong and find out later that we were RIGHT....then it's too late! Don't they see the ramifications of their bullshit policies? They and their children also have to breath the air and drink the water or live with the results of a destroyed planet. Why don't they get it?

[babylonsister]

8. "They" don't see the ramifications of anything AFAIK. nt

[Silverhair]

10. Sorry, but the reason for it is the path of the jet stream.

Europe has had a bitterly cold January. Has nothing to do with global warming.

[Roland99]

11. And the jet stream is not affected by the rising global temps?

[Silverhair]

12. What you are seeing is a normal fluctuation.

First: Before you get angry - GLOBAL WARMING IS REAL. OK? So please don't think that I am saying that the earth is flat.

However, global warming is extremely gradual, and the events that you are seeing are well within normal weather fluctuations. Also, remember that modern record keeping started at about the end of "The Little Ice Age", a period of cooler temperatures from the late middle ages until about 1850. So it is to be expected that we will be experiencing warmer temps.

We now know that 1,000 CE (Some still use A.D.) was warmer by a few degrees than now.

Also, back in December, there was one day when we set a new record low in my town, by about 6 degrees.

The jet stream meanders, and you can't read a long term pattern from a one month swing.

[Roland99]

16. I realize that this is a fluctuation (perhaps a La Nina)

but the longer-term patterns are clear. Global warming is VERY real and it's from more than just hydrocarbons in the air. It's from cities expanding and the concrete and asphalt retaining more and more heat (I read a few years ago that Phoenix's average temps have risen almost 10F in the last 40 years or so). Stands of large trees south of San Diego are dying out over the last decade. Glacier National Park is just about out of glaciers.

The earth wobbles and weaves along its path around the sun but humans have sped up what is normally a very gradual process.

[Silverhair]

17. Yes, indeed, VERY real.

And indeed humans are speeding it up, with several factors.

In fact, I recently read the some climatologists, (Sorry, I can't give a link on this, so I don't know how accurate it is.) think that the Sahara desert was once arid, but grassy plains. But humans overgrazed it with cattle, sheep & goats so that the grass no longer held the rain in the soil, the dry ground heated up the air, less rain fell, the cycle continued, and today we have a vast desert that rarely/never gets rain.

The problem is figuring out what is due to our interference and what is natural, and what we should do.

We definately need to get away from burning fossil carbon, and begin reducing the global population.

If we don't, sooner or later, nature will solve that problem for us.

[NickB79]

18. Global warming could cool Europe

If the influx of fresh water from the Arctic shut down the Gulf stream that delivers warm water to Europe from the tropics.

Of course, what I've read of this winter's cold snap is that it's a cold air mass moving east to west from Siberia, rather than originating in Western Europe. One could probably argue that a cooler Gulf stream made it easier for the cold air of Siberia to push into Europe, as there was less resistance from a similar warm air mass, but that's stretching it a bit.

[seabeyond]

14. it is crazy here. bulbs are out, bushes are flowering.

we have been sittin at hig 60's low 70's all winter and fall long. this has been the most amazing winter here i have ever seen.

a few cold days here, literally last a day, two most and then back up. NO snow. hardly any water.

we had snow dumps clear to april last year. but that was odd because we stayed warm....... then a huge dump of snow. then would go back up. but up was like 50's

then to top it off. btw my window is opened as i sit and chat. listening to the birds, lol. gas bill. keeps going up by 50 each month, lol and already ov er 300.... amazing. alst year i had the gas fire place on all day, trying to warm this house. this year i never turn it on. and turn heat off often.

[dogday]

15. It has been in the 70's in Houston, Texas every single day

It has rarely turned cold here this winter, I don't think we have gotten below freezing at all this year...